Are Leinster the only team in the world, that could conquer the mighty New Zealand?

by Big Mac Michael Sat 12 May 2012, 12:24 pm

Looking at Ireland this Six nations, I can't help put wonder, it isn't a question whether New Zealand will win, but just by how much.The tactics Kidney employs are outdated and extremely predictable.
However, looking at Leinster in both Hc and the Rabo, I firmly believe they are the only team that, have the pace,skill and dept to do the impossible and win 2 out of the 3 tests down under.

by geoff999rugby Sat 12 May 2012, 12:24 pm

rubbish

by nathan Sat 12 May 2012, 12:38 pm

You do realise that NZ are a bit of a better team than any Rabo/HC team?

nice first post! lol

by maestegmafia Sat 12 May 2012, 12:41 pm

Lets see if Leinster can beat their Rabbo rivals Ulster, Glasgow and the Ospreys before their dreams of the ABs come to fruition.

Was this thread created because Leinster are actually playing the ABs in the future? or is it purely hypothetical?

by **Notch** Sat 12 May 2012, 12:43 pm

Spoiler:

by Mickado Sat 12 May 2012, 12:47 pm

Cease and desist.

by Comfort Sat 12 May 2012, 12:53 pm

Notch wrote:
Spoiler:

by Morgannwg Sat 12 May 2012, 12:54 pm

Very delusional. But there were other Leinster posters to consider this. I wonder if you are even a Leinster fan though Big Mac.

by aucklandlaurie Sat 12 May 2012, 12:57 pm

Being a New Zealander I thank my lucky stars that Leinster werent allowed to play in the World Cup. in fact leinster probably would have won the last three or four World Cups.

by maestegmafia Sat 12 May 2012, 12:57 pm

Hmmm...! always suspicious when a posters first posts are ones making outlandish claims.

Well spotted Morg...!

MODs take note, there are far to many glove puppet accounts on this forum.

by **rodders** Sat 12 May 2012, 12:58 pm

No I think Ulster are the only team in the world who can beat the ABs...... Cool

by hugo124 Sat 12 May 2012, 12:59 pm

Leinster would win the six nations not breaking a sweat, considering Wales are just a team of big men with no rugby brains.However winning a tour in New Zealand is a bit far fetched, not impossible though.

by Thomond Sat 12 May 2012, 1:00 pm

rodders wrote:No I think Ulster are the only team in the world who can beat the ABs......

So you're saying South Africa would beat the All Blacks?

by **rodders** Sat 12 May 2012, 1:01 pm

Thomond wrote:
rodders wrote:No I think Ulster are the only team in the world who can beat the ABs......

So you're saying South Africa would beat the All Blacks?

by nganboy Tue 15 May 2012, 1:38 am

History suggests that SA have a fair chance and Aus too.

by Gibson Tue 15 May 2012, 2:04 am

hugo124 wrote:Leinster would win the six nations not breaking a sweat, considering Wales are just a team of big men with no rugby brains.However winning a tour in New Zealand is a bit far fetched, not impossible though.

+1

Best to be honest in these cases.

by **Biltong** Tue 15 May 2012, 7:22 am

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by munkian Tue 15 May 2012, 8:12 am

They scraped past Glasgow Shocked

by Big Mac Michael Tue 15 May 2012, 9:13 am

munkian wrote:They scraped past Glasgow

Yea that's just part of their plan.They want to give Ulster a false sense of security' so they can pounce when the time is right.A great man once said "It's the Devin Toner show" and if Leinter can make him look like a good player then they can do anything! vomit

by GunsGerms Tue 15 May 2012, 9:17 am

Of the NH club/provincial teams I think Toulouse, Clermont and Leinster are the only teams that would have a hope of an upset v NZ. Leinster never get to play NZ for some reason though so we will probably not find out for a long time.

by **Biltong** Tue 15 May 2012, 9:19 am

Big Mac Michael wrote:
munkian wrote:They scraped past Glasgow
Yea that's just part of their plan.They want to give Ulster a false sense of security' so they can pounce when the time is right.A great man once said "It's the Devin Toner show" and if Leinter can make him look like a good player then they can do anything!

Big Mac, less is often more my friend.

by Big Mac Michael Tue 15 May 2012, 9:44 am

leinsterbaby wrote:Of the NH club/provincial teams I think Toulouse, Clermont and Leinster are the only teams that would have a hope of an upset v NZ. Leinster never get to play NZ for some reason though so we will probably not find out for a long time.

