Welsh backline for Oz.
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Welsh backline for Oz.
With Roberts out and JD2 touch and go we need to bring some form players in and have a bit of a reshuffle.
As good as Halfpenny is, he didn't win a single ball in the air in the Six Nations (maybe 1 against England). Against the like of Ioane and O'connor, Wales will need to be strong in the air. Lee Byrne is playing awesome at the moment it's a big a shame he didn't get a go in the 6N.
Biggar is playing fantastic for the Ospreys at the moment and Wales would be no worse off by giving him an opportunity. Halfpenny is the goalkicker now, so we don't have to worry about his kicking although it's excellent at present. However, if Halfpenny gets injured I would rather Bigger kicking as opposed to Priestland or Hook. Hook is also playing brilliant for Perpignan so there is every chance that Priestland may not even make the 22. It would be shocking if a grandslam winning 10 missed the 22 entirely, but this shows a strenght in depth that Wales has never had.
Ashley Beck must be a shoe in for the 12 spot. I would love to see the North experiment at 13, but I think JD2 may be fit and resume service.
This is the backline that I would love to see in the first test.
9. Phillips
10. Biggar
11. Halfpenny
12. Beck
13. North
14. Cuffbutt
15. Byrne
20. Webb
21. Hook
22. JD2/Scott Williams
As good as Halfpenny is, he didn't win a single ball in the air in the Six Nations (maybe 1 against England). Against the like of Ioane and O'connor, Wales will need to be strong in the air. Lee Byrne is playing awesome at the moment it's a big a shame he didn't get a go in the 6N.
Biggar is playing fantastic for the Ospreys at the moment and Wales would be no worse off by giving him an opportunity. Halfpenny is the goalkicker now, so we don't have to worry about his kicking although it's excellent at present. However, if Halfpenny gets injured I would rather Bigger kicking as opposed to Priestland or Hook. Hook is also playing brilliant for Perpignan so there is every chance that Priestland may not even make the 22. It would be shocking if a grandslam winning 10 missed the 22 entirely, but this shows a strenght in depth that Wales has never had.
Ashley Beck must be a shoe in for the 12 spot. I would love to see the North experiment at 13, but I think JD2 may be fit and resume service.
This is the backline that I would love to see in the first test.
9. Phillips
10. Biggar
11. Halfpenny
12. Beck
13. North
14. Cuffbutt
15. Byrne
20. Webb
21. Hook
22. JD2/Scott Williams
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idris,
I know Biggar has had good end to season but Priestland is man in possesion and I would start with him.
As much as I like idea of North in ventre I wouldn't tinker to much for me I would go with
Phillips
Priestland
North
JD2 (If fit)
Sc Williams
Cuthbert
Halfpenny
I know Biggar has had good end to season but Priestland is man in possesion and I would start with him.
As much as I like idea of North in ventre I wouldn't tinker to much for me I would go with
Phillips
Priestland
North
JD2 (If fit)
Sc Williams
Cuthbert
Halfpenny
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idris wrote:With Roberts out and JD2 touch and go we need to bring some form players in and have a bit of a reshuffle.
As good as Halfpenny is, he didn't win a single ball in the air in the Six Nations (maybe 1 against England). Against the like of Ioane and O'connor, Wales will need to be strong in the air. Lee Byrne is playing awesome at the moment it's a big a shame he didn't get a go in the 6N.
Biggar is playing fantastic for the Ospreys at the moment and Wales would be no worse off by giving him an opportunity. Halfpenny is the goalkicker now, so we don't have to worry about his kicking although it's excellent at present. However, if Halfpenny gets injured I would rather Bigger kicking as opposed to Priestland or Hook. Hook is also playing brilliant for Perpignan so there is every chance that Priestland may not even make the 22. It would be shocking if a grandslam winning 10 missed the 22 entirely, but this shows a strenght in depth that Wales has never had.
Ashley Beck must be a shoe in for the 12 spot. I would love to see the North experiment at 13, but I think JD2 may be fit and resume service.
This is the backline that I would love to see in the first test.
