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Lance Storm talks about Lesnar v Cena
really good view of the current angle from his blog:
http://www.stormwrestling.com/043012.html
Booking Brock Lesnar
April 30, 2012
I teased this commentary on twitter earlier today, saying something to the effect that this commentary was to show that most of the people bitching that WWE killed Brock Lesnar by having John Cena beat him at the Extreme Rules PPV last night are narrow minded. Upon posting that I of course was inundated with people saying how they agree with me completely that they thought beating Brock Lesnar made total sense and was absolutely the right move.
These two extreme views (pun intended) are really what inspired this commentary. I've been in the wrestling business for more than 20 years now and if there is one thing I've learned is that there are almost no absolutes. Almost no decision is absolutely 100% clear cut and even bad decisions are almost never uncorrectable. It is with that thinking that I take exception to all of those who freaked out saying that "WWE killed Brock Lesnar with the loss last night, and effectively flushed the whole angle down the toilet." There is more than one ways to skin a cat and I'm going to present what I would do Booking Brock Lesnar from this point forward and present a case on why Cena winning last night was not the worst decision ever made.
With all that said let me be clear, if it were up to me I would not have beat Brock Lesnar last night; I am just presenting an argument on why WWE may have decided to do so and offering what my booking strategy would be moving forward.
For those that argue that a loss in his first match is a burial and kills Brock as a PPV draw I would like to point out Brock Lesnar's UFC run and what happened there. Brock was one of, if not the biggest PPV draws in UFC history. UFC brought Brock Lesnar into the real world of MMA from the (I hate to use this word but it illustrates my point) fake world of Pro Wrestling. If there was ever a case where a guy needing credibility right out of the gate this was it and what happened in Brock's first UFC fight? Not only did he get beat, he tapped out in 90 seconds. Did this kill Brock Lesnar? Was Brock Lesnar dead as a PPV draw? Of course he wasn't, he came back, dominated, won the UFC Heavyweight Title, and drew a ton of money for UFC, and he could still do that for WWE if booked correctly moving forward.
Now certainly the argument can be made that Brock would have been an even bigger draw in UFC had he not lost that first fight, but I'm not 100% sure of that, because the Mir rematch was a gargantuan money maker, and more to the point I'm not arguing that beating Brock was the best choice just not necessarily the worst won either.
Now let's look at some of the up sides to beating Brock at Extreme Rules. Brock Lesnar is a guy that does not love pro wrestling and in his last run in WWE he beat almost every big Star in the company and then quit. While he did do a job on the way out the program he was in on his way out was with Bill Goldberg who unfortunately was also leaving the company. So Brock essentially beat the entire WWE roster and the only guy who managed to beat him wasn't sticking around either. That has to be at least a small concern when moving forward with Lesnar now. Is it safe to book him undefeated for a long stretch? In a perfect word yes, because it will mean more when he eventually loses, but Pro-Wrestling is seldom if ever a perfect world. I've even heard arguments that he should go undefeated all the way to WrestleMania for the ultimate show down with either Rock or Undertaker. While again that sounds great on paper there are two concerns. 1: Will he make it to WrestleMania without, getting hurt, becoming ill again, or quitting? And 2: Do you want him beating your entire roster for a year to eventually get beat by a guy who much like at Mania XX with Goldberg, isn't sticking around after that match?
With all that in mind, I can understand why WWE might want to hedge their bets a little and get a win on the books over Brock for one of their tops stars, and once you've made that decision doing it first is not only the safest way but also gives you the most amount of time before WrestleMania to build him back up. He can now go on an 11 month winning streak to build to WrestleMania if they want and if anything goes wrong along the way and Lesnar leaves they have the footage of John Cena pinning Brock that they can air time and time again. With that out of the way let's look at the booking possibilities going forward because there are some amazing parallels that can be drawn.
Exactly like his UFC career Brock lost his first match in to a former Heavyweight Champion in a match he looked very strong and dominant in. After that match many critics said he was done and the Mir loss exposed him. Tonight on RAW you could have Johnny Ace cut a promo on Lesnar saying that he didn't pay him all this money and give in to all of his contract demands to have him lose to John Cena. In response Lesnar could point out that it was a lucky punch with a steel chain wrapped around it and he could fight Cena 1000 times and he'd beat him 999 of them; last night was that one fluke. Johnny could then challenge Lesnar to prove he's everything he claims to be and book him against a strong top level guy, on the June PPV in a "Must Win" type match for Lesnar.
Again this mirrors his UFC career in that his second fight was against the fairly strong MMA veteran Heath Herring in a match many people viewed as a "Must Win" fight for Lesnar speculating that UFC would cut their losses and release him should he lose the Herring fight. Brock went on to dominate Herring in a completely one sided affair. This is how I would book Lesnar in WWE. Book him in a match on the June PPV with a long standing veteran of WWE, perhaps The Big Show and have Brock completely dominate and destroy him in his next fight.
From here I would book Lesnar in a WWE Title match at the July PPV. This again would mimic Brock's UFC run because his third UFC fight was against Randy Couture for the UFC Heavyweight Title. If you wanted to protect CM Punk you could always hold a draft before then and switch the WWE and World Titles from RAW and SmackDown and have Brock beat Sheamus for the World Heavyweight Title instead. In his post match victory celebration Brock freaks out and goes all nutty screaming at the crowd and anyone who will listen, "Can You See Me Now...Can You See Me Now"? This is of course the same line he used in UFC and also sets up the Summer Slam rematch with Mr. "You Can't See Me" John Cena.