I don't think Toulouse are the great team they once were!Their core group of players are in their 30's.
Clermont are a powerful outfit at home, however away poor teams such as Ulster have defeated them!
Leinster have the full package!1 to 15

by Brendan Tue 15 May 2012, 9:47 am

Jennings is a prime example of why leinster would be poor against NZ or any national team.

He looks great in the Rabo or HC but has never cut it at international.

Cullen has never seemed as good at national as he does for leinster.

Darcy is a donkey internationally but seems ok for leinster

That is why Leinster wouldn't do well at all.

They would give a midweek team a good go as do most top clubs and regions do

by geoff998rugby Tue 15 May 2012, 9:47 am

Big Mac Michael wrote:
leinsterbaby wrote:Of the NH club/provincial teams I think Toulouse, Clermont and Leinster are the only teams that would have a hope of an upset v NZ. Leinster never get to play NZ for some reason though so we will probably not find out for a long time.

I don't think Toulouse are the great team they once were!Their core group of players are in their 30's.
Clermont are a powerful outfit at home, however away poor teams such as Ulster have defeated them!

Leinster have the full package!1 to 15

On your bike you langer boxing

by Big Mac Michael Tue 15 May 2012, 9:50 am

Just stating the facts, take it like a man. vomit

by geoff998rugby Tue 15 May 2012, 9:57 am

HC finalist -says more than your facts.

You clearly dont understand the meaning of the word facts. It requires empirical evidence to be evaluated against the alternatives before coming to a conclusion

I hope your stay here is a short one

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 15 May 2012, 10:01 am

geoff998rugby wrote:HC finalist -says more than your facts.

I hope your stay here is a short one

Don't bite too hard Geoff Wink

Leinster aren't a bad side. They'd probably make the Super XV playoffs, but not the final. And I'd back them to win one in a 3-match series vs the Crusaders or Stormers (I've said before I'd have 6 or 7 Leinstermen in a composite Crusaders-Leinster side

by GunsGerms Tue 15 May 2012, 10:06 am

Brendan wrote:Jennings is a prime example of why leinster would be poor against NZ or any national team.

He looks great in the Rabo or HC but has never cut it at international.

Cullen has never seemed as good at national as he does for leinster.

Darcy is a donkey internationally but seems ok for leinster

That is why Leinster wouldn't do well at all.

They would give a midweek team a good go as do most top clubs and regions do

Jennings would probably only play half a match. Cullen is good enough. Darcy at international level suffers from the Irish managements lack of creativity, tactics, invention. We have no backs moves and therefore are probably the most predictable back line in world rugby. You can only do what your manager asks of you.

Leinster probably aren't as good as the Crusaiders but I reckon they are better than the reds who won last year so you never know.

by Brendan Tue 15 May 2012, 10:08 am

Big Mac the promblem is that Leinster would stuggle in the lineout without Thorn (as his contract would be up) and you would loose his power.

If you were going for just an Irish leinster you would not have the best bench.

Is Cullen better then O'connell, is any team less Ferris stronger, is or isn't Best the best hooker.

Ireland should be more adventurous it is true but 1-22 with few (if any) exceptions Nz are beter man for man let alone Leinster

by Brendan Tue 15 May 2012, 10:10 am

leinsterbaby wrote:
Brendan wrote:Jennings is a prime example of why leinster would be poor against NZ or any national team.

He looks great in the Rabo or HC but has never cut it at international.

Cullen has never seemed as good at national as he does for leinster.

Darcy is a donkey internationally but seems ok for leinster

That is why Leinster wouldn't do well at all.

They would give a midweek team a good go as do most top clubs and regions do

Darcy at international level suffers from the Irish managements lack of creativity, tactics, invention. We have no backs moves and therefore are probably the most predictable back line in world rugby. You can only do what your manager asks of you.

To be fair it is not the manger's fault that he knocks on and is just rubbish at the basics, in that case 1-15 they would all be dropping balls and all the other things we slated him over for the last 2 years

by GunsGerms Tue 15 May 2012, 10:23 am

He isn't rubbish at the basics at all. The way Ireland's backs play they are always under pressure because they are completely predictable. This is completely the managers fault. Have you ever asked yourself why Darcy knocks the ball on? Look at some footage it's usually as he is about to get smashed, defenses put the Irish backs under so much pressure because for Ireland there is no imagination it is quite easy to defend against us.

by Big Mac Michael Tue 15 May 2012, 10:34 am

geoff998rugby wrote:HC finalist -says more than your facts.