9. Phillips
10. Biggar
11. Halfpenny
12. Beck
13. North
14. Cuffbutt
15. Byrne
20. Webb
21. Hook
22. JD2/Scott Williams
Idris
Good analysis, few things though
I was working in France for the last 5 weeks, and was lucky enough to watch Hook star for in a Perpignan game, and during and after the match enthused to the supporters on how good he (Hook) has been playing.......... I was suprised when quite a few disagreed and said at best he has been playing in fits and starts although getting more consistent towards the end of the season. Beck is looking strong in defence and offence and altho fast on the initial 5 mtrs he gets caught a fair bit on the long run, I am still not totally convinced at international level he will cut it but would play him against the BaaBaas. Gareth Davies has looked very good at scrumhalf. Byrne has been playing superb from all accounts though
Backlines I would select if I was Howley (brackets) are bench players
BaaBaas
15 Halfpenny
14 Dirksen
13 Bishop (North)
12 Beck
11 Cuthbert
10 Hook (Morgan)
9 Webb (Phillips)
Oz
15 Byrne (Halfpenny)
14 North
13 Williams (Hook)
12 Davies
11 Cuthbert
10 Priestland (Biggar)
9 Phillips (Davies)
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Flyhalf:
Good pick's except Dirksen does not qualify until 2014, his first year qualification was invalid using a student Visa. I am not sure about Priestland, he has been poor since returning from the RWC. I have been a big critic of Biggar but the last 3 or 4 games he has stopped kicking ball away and getting the line moving. The Ospreys pack have made life easy behind for Webb and Biggar but the backs deserve credit they are doing well and the form half backs in Wales.
Good pick's except Dirksen does not qualify until 2014, his first year qualification was invalid using a student Visa. I am not sure about Priestland, he has been poor since returning from the RWC. I have been a big critic of Biggar but the last 3 or 4 games he has stopped kicking ball away and getting the line moving. The Ospreys pack have made life easy behind for Webb and Biggar but the backs deserve credit they are doing well and the form half backs in Wales.
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glamorganalun wrote:Flyhalf:
Good pick's except Dirksen does not qualify until 2014, his first year qualification was invalid using a student Visa. I am not sure about Priestland, he has been poor since returning from the RWC. I have been a big critic of Biggar but the last 3 or 4 games he has stopped kicking ball away and getting the line moving. The Ospreys pack have made life easy behind for Webb and Biggar but the backs deserve credit they are doing well and the form half backs in Wales.
Evening Alun mate
I thought I heard Shane stating in the post match interview that he expected Hanno (Dirksen?) to be selected for the summer tour!...... I knew I should have put my earing aid up a notch
Another one I would like to see playing maybe is Liam Williams the Scarlets FB, thought he was very good against the Blues
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Laim is a cracking player, not sure about about his self control at times. I would love to know what is happening at the Scarlets with their second rows, I suspect they will struggle next year.
Have a good evening.
Have a good evening.
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flyhalffactory wrote:glamorganalun wrote:Flyhalf:
Good pick's except Dirksen does not qualify until 2014, his first year qualification was invalid using a student Visa. I am not sure about Priestland, he has been poor since returning from the RWC. I have been a big critic of Biggar but the last 3 or 4 games he has stopped kicking ball away and getting the line moving. The Ospreys pack have made life easy behind for Webb and Biggar but the backs deserve credit they are doing well and the form half backs in Wales.
Evening Alun mate
I thought I heard Shane stating in the post match interview that he expected Hanno (Dirksen?) to be selected for the summer tour!...... I knew I should have put my earing aid up a notch
Another one I would like to see playing maybe is Liam Williams the Scarlets FB, thought he was very good against the Blues
Shane definitely did say that in the post match interview.
Maybe Dirksen and/or the WRU are going to contest the decision? Wasnt Manu Tuilagi close to being deported for over staying his visa?
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Tuilagi was being deported for not having a visa.. Dirksen has another two years before he would qualify by residency. Good player.mpc28 wrote:flyhalffactory wrote:glamorganalun wrote:Flyhalf:
Good pick's except Dirksen does not qualify until 2014, his first year qualification was invalid using a student Visa. I am not sure about Priestland, he has been poor since returning from the RWC. I have been a big critic of Biggar but the last 3 or 4 games he has stopped kicking ball away and getting the line moving. The Ospreys pack have made life easy behind for Webb and Biggar but the backs deserve credit they are doing well and the form half backs in Wales.
Evening Alun mate
I thought I heard Shane stating in the post match interview that he expected Hanno (Dirksen?) to be selected for the summer tour!...... I knew I should have put my earing aid up a notch
Another one I would like to see playing maybe is Liam Williams the Scarlets FB, thought he was very good against the Blues
Shane definitely did say that in the post match interview.
Maybe Dirksen and/or the WRU are going to contest the decision? Wasnt Manu Tuilagi close to being deported for over staying his visa?