This moves us into August and the big Summer Slam rematch with John Cena, the former champion who beat him in his WWE return debut. Once again mimicking his UFC run, where he faced Frank Mir at UFC 100 in the much anticipated rematch. While I would not expect Summer Slam to set an all time record like Lesnar vs. Mir II did, I contend it could be a very strong Main Event draw. In the rematch Brock Lesnar gets his win back in dominant fashion and retains the WWE or World Title and can cut the promo: "John Cena had a horseshoe up his ass, I told you people that 4 months ago, well I pulled that son of a bitch out and beat him over the head with it...WOOOOO"
From here WWE can do what they want. Brock is over very strong, and you have 7 months to build him to WrestleMania, to face either The Undertaker or The Rock or even the rubber match with Cena if you like.
Again in closing I am not saying this is a better approach than keeping him undefeated, or the best way to do things moving forward, just illustrating that there are options and anyone who thinks beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is only one way to do something, really doesn't know what they are talking about.
Lance Storm
http://www.stormwrestling.com/043012.html
Re: Lance Storm talks about Lesnar v Cena
Not sure what the guys point is as a former MMA heavy weight champ beating a former pro wrestler isn't a surprise. A former pro wrestling champ beating a former UFC heavyweight champion in an anything goes match is not believable to anyone in any shape or form.
I thought it was a great, great match (best I've seen cena in) but don't get how they can salvage it for Brock now.
Raw will be interesting tonight.
I thought it was a great, great match (best I've seen cena in) but don't get how they can salvage it for Brock now.
Raw will be interesting tonight.
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Brock is obviously salvagable, anyone who says any different is being melodramatic, not sure I would follow the path that Storm suggested as that seems to suggest making Brock a sympathetic character, I don't think Brock should be sympathetic, he should be the war machine and more importantly he should be heel, Brock's heel character when he came in was awesome, the guy has to be a heel, they say the best characters are in wrestling are close to the bone of the guy that plays them, and the simple fact is Lesnar dosn't give two sugars about WWE, this is where an undefeated character would have helped him, people want to hate a man who dosn't care about WWE the way they do, and it would have ramped up the heat if there was nothing anyone can do about it
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Dr Gregory House MD wrote:Brock is obviously salvagable, anyone who says any different is being melodramatic, not sure I would follow the path that Storm suggested as that seems to suggest making Brock a sympathetic character, I don't think Brock should be sympathetic, he should be the war machine and more importantly he should be heel, Brock's heel character when he came in was awesome, the guy has to be a heel, they say the best characters are in wrestling are close to the bone of the guy that plays them, and the simple fact is Lesnar dosn't give two sugars about WWE, this is where an undefeated character would have helped him, people want to hate a man who dosn't care about WWE the way they do, and it would have ramped up the heat if there was nothing anyone can do about it
I am not sure how they are going to sell Brock as a competitor when he lost in a match with a stipuation that suited him and will have to wrestle under standard wrestling rules for the rest of his contract.
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Ent wrote:Dr Gregory House MD wrote:Brock is obviously salvagable, anyone who says any different is being melodramatic, not sure I would follow the path that Storm suggested as that seems to suggest making Brock a sympathetic character, I don't think Brock should be sympathetic, he should be the war machine and more importantly he should be heel, Brock's heel character when he came in was awesome, the guy has to be a heel, they say the best characters are in wrestling are close to the bone of the guy that plays them, and the simple fact is Lesnar dosn't give two sugars about WWE, this is where an undefeated character would have helped him, people want to hate a man who dosn't care about WWE the way they do, and it would have ramped up the heat if there was nothing anyone can do about it
I am not sure how they are going to sell Brock as a competitor when he lost in a match with a stipuation that suited him and will have to wrestle under standard wrestling rules for the rest of his contract.
Simple really, have him claim he lost to a fluke shot, dominate and win his next match, it's not ideal but it would work
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Did brock even break any rules last night (excluding taking out a ref) i mean even use a weapon? he had the chain and decided not to use it and even when he picked it up the second time, he didnt use it offensively. imo the wrong man got the result last night. but brock didnt look weak, far from it. despite the fact he lost to cena's only bit of offence. He tore cena to pieces
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I think the WWE were damned if they did and damned if they didn't by booking Brock v Cena in his first PPV back. If Brock won it would have made Cena and by implication the current generation of WWE superstars look bad, especially as Cena lost at the beginning of the month to the Rock who's not even on the roster full time. Then again Cena beating Brock had the potential to undo the impact of Brock's return and create problems for Brock's road to the WWE title. It was a no win situation in many respects. I am actually surprised WWE chose to book them together like this so quickly.
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talkingpoint wrote:I think the WWE were damned if they did and damned if they didn't by booking Brock v Cena in his first PPV back. If Brock won it would have made Cena and by implication the current generation of WWE superstars look bad, especially as Cena lost at the beginning of the month to the Rock who's not even on the roster full time. Then again Cena beating Brock had the potential to undo the impact of Brock's return and create problems for Brock's road to the WWE title. It was a no win situation in many respects. I am actually surprised WWE chose to book them together like this so quickly.
Agreed, short term thinking.
I know we shouldn't complain after having 2 great PPVs in a row but it is so close to being excellent again.
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Shush that now. We can't have the IWC being happy with the product. If the IWC was happy then what would the IWC do all day.
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Zoot - Trevor Swann 6WF wrote:Shush that now. We can't have the IWC being happy with the product. If the IWC was happy then what would the IWC do all day.
Touch ourselves?
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As long as there is TNA, the IWC will always have something to moan about.
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There's always Hornswoggle & Khali I guess....
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Adam D wrote:As long as there is TNA, the IWC will always have something to moan about.
Correct.
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