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Tonight's WWE RAW Supershow opens with a look back at Big Show explaining his heel turn from last week.

- We're live from the Bi Lo Center in Greenville, South Carolina. Justin Roberts introduces Michael Cole and here he comes to the ring. Cole brings out John Cena and says he has a lot of explaining to do. Cena's music hits and out he comes.

Cole reminds Cena about the two knockout punches from Big Show in a 24 hour period. Cole talks about Show taking out Brodus Clay, Alex Riley, Santino Marella, Zack Ryder, Kofi Kingston and R-Truth in the last week. Cole says this could have been prevented if Cena had done the right thing - supported Big Show in the first place. Cena cuts in and rips John Laurinaitis, calling him power hungry. Cena says he may not have stood up for Show that night but he was going to take him out for good at the pay-per-view. Cole calls Cena self-centered and wrapped up in his own ego. Cole says it's not all about Cena - Big Show did what he had to do to feed his family. Cole says Big Show decided it was time to teach everyone a lesson - Big Show is no longer a businessman, he's a 7 foot giant that nobody can beat. Cena says Show is just a man who decided he wanted a wallet the size of his waist line. Cena says we have all had tough times and when you have tough times, you make a decision. Cole says maybe Cena is jealous of Big Show. Cole says he has supported Cena since day one but he's seeing things different lately. Cole says Cena isn't interested anymore and he's overrated. Cole hopes Big Show puts Cena out of our misery at No Way Out in the steel cage. Cole reminds Cena he can't strike an announcer because it's prohibited. The music hits and out comes John Laurinaitis on his scooter.

Laurinaitis is going to let Cena pick an opponent for tonight but says Big Show isn't here tonight because his new contract has selective dates. Laurinaitis says he has retired from singles competition after defeating Cena at Over the Limit. Laurinaitis says anyone else is game. Cena says tonight's RAW is going to be extra special because his opponent is Michael Cole. Cena's music hits but Cole starts to protest. Cole says Cena can't do that. Cole pleads with Laurinaitis but Ace just rides away on his scooter. Cena gets his match and celebrates with the fans at ringside as Cole yells for Laurinaitis to come back.

- Still to come tonight, Kane vs. CM Punk for the WWE Title and there must be a winner this time. We see Sheamus walking to the ring for a rematch against Dolph Ziggler. We go to commercial.

- Back from the break and Cole catches up with Laurinaitis backstage. Cole begs him not to let the match go through. Laurinaitis says there's a rumor going around that everyone's job is going to be evaluated soon. Laurinaitis says he's all about People Power. Cole says the people don't want to see Cena beat the hell out of them. The crowd pops. Laurinaitis tells Cole to go do his job and get ready for his match. Laurinaitis tells Cole not to call him Johnny any more.

Dolph Ziggler vs. Sheamus

Vickie Guerrero comes out to the stage to begin introducing Dolph Ziggler when Michael Cole comes storming past her on his way to commentary. Ziggler makes his way out followed by the World Heavyweight Champion Sheamus for this non-title match.

They lock up and go at it. Ziggler takes the fight to the corner but Sheamus turns it around. Ziggler takes out Sheamus' leg but gets caught going for the leg drop. Ziggler tries for a roll up but Sheamus hits the senton for a 1 count. Ziggler pulls the ropes down and dumps Sheamus out to the floor. Sheamus pulls him out and drops his head on the floor. They block attempts at pushing each other into the ring post. Ziggler blocks a shot into the steel steps. Vickie argues with Sheamus as Dolph enters the ring. Sheamus turns around to a dropkick from Ziggler. Sheamus goes down on the floor as Ziggler poses in the corner and we go to commercial.

Back from the break and Ziggler hits a big knee to the gut and takes Sheamus down with a submission. Sheamus comes back with forearms and hits a big powerslam for 2. Ziggler makes a comeback and drops an elbow for a pin attempt of his own. More back and forth action. Dolph with a close 2 count coming out of the corner. Sheamus counters and hits White Noise out of nowhere. Sheamus goes to the corner and gets ready. Ziggler gets up and gets dropped by a Brogue Kick for the win.

Winner: Sheamus

- After the match, Sheamus is headed up the ramp when Alberto Del Rio attacks from behind. Del Rio beats Sheamus down. Sheamus starts to come back but Ricardo Rodriguez comes out to help. They stomp away on Sheamus. Del Rio applies the cross armbreaker with Sheamus hanging off the stage. We go to commercial.

- Back from the break and David Otunga catches up with Laurinaitis. He shows him on WWE.com it says Vince McMahon will be returning next week. Laurinaitis says that's a good thing. Otunga adds Vince is returning to evaluate Laurinaitis and Ace doesn't look thrilled. Cole says he gets it now. Ace booked him in a match to please Mr. McMahon. Cole is no longer upset with Laurinaitis. Still to come tonight, Cena vs. Cole.