Backline wise, I dont think Biggar or Hook are better than Priestland. Stick as we are, only change I would make would be Beck in for Roberts.
Phillips
Priestland
North
Beck
Davies
Cuthbert
Halfpenny
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maestegmafia wrote:Tuilagi was being deported for not having a visa.. Dirksen has another two years before he would qualify by residency. Good player.mpc28 wrote:flyhalffactory wrote:glamorganalun wrote:Flyhalf:
Good pick's except Dirksen does not qualify until 2014, his first year qualification was invalid using a student Visa. I am not sure about Priestland, he has been poor since returning from the RWC. I have been a big critic of Biggar but the last 3 or 4 games he has stopped kicking ball away and getting the line moving. The Ospreys pack have made life easy behind for Webb and Biggar but the backs deserve credit they are doing well and the form half backs in Wales.
Evening Alun mate
I thought I heard Shane stating in the post match interview that he expected Hanno (Dirksen?) to be selected for the summer tour!...... I knew I should have put my earing aid up a notch
Another one I would like to see playing maybe is Liam Williams the Scarlets FB, thought he was very good against the Blues
Shane definitely did say that in the post match interview.
Maybe Dirksen and/or the WRU are going to contest the decision? Wasnt Manu Tuilagi close to being deported for over staying his visa?
Backline wise, I dont think Biggar or Hook are better than Priestland. Stick as we are, only change I would make would be Beck in for Roberts.
Phillips
Priestland
North
Beck
Davies
Cuthbert
Halfpenny
Dirksen was playing for Swansea in 2009 so would qualify for residency already but for the fact that he was on a student visa when he first started playing over here.
Thats the same backline that i would choose, Priestland has to hit the ground running in the first test though, he needs to find his form again after a less than impressive 6 nations, Maybe the form of Biggar will be a timely kick up the backside for him.
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9. Mike Phillips
10. Rhys Preistland
11. George North
12. Scott Williams (don't think he has the speed for 13 internationally)
13. Jonathon Davies
14. Alex Cuthbert
15. Leigh Halfpenny
21. Lloyd Williams
22. Dan Biggar
23. Ashley Beck
Beck and Biggar to be given a chance in the BaaBaas game, if they don't perform then
21. Lloyd Williams
22. James Hook
23. Liam Williams
10. Rhys Preistland
11. George North
12. Scott Williams (don't think he has the speed for 13 internationally)
13. Jonathon Davies
14. Alex Cuthbert
15. Leigh Halfpenny
21. Lloyd Williams
22. Dan Biggar
23. Ashley Beck
Beck and Biggar to be given a chance in the BaaBaas game, if they don't perform then
21. Lloyd Williams
22. James Hook
23. Liam Williams
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9: Mike Phillips
10: Dan Biggar
11: Leigh Halfpenny
12: Ashley Beck
13: George North
14: Alex Cuthbert
15: Richard Fussell
20: Gareth Davies
21: Rhys Priestland
22: Scott Williams
10: Dan Biggar
11: Leigh Halfpenny
12: Ashley Beck
13: George North
14: Alex Cuthbert
15: Richard Fussell
20: Gareth Davies
21: Rhys Priestland
22: Scott Williams
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BeachBoy2012 wrote:9: Mike Phillips
10: Dan Biggar
11: Leigh Halfpenny
12: Ashley Beck
13: George North
14: Alex Cuthbert
15: Richard Fussell
20: Gareth Davies
21: Rhys Priestland
22: Scott Williams
You misspelt Lee Byrne, or Liam Williams
Fussell
wales606- Posts : 10728
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Lee Byrne - should never see an international jersey again.
Liam Williams - yeah, he's outperformed Fussell hasn't he?
Let's let Liam Williams be good before we say how good he is. And Lee Byrne, well I for one cant handle him banging aimless kicks down the field, half the time going out on the full and the other half of the time landing in the hands of an on rushing full back from New Zealand or Australia.
Why don't we in Wales try something, just once, like picking players on form?
Liam Williams - yeah, he's outperformed Fussell hasn't he?
Let's let Liam Williams be good before we say how good he is. And Lee Byrne, well I for one cant handle him banging aimless kicks down the field, half the time going out on the full and the other half of the time landing in the hands of an on rushing full back from New Zealand or Australia.
Why don't we in Wales try something, just once, like picking players on form?
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BeachBoy2012 wrote:Lee Byrne - should never see an international jersey again.
Liam Williams - yeah, he's outperformed Fussell hasn't he?
Yes, yes he has.
He has been very good in every game I have seen him in for the last month - his catching has reminded me of Kearney at times aswell.
Lee Byrne is first choice 15 for Clermont who are 2nd in the toughest league on the world, he is also the only Welshman to be in a HC semi final this year (in which is scored a try) - I would say he is a pretty good 3rd choice behind Halfpenny and the younger Li.Williams.
Fussell is an average winger who is playing FB - He can't kick to save his life and is not dominant in the air and his defence is not good. He cut some good lines in the O's semi final, but that about all the good he has done this season.
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I think Liam Williams will be really good. But I don't think he has done enough. And with Fussell I think his running ability and spacial awareness is pretty impressive. In the air I've seen him have some good games and not so good ones.
Lee Byrne though... he's never been good enough against the best three sides in the world. He's predictable when he plays them and they must look forward to playing him. He's since lost some speed as well.
As for the french league being the 2nd toughest league i disagree. It's clogged up by old players clinging on, half hearted mercenaries and sides who if they have to travel don't turn up.
Lee Byrne though... he's never been good enough against the best three sides in the world. He's predictable when he plays them and they must look forward to playing him. He's since lost some speed as well.
As for the french league being the 2nd toughest league i disagree. It's clogged up by old players clinging on, half hearted mercenaries and sides who if they have to travel don't turn up.
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BeachBoy2012 wrote:I think Liam Williams will be really good. But I don't think he has done enough. And with Fussell I think his running ability and spacial awareness is pretty impressive. In the air I've seen him have some good games and not so good ones.
Lee Byrne though... he's never been good enough against the best three sides in the world. He's predictable when he plays them and they must look forward to playing him. He's since lost some speed as well.
As for the french league being the 2nd toughest league i disagree. It's clogged up by old players clinging on, half hearted mercenaries and sides who if they have to travel don't turn up.
The Top14 in the toughest league by far - which is tougher?
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wales606 wrote:BeachBoy2012 wrote:I think Liam Williams will be really good. But I don't think he has done enough. And with Fussell I think his running ability and spacial awareness is pretty impressive. In the air I've seen him have some good games and not so good ones.
Lee Byrne though... he's never been good enough against the best three sides in the world. He's predictable when he plays them and they must look forward to playing him. He's since lost some speed as well.
As for the french league being the 2nd toughest league i disagree. It's clogged up by old players clinging on, half hearted mercenaries and sides who if they have to travel don't turn up.
The Top14 in the toughest league by far - which is tougher?
Beachboy
You spout "why dont Wales pick on FORM", then you select Fussel ........ ahead of Byrne who is on fire and keeping out some classy players in a cracking Clermont side, in yes a league generally regarded (by people who actually watch rugby outside of the goldfish bowl of Wales) as one of if not the toughest league in world rugby, and Liam Williams who is a better tackler, and faster on the break than Fussel. You also pick North who hasn't played centre at full international level and Beck who had never played at a higher level than regional rugby against Australia in their own back yard!!
Strewth talking about ruining careers before they have even started
By the way are you an Ospreys supporter?
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Haha no I'm a Hurricanes (super 15) supporter!
North's never played centre? Shane had never played for Wales until his first game. I hadn't had my first ice cream til my parents gave me one about 20 years ago. Whart's your point? Now is the time to try these things while players are out injured.
North's never played centre? Shane had never played for Wales until his first game. I hadn't had my first ice cream til my parents gave me one about 20 years ago. Whart's your point? Now is the time to try these things while players are out injured.
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BeachBoy2012 wrote:Haha no I'm a Hurricanes (super 15) supporter!
North's never played centre? Shane had never played for Wales until his first game. I hadn't had my first ice cream til my parents gave me one about 20 years ago. Whart's your point? Now is the time to try these things while players are out injured.
Shane had played wing regularly for his club though.
North could be a good centre, but he needs to play there regionally first - or he will be exposed badly by AAC and Ioane.
The only centre out is Roberts - JD2 should be fit and S.Williams almost certainly will be.
12. Scott Williams
13. Jonathon Davies
or
12. Ashley Beck
13. Scott Williams
Would be better options at the moment - probably so would Hook or Hughes in the centres.
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Well Wales didnt pitch Shane in an inexperience Welsh side against one of the top 3 sides in their own country, if they had and he got trounced he might never have become the player he did........you have to be a tad sensible
My point(s) are
1. Form - Fussel is not the form FB, I would say there is at least three better form players (Byrne, Halfpenny, Williams)
2. Winning mentality - Wales have stated this summer tour will be about winning not bleeding new players, hence pick your best players for the series
3. Player development - you are selecting a player (Beck) who hasn't proved himself in a level higher than regional rugby, and pitching him alongside a player who has never played centre at even regional level (North), and on top of this you are selecting a player who has never played above regional level Fussel............ what if Australia put 50 pts on them, you would have destroyed all their confidence
Against what will be a strong OZ team in their own back yard, you need horses for courses
My point(s) are
1. Form - Fussel is not the form FB, I would say there is at least three better form players (Byrne, Halfpenny, Williams)
2. Winning mentality - Wales have stated this summer tour will be about winning not bleeding new players, hence pick your best players for the series
3. Player development - you are selecting a player (Beck) who hasn't proved himself in a level higher than regional rugby, and pitching him alongside a player who has never played centre at even regional level (North), and on top of this you are selecting a player who has never played above regional level Fussel............ what if Australia put 50 pts on them, you would have destroyed all their confidence
Against what will be a strong OZ team in their own back yard, you need horses for courses
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Fussell is a jorneyman, not an international class winger or full back. Byrne and Halfpenny are our first choice 15 with an up and coming Liam Williams. The idea that Fussell would be a better option than any of the above three is a joke.
George North has not played centre since school. He is still learning and is still very raw as a winger and it is there that he is best suited. He is not a better option than JD or Sc Williams in the outside centre berth. In fact I would have Hook at 13 anyday rather than North. 13 is for me HOoks best position.
We have a settled side who all know their roles and good players who can come in and cover every position twice over why on earth would we want to start messing that around now by playing people out of position or picking thrid raters ahead of proven international?
The teams for Oz - Babas will look somthing like below and there wont be any biggar or Fussell thank God.
1. Gethin - James
2. Rees, Owens
3. Adam, Mitchell
4. Ian Evans, Bradley
5. Charteris, AWJ
6. Lydiate, Lewis Evans
7. Warbs, Tipuric
8. Faletau, Ryan
9. Phillips, Ll Williams
10. Priestland, Hook
11. North, Brew
12. JD2, Beck
13. Sc Williams, Hughes
14. Cuthbert, Robinson
15. Halfpenny, Byrne
George North has not played centre since school. He is still learning and is still very raw as a winger and it is there that he is best suited. He is not a better option than JD or Sc Williams in the outside centre berth. In fact I would have Hook at 13 anyday rather than North. 13 is for me HOoks best position.
We have a settled side who all know their roles and good players who can come in and cover every position twice over why on earth would we want to start messing that around now by playing people out of position or picking thrid raters ahead of proven international?
The teams for Oz - Babas will look somthing like below and there wont be any biggar or Fussell thank God.
1. Gethin - James
2. Rees, Owens
3. Adam, Mitchell
4. Ian Evans, Bradley
5. Charteris, AWJ
6. Lydiate, Lewis Evans
7. Warbs, Tipuric
8. Faletau, Ryan
9. Phillips, Ll Williams
10. Priestland, Hook
11. North, Brew
12. JD2, Beck
13. Sc Williams, Hughes
14. Cuthbert, Robinson
15. Halfpenny, Byrne
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TycroesOsprey wrote:Fussell is a jorneyman, not an international class winger or full back. Byrne and Halfpenny are our first choice 15 with an up and coming Liam Williams. The idea that Fussell would be a better option than any of the above three is a joke.
George North has not played centre since school. He is still learning and is still very raw as a winger and it is there that he is best suited. He is not a better option than JD or Sc Williams in the outside centre berth. In fact I would have Hook at 13 anyday rather than North. 13 is for me HOoks best position.
We have a settled side who all know their roles and good players who can come in and cover every position twice over why on earth would we want to start messing that around now by playing people out of position or picking thrid raters ahead of proven international?
The teams for Oz - Babas will look somthing like below and there wont be any biggar or Fussell thank God.
1. Gethin - James
2. Rees, Owens
3. Adam, Mitchell
4. Ian Evans, Bradley
5. Charteris, AWJ
6. Lydiate, Lewis Evans
7. Warbs, Tipuric
8. Faletau, Ryan
9. Phillips, Ll Williams
10. Priestland, Hook
11. North, Brew
12. JD2, Beck
13. Sc Williams, Hughes
14. Cuthbert, Robinson
15. Halfpenny, Byrne
Agree, only Shingler over Lewis Evans surely.
Im pretty sure Howley has stated that Tips and Warburton will fly out early and Shingler will start at 7 against the BaaBaas (with Maryn coming off the bench)
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Think Ian Evans is getting married as well so he misses the first test.
Shingler or Lewis Evans and I would be happy. Personally Ima big fan of Evans at six but Shingler has more versatility.
He would probably be in my thrid choice team,
1. Gill
2. Hibbard
3. Andrews
4. Day
5. Read
6. McCusker
7. Shingler
8. Delve
9. Webb
10. Tovey
11. James
12. Hewitt
13. Bishop
14. Walker
15. Li Williams
Shingler or Lewis Evans and I would be happy. Personally Ima big fan of Evans at six but Shingler has more versatility.
He would probably be in my thrid choice team,
1. Gill
2. Hibbard
3. Andrews
4. Day
5. Read
6. McCusker
7. Shingler
8. Delve
9. Webb
10. Tovey
11. James
12. Hewitt
13. Bishop
14. Walker
15. Li Williams
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[quote="wales606"]9. Mike Phillips
10. Rhys Preistland
11. George North
12. Scott Williams (don't think he has the speed for 13 internationally)
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Did you miss the rugby world cup or the ENGLAND game??!?!?!
Scott Williams is rapid especially when you consider how big of a lump he is!
I would love it if Dirksen can get qualified sooner. He is amazing i've been excited about him since he came over 3 years ago.
10. Rhys Preistland
11. George North
12. Scott Williams (don't think he has the speed for 13 internationally)
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Did you miss the rugby world cup or the ENGLAND game??!?!?!
Scott Williams is rapid especially when you consider how big of a lump he is!
I would love it if Dirksen can get qualified sooner. He is amazing i've been excited about him since he came over 3 years ago.
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Gill - Bevington
Owens - Hibbert
Mitchell - Andrews
B Davies
Reed/Shingler/AWJ?
L Evans/Murphy?
Shingler/M Williams
R Jones/Murphy?
Webb/Ll Williams
Biggar/Tovey
Robinson/Brew
Beck/Hook
S Williams/Bishop
L Williams
Byrne/Hook
Owens - Hibbert
Mitchell - Andrews
B Davies
Reed/Shingler/AWJ?
L Evans/Murphy?
Shingler/M Williams
R Jones/Murphy?
Webb/Ll Williams
Biggar/Tovey
Robinson/Brew
Beck/Hook
S Williams/Bishop
L Williams
Byrne/Hook
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Re: Welsh backline for Oz.
[quote="idris"]
If JD2 is out, I would put S.Williams at 13 - But JD2 has shone at 13 recently, and I think that internationally, he is a better option at 13 (whereas he and Williams interchange for the Scarlets).
wales606 wrote:9. Mike Phillips
10. Rhys Preistland
11. George North
12. Scott Williams (don't think he has the speed for 13 internationally)
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Did you miss the rugby world cup or the ENGLAND game??!?!?!
Scott Williams is rapid especially when you consider how big of a lump he is!
I would love it if Dirksen can get qualified sooner. He is amazing i've been excited about him since he came over 3 years ago.
If JD2 is out, I would put S.Williams at 13 - But JD2 has shone at 13 recently, and I think that internationally, he is a better option at 13 (whereas he and Williams interchange for the Scarlets).
wales606- Posts : 10728
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Re: Welsh backline for Oz.
[quote="idris"]
You're right about Scott Williams being rapid, i was watching a video of the Scarlets doing sprint training a few weeks ago and he was quicker than George North in the clips i saw so there certainly shouldnt be any question marks over his pace.
wales606 wrote:9. Mike Phillips
10. Rhys Preistland
11. George North
12. Scott Williams (don't think he has the speed for 13 internationally)
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Did you miss the rugby world cup or the ENGLAND game??!?!?!
Scott Williams is rapid especially when you consider how big of a lump he is!
I would love it if Dirksen can get qualified sooner. He is amazing i've been excited about him since he came over 3 years ago.
You're right about Scott Williams being rapid, i was watching a video of the Scarlets doing sprint training a few weeks ago and he was quicker than George North in the clips i saw so there certainly shouldnt be any question marks over his pace.
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Squad announced today...!
maestegmafia- Posts : 23145
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Re: Welsh backline for Oz.
Phillips
Biggar
North
Beck
Bishop
Cuthbert
Halfpenny
Don't expect anyone to agree but i think that's a great backline.
Biggar
North
Beck
Bishop
Cuthbert
Halfpenny
Don't expect anyone to agree but i think that's a great backline.