You clearly dont understand the meaning of the word facts. It requires empirical evidence to be evaluated against the alternatives before coming to a conclusion

I hope your stay here is a short one

Lets take a look at their journey that has made them HC finalists, shall we?
Ulster beat Clermont through poor tackling, that even d'arcy could break through.
They loose to Leicester 20-9 away, although missing a couple of key players.
They beat Aironi home and away "wow!!!!!"
They beat a Leicster missing Flood and with a BEN YOUNGS WHO SEEMED LIKE HE WAS PLAYING FOR ULSTER.
They lost to Clermont away, with some bizzare illegal stupid line outs from Rory and the lads.
They beat a Munster side who are pretending they have some good young players:(
Should have lost to Edingburgh however they unfortunately for them, forgot how to catch the strangely shaped ball.(so unlucky)
Got to the final, but were brought back to earth, when Leinster put 40 points on them!

by BoyneRFC Tue 15 May 2012, 10:39 am

I would love to see Leinster v the All Blacks. We would have a good chance of beating them. Why not? In fact, I'd have us favorites over ANY team, at home.

As for the Super 15 champs, I disagree with Kiwi (obviously, cant blame him pluming for his own) and I'd say we would beat the crusaders.

Oh and my Dad is bigger than your dad blah blah blah.

Truth is, until two sides line out beside each other, you have no idea how if will pan out.

Oh and "Brendan"... back in your box there with your insults. Focus on your own bunch of langers down there in Munster and pray "The Brave and the Faithful" find it in their hearts to support their team next year, now they are mid-table team at best.

thumbsup

by GunsGerms Tue 15 May 2012, 10:42 am

I think ulster might do a number on Leinster if I'm honest. I predicted ulster to make the final before the start of the tournament. They are a much better side than you give them credit for. I see very few weaknesses. Possibly at outhalf and perhaps a little inexperience at this lofty stage. However, they have a ridiculously good pack. Their back row is very capable. Touhy and Muller are excellent lineout operators and the front row is very decent with Afoa and Best possibly better than their opposite numbers.

Leinster may be the bookies favourites but this will be a real challenge for Leinster if you ask me.

by BoyneRFC Tue 15 May 2012, 10:42 am

Big Mac Michael wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:HC finalist -says more than your facts.

You clearly dont understand the meaning of the word facts. It requires empirical evidence to be evaluated against the alternatives before coming to a conclusion

I hope your stay here is a short one

Lets take a look at their journey that has made them HC finalists, shall we?
Ulster beat Clermont through poor tackling, that even d'arcy could break through.
They loose to Leicester 20-9 away, although missing a couple of key players.
They beat Aironi home and away "wow!!!!!"
They beat a Leicster missing Flood and with a BEN YOUNGS WHO SEEMED LIKE HE WAS PLAYING FOR ULSTER.
They lost to Clermont away, with some bizzare illegal stupid line outs from Rory and the lads.
They beat a Munster side who are pretending they have some good young players:(
Should have lost to Edingburgh however they unfortunately for them, forgot how to catch the strangely shaped ball.(so unlucky)
Got to the final, but were brought back to earth, when Leinster put 40 points on them!

Ulster 100% deserve their spot in the final this year. They are one of the 2 best teams in Europe. Which one, we will find out at the weekend. I for one am nervous.

Oh and it's obvious you support Munster. Doh

by **Biltong** Tue 15 May 2012, 10:53 am

How many Irish internationals in Leinster?

How many all Blacks in the Crusaders?

How many Wallabies in the Reds team?

How many Springboks in the Bulls team?

How many Springboks in the Stormers team?

How many All Blacks in the Chiefs team?

How many all Blacks in the Hurricanes team?

I would suggest Leinster need to beat those teams first before concenring themselves with beating the all Blacks.

by Mickado Tue 15 May 2012, 10:53 am

I must insist that you desist.

by geoff998rugby Tue 15 May 2012, 10:55 am

If you think that a route to the final that required them to get out of a group with one of the top 2 French sides and one of the top 2 English sides plus winning a HC knock out match at Thormond Park (something no ome else has ever done) does not show quality there is no hope for you

Last time Ulster played Leinster the score was 16-8 with Leinster playing more 1st XV player than Ulster. Unless you are referring to the earlier 42-13 match between Leinster 1st XV and Ulster kids - so what.