Sin Cara vs. Hunico

We go to the ring and out comes Sin Cara making his RAW return. Out next comes Hunico riding on Camacho's bike.

The lights di blue and they go at it. Cara with high flying moves as he sends Hunico to the floor. Cara with a hurricanrana on the floor before bringing it back in the ring. Cara comes in with a roll up but Hunico kicks him in the face and takes control. Hunico with a big knee to the back for a 2 count. Hunico keeps Cara on the mat now.

More back and forth action with Camacho trying to get involved. Cara takes Hunico with with a flying head scissors for the win.

Winner: Sin Cara

- Up next is Ryback coming to RAW. We go to commercial.

Stan Stansky and Arthur Rosenberg vs. Ryback

Back from the break and two indy geeks are in the ring. They do a rap about how they are going to beat Ryback. The bell rings and Ryback begins the squash. He splashes them both in the corner before hitting a big double clothesline. Ryback scoops them both on his shoulders at the same time and drops them for the win.

Winner: Ryback

- Up next is WWE Champion CM Punk vs. Kane where there must be a winner. Back to commercial.

CM Punk vs. Kane

Back from the break and out comes WWE Champion CM Punk. It appears this match is not for the WWE Title but there must be a winner. Punk makes his entrance and out next is Daniel Bryan to join the announcers. Bryan stands up on the announce table and takes a mic. Bryan says it's time for a little Q&A time. Bryan asks if AJ has gone delusional since he dumped her. He asks if Kane will destroy Punk tonight. He asks if he will become the new WWE Champion at No Way Out and of course every answer is yes! The pyro goes off and out comes Kane now.

The match starts and Kane beats Punk down in the corner. Punk makes a comeback and clotheslines Kane to the floor. Punk dives through the ropes and takes him out as Bryan looks on from ringside. Punk climbs up to the top and leaps down on Kane and he floor. Punk kicks Kane before rolling him back in the ring. Punk goes back up top and hits a crossbody for 2. Punk with more kicks. Kane cuts him off with a knee to the gut and a low dropkick to the face. Kane takes control now and hits a big leg drop for another pin attempt.

Punk fights out of a body scissors. Punk with kicks and chops. Kane goes for a slam but Punk blocks it with more kicks and forearm shots. Punk gets stopped again and Kane throws him over the top rope to the floor as Bryan laughs. We go to commercial.

Back from the break and Punk applies a sleeper hold on Kane. Kane powers out with a big side slam and covers for a 2 count. Kane catches Punk with another side slam. Kane goes up top but Punk runs up and hits a high knee to the jaw. Punk with another knee in the corner and then the bulldog for a 2 count. Punk springboards in with a clothesline for another 2 count. Punk goes for GTS but can't get Kane up. Kane drops him with a big boot and covers for 2. Kane goes for a chokeslam but Punk counters with a neckbreaker for a close 2 count. Punk goes up top but Kane stops him and climbs up. Kane goes for a superplex but Punk fights him off and sends him to the mat. Punk hits the elbow drop for another close 2 count.

They go back to the floor to fight. Kane throws Punk hard into the barrier, right in front of Bryan. Kane distracts the referee in the ring as Punk tries to get in the ring. Bryan comes from behind and kicks Punk twice as the referee has his back turned. Kane brings Punk back in the ring and goes for a chokeslam but Punk blocks it with a big kick to the head. AJ Lee runs down and tries to tell the referee what happened. Bryan tells her to get down. Punk dives through the ropes and takes out Bryan. Punk slams Bryan's head in the barrier and comes back in the ring to a big chokeslam from Kane for the win.

Winner: Kane

- After the match, Bryan tries to attack from behind but Kane kicks him out of the ring. AJ comes in and smiles at Kane. Kane doesn't fall for it and leaves the ring as AJ tends to Punk. Bryan looks confused from ringside.

- Still to come tonight, Cole vs. Cena in the main event. Back to commercial.

- Josh Mathews catches up with AJ Lee and asks her about "the look" we just saw. AJ grabs Mathews by his collar and says he seems uncomfortable. She plays the crazy chick role and he walks off.

- Cole begs the fans to use social media and ask John Laurinaitis to cancel the match against Cena tonight.

- We get another promo video for Big Show.

R-Truth and Kofi Kingston vs. Tyler Reks and Kurt Hawkins

WWE Tag Team Champions Kofi Kingston and R-Truth make their way out to the ring as we go back to commercial.