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Bishop is not as good as Williams or Davies in attack, and they are as good as Bishop in defence.
He's had a resurgent season, but I cant see him impressing at international level. He just does the basics very very well.
He's had a resurgent season, but I cant see him impressing at international level. He just does the basics very very well.
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Bishop scores about as many tries as Adam Jones.
Bishop is a decent regional player - and I think the Ospreys should have done a lot better when they had Bowe, Williams an Byrne in the backline - and they might of done with a 13 like Laulaula or Smith, but Bishop is just a defender and doesn't create anything.
Bishop is a decent regional player - and I think the Ospreys should have done a lot better when they had Bowe, Williams an Byrne in the backline - and they might of done with a 13 like Laulaula or Smith, but Bishop is just a defender and doesn't create anything.
wales606- Posts : 10728
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What time maes? Any chance you can post a thread now and then edit the squad in on the minute mark so we don't have to put up a multitude of threads?
It would worry me to see Bishop in the squad. One good game in a season does not make him worthy of a call-up. We are definitely lacking a good 13. If Beck had one outside him that midfield would have a field day in attack. You could argue that Beck's style of play is similar to Sonny Bills except not as much skill or big hits.
It would worry me to see Bishop in the squad. One good game in a season does not make him worthy of a call-up. We are definitely lacking a good 13. If Beck had one outside him that midfield would have a field day in attack. You could argue that Beck's style of play is similar to Sonny Bills except not as much skill or big hits.
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Re: Welsh backline for Oz.
1st 2nd
15 Halfpenny Byrne
14 Cuthbert Dirksen
13 Beck Williams
12 J Davies J Roberts
11 G North Brew
10 Priestland Hook
9 Iron Mike Webb
15 Halfpenny Byrne
14 Cuthbert Dirksen
13 Beck Williams
12 J Davies J Roberts
11 G North Brew
10 Priestland Hook
9 Iron Mike Webb
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Although I am no a big fan of Priestland, is it a good idea to reshuffle a backline who has been given an opportunity to settle well over the past year?
9. Phillips
10. Priestland
11. George North
12. Biggar or Beck?
13. Biggar, Beck or North?
14. Cuthbert
15 Halfpenny.
Is it at all possible that Biggar and Beck can slot into 12 and 13 and leave the rest of the backline the same?
9. Phillips
10. Priestland
11. George North
12. Biggar or Beck?
13. Biggar, Beck or North?
14. Cuthbert
15 Halfpenny.
Is it at all possible that Biggar and Beck can slot into 12 and 13 and leave the rest of the backline the same?
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Surprised Aled Brew and Will Harries made the squad and not Adam Hughes. Good to see Shingler and Liam in there mind
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Biggar in the Centre!!!!!! Did you bang your head this weekend Bilt? - With al the quality centres we've got we need to kep Biggar well away from there IMO - 3rd choice OH at best
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Biggar is not a centre, defensively he isnt strong enough and offensivley he offers nothing in attack. As Ruby says third choice 10 at best 4th in my eyes.
TycroesOsprey- Posts : 1839
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I don't know Rubyguby, that's why I am asking.
The point is do you realy want to disrupt the whole backline, if there is someone else then just replace the centres.
The point is do you realy want to disrupt the whole backline, if there is someone else then just replace the centres.
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I'd keep the back line as settled as possible with the introduction of Beck being the exception. Possibly try 1 or 2 alternatives in the mid week game but NOT Biggar in the Centre I'd also give Hook some game time at 10 during the tour but not if we're 4 points up with 20 to play unless Priestland is having a mare. Priestland needs to start to lcick again or his place is going to be in jeopardy
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I'd see how Biggar does against the Baa Baas - then the question is if you put Hook on the bench as I would or play it safe with Priestland on the bench?
Beck should def be at 12 for the Baa Baas, and be in the squad for the tour, I am worried though that if we haven't got North, Phillips, Halfpenny, Roberts and JD2 then our backline (and Forwards) has huge changes and not much time to settle. Still it will be good to see how some players particularly Beck and Biggar get on
Beck should def be at 12 for the Baa Baas, and be in the squad for the tour, I am worried though that if we haven't got North, Phillips, Halfpenny, Roberts and JD2 then our backline (and Forwards) has huge changes and not much time to settle. Still it will be good to see how some players particularly Beck and Biggar get on
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Smirnoffpriest wrote:I'd see how Biggar does against the Baa Baas - then the question is if you put Hook on the bench as I would or play it safe with Priestland on the bench?
Beck should def be at 12 for the Baa Baas, and be in the squad for the tour, I am worried though that if we haven't got North, Phillips, Halfpenny, Roberts and JD2 then our backline (and Forwards) has huge changes and not much time to settle. Still it will be good to see how some players particularly Beck and Biggar get on
With Hook and Beck on the bench they cover 10 - 15 since Hook cover FB.
I can't see Biggar replacing Preistland straight out - perhaps if Biggar impresses and Preistland is poor in the first 1 or 2 tests.
wales606- Posts : 10728
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Might well see both Biggar and Hook on the bench for the first test?
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maestegmafia wrote:Might well see both Biggar and Hook on the bench for the first test?
Possibly, but I doubt it - that would mean Hook was covering centre and FB from the bench, but I don't think they will put two 10s (for their clubs at anyrate) on the bench without specialist cover.
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I def wouldn't like to see both Biggar and Hook on the bench, for one it means that Hook is being considered (even temporarily) as centre instead of being kept in 1 position, flyhalf, which he's playing for Club and wants to play.
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Against Baabaa I think we will be throwing people onto the pitch in order to see if they are up to the job of international rubgy at the moment. So I would expect four new caps to get a start in a team looking something like this;
L Williams, Brew, Beck, Bishop, Robinson, Biggar, Ll Wiliams
Rh Jones, Hibbard, James, Davies, Charteris, Shingler, Tipuric, R Jones
(bench -: Gill, Owens, M Williams, Turnbull, Webb, Hook, Harris)
Against Aus it will be business as usually for the GS team;
Halfpenny, Cuthbert, Sc Williams (if unfit Beck), J Davies, North, Priestland, Phillips
Jenkins, Rees (if Unfit Owens), A Jones, Davies, AW Jones, Lydiate, Warburton, Faletau
(bench -: James, Owens (Hibbard if Rees is unfit), R Jones, Tipuric, Ll Williams, Hook, Beck (if Sc Williams is unfit Li Williams)
L Williams, Brew, Beck, Bishop, Robinson, Biggar, Ll Wiliams
Rh Jones, Hibbard, James, Davies, Charteris, Shingler, Tipuric, R Jones
(bench -: Gill, Owens, M Williams, Turnbull, Webb, Hook, Harris)
Against Aus it will be business as usually for the GS team;
Halfpenny, Cuthbert, Sc Williams (if unfit Beck), J Davies, North, Priestland, Phillips
Jenkins, Rees (if Unfit Owens), A Jones, Davies, AW Jones, Lydiate, Warburton, Faletau
(bench -: James, Owens (Hibbard if Rees is unfit), R Jones, Tipuric, Ll Williams, Hook, Beck (if Sc Williams is unfit Li Williams)
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TycroesOsprey wrote:George North has not played centre since school.
Yeah but thats what 3pm? Being serious he has had what two seasons of playing on the wing, so has probably played more at centre than wing. That said I think leave him where he is, and lets stop shuffling players around left right and centre.
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ScarletSpiderman wrote:TycroesOsprey wrote:George North has not played centre since school.
Yeah but thats what 3pm?
wales606- Posts : 10728
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ScarletSpiderman wrote:TycroesOsprey wrote:George North has not played centre since school.
Yeah but thats what 3pm? Being serious he has had what two seasons of playing on the wing, so has probably played more at centre than wing. That said I think leave him where he is, and lets stop shuffling players around left right and centre.
So you think we should just play him left and right but not centre? or not play him left right or centre?
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Re: Welsh backline for Oz.
For Oz:
9. Phillips
10. Priestland
11. North
12. JD2 (Beck if is unfit)
13. Sc. Williams (Beck if unfit)
14. North
15. Halfpenny
20. Webb
21. Hook
22. Li. Williams
9. Phillips
10. Priestland
11. North
12. JD2 (Beck if is unfit)
13. Sc. Williams (Beck if unfit)
14. North
15. Halfpenny
20. Webb
21. Hook
22. Li. Williams
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Re: Welsh backline for Oz.
Smirnoffpriest wrote:ScarletSpiderman wrote:TycroesOsprey wrote:George North has not played centre since school.
Yeah but thats what 3pm? Being serious he has had what two seasons of playing on the wing, so has probably played more at centre than wing. That said I think leave him where he is, and lets stop shuffling players around left right and centre.
So you think we should just play him left and right but not centre? or not play him left right or centre?
Well anywhere but fullback
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