Your twisted analysis of our route to the final is quite frankly silly.
You are making yourself look stupid - you really should stop.

There are a number of good WUM's here who add to the enjoyment.
All you are doing is making silly claims and twisting facts. Its rude, its boring and not up to the standard of contributions to this board !

Either improve your game or move on

by GunsGerms Tue 15 May 2012, 11:03 am

biltongbek wrote:How many Irish internationals in Leinster?

How many all Blacks in the Crusaders?

How many Wallabies in the Reds team?

How many Springboks in the Bulls team?

How many Springboks in the Stormers team?

How many All Blacks in the Chiefs team?

How many all Blacks in the Hurricanes team?

I would suggest Leinster need to beat those teams first before concenring themselves with beating the all Blacks.

Reds that won the super 14 didn't have that many wallabies really at all. Cooper, Ioane, Horwell, Samo and Genia. Plus even Ireland can beat Australia. I'm pretty confident Leinster would beat the Reds to be honest. Not sure about the Crusaiders but they would be close v the stormers and chiefs and would probably beat the bulls and hurricanes.

by Big Mac Michael Tue 15 May 2012, 11:06 am

geoff998rugby wrote:If you think that a route to the final that required them to get out of a group with one of the top 2 French sides and one of the top 2 English sides plus winning a HC knock out match at Thormond Park (something no ome else has ever done) does not show quality there is no hope for you

Last time Ulster played Leinster the score was 16-8 with Leinster playing more 1st XV player than Ulster. Unless you are referring to the earlier 42-13 match between Leinster 1st XV and Ulster kids - so what.

Your twisted analysis of our route to the final is quite frankly silly.
You are making yourself look stupid - you really should stop.

There are a number of good WUM's here who add to the enjoyment.
All you are doing is making silly claims and twisting facts. Its rude, its boring and not up to the standard of contributions to this board !
Either improve your game or move on

Your outhalf is a kid, Cave and Wallace couldn't get through a gap if they were playing against a sieve, Trimble acts like a headless chicken, Gilroy has potential(not up to it yet) and Terblanche is old and fragile, with the pace of a second rower.
vomit

by **rodders** Tue 15 May 2012, 11:07 am

BoyneRFC wrote:Ulster 100% deserve their spot in the final this year. They are one of the 2 best teams in Europe. Which one, we will find out at the weekend. I for one am nervous.

Very generous and sporting there Boyne

....I hope we can give you guys a good game and with a bit off luck, well who knows.... zen

by geoff998rugby Tue 15 May 2012, 11:09 am

Big Mac you are a total plonker - give it a rest

by Rory_Gallagher Tue 15 May 2012, 11:11 am

I can't believe someone has the time to post this crap.

by Big Mac Michael Tue 15 May 2012, 11:12 am

geoff998rugby wrote:Big Mac you are a total plonker - give it a rest

Just stating the facts, I guess you can't take it, how unfortunate!
vomit

by geoff998rugby Tue 15 May 2012, 11:19 am

Mods time for action.

This is what kills forums

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 15 May 2012, 11:21 am

Folks, can we drop the personal attacks.

It's pretty obvious to see when an argument doesn't stack up, and plenty of people have pointed out the gaping holes in some of the arguments presented here, no need to get personal

by GunsGerms Tue 15 May 2012, 11:25 am

geoff998rugby wrote:Mods time for action.

This is what kills forums

Personal insults don't help. Surely you can just ignore the thread of you have nothing to add.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 15 May 2012, 11:25 am

Big Mac Michael wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:Big Mac you are a total plonker - give it a rest

Just stating the facts, I guess you can't take it, how unfortunate!

A few words of advice mate.
fact [fakt]
noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.

opinion [uh-pin-yuhn]
noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

by Rory_Gallagher Tue 15 May 2012, 11:25 am

That isn't really fair. This guy is just looking to wind people up, and has done it in 15 posts. I think it is quite obvious he has absolutely nothing to contribute, other than to try and ruin the forum and annoy people. Is he allowed to get away with that?

by geoff998rugby Tue 15 May 2012, 11:28 am

leinsterbaby wrote:
geoff998rugby wrote:Mods time for action.

This is what kills forums

Personal insults don't help. Surely you can just ignore the thread of you have nothing to add.

True - probably better to ignore.

I'll leave it go.

I was just employing the new definition of facts that that seems to be operating in this thread Very Happy

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