Back from the break and Curt Hawkins is going at it with Kofi Kingston, who has his ribs taped up. Kofi keeps control and gets a 2 count. Truth is also taped up from the attack last week. Truth tags in and they double team Hawkins. Kofi with a big kick to the face. Truth hits a leg drop for a 2 count. Hawkins tags to Tyler Reks. Truth unloads and takes Reks to the corner. Hawkins interferes and Reks slams Truth to the mat. Reks with a big backbreaker for 2.

Hawkins tags back in and they double team Truth. Another tag to Reks and more double teaming. Truth fights back but Reks scoops him on his shoulders. Truth slides out and dropkicks Reks. Kofi gets the tag and hits his usual moves on Hawkins. Kofi hits Boom Drop and knocks Reks off the apron. Kof hits the big crossbody but Reks come in and breaks the pin. Reks dumps Truth to the floor but Truth pulls him out. Hawkins and Kofi go at it now with Kofi hitting Trouble in Paradise for the win.

Winners: Kofi Kingston and R-Truth

- We see John Cena walking backstage as we return to commercials.

John Cena vs. Michael Cole

Back fro the break and out comes John Cena for the main event. Michael Cole is still sitting in his suit at ringside doing commentary. John Laurinaitis comes out and makes the match a No DQ match, if Cena is victorious against this man... Tensai's music hits and out he comes with Sakamoto.

John Cena vs. Tensai

Tensai comes out and pushes Sakomoto to the side. He charges to the ring where Cena waits.

They lock up and Tensai knocks Cena to the mat before taking him to the corner and beating him down with forearm shots. Tensai stomps away and taunts Cena to get up. Tensai drops Cena again with a big headbutt. Cena fights back and they trade shots. Cena clotheslines Tensai out to the floor and tries to bring him back in but goes down on the floor. We go to commercial.

Back from the break and Tensai is still in control. Tensai hits a big splash in the corner. Cena catches Tensai with boots in the corner and a bulldog. Tensai stops Cena again and leg drops his arm. Tensai with a big shoulder for a 2 count. Tensai tosses Cena back out to the floor and slams his head into the announcers table. Cole takes advantage and slaps Cena in the face. Tensai throws Cena into the steel steps as Cole yells on commentary. Cena rushes in the ring to stop the 10 count but Tensai catches him with a big suplex for a 2 count. Tensai misses the back splash and Cena makes a comeback.

Cena hits the usual followed by the Five Knuckle Shuffle and the Attitude Adjustment for the win.

Winner: John Cena

- Cena hits the turnbuckles to pose for the fans as Cole looks on worried from the announcers table. Cena is ready for Cole to get in the ring now for their No DQ match.

No DQ Match: John Cena vs. Michael Cole

The bell rings as Cole gets up. He hesitates before taking off over the fan barrier and through the crowd. Cena chases him down and brings him back to the ring.

Cole keeps trying to run off but Cena catches him and brings it in the ring. Cole grabs a mic and pleads with Cena. He says they go way back and are good friends. Cole says they can shake hands like friends do. Cole takes off his jacket and his tie. He's upset now. Cole asks Cena how embarrassing it's going to be when Cole beats him live on RAW. Cole continues taunting Cena and gets in his face. Cena rips Cole's shirt open and gives him a big chop to the chest. Cena rips Cole's pants off and then his shirt. Cena stomps Cole between the legs before taking him to the corner for another big chop.

Cena makes Cole apologize to Jerry Lawler for earlier comments. Cena then makes Cole apologize to Jim Ross for what's happened in the past. Cole says he's sorry over and over. Cena makes Cole plug JR's BBQ sauce next. Lawler just happens to have a few bottles at ringside. Cena hits Cole with the mic and goes out for the bottles of BBQ. Cena gives Cole a JR's BBQ bath and goes under the ring for a fire extinguisher. Cena cools Cole down with the extinguisher as the crowd cheers. Cole gets to his feet and Cena goes for the Attitude Adjustment. Before he can hit it, Tensai hits the ring and lays Cena out. Cole takes advantage and covers Cena but he kicks out at 2.

Cole slaps at Cena and yells at him. Cole grabs the fire extinguisher and charges at Cena with it but Cena catches him with the Attitude Adjustment for the win.

Winner: John Cena

- After the match, Cena celebrates and sprays the extinguisher some more. Cole is trying to recover on the outside as we go to replays. Cena finds Cole on the floor and sprays him some more with the extinguisher as RAW goes off the air.

Source:nodq.com

I have to say that the WWE is being more hypocritical than usual.

Cena is standing up to the bully John Laurentinus?

By picking a fight with a commentator? Humiliating him? WWE has got this story so arsebackwards its unreal.

I actually felt uncomfortable watching the cole/ cena match.

Terrible.

only watched it in bits before work, will watch it properly tonight

Would've liked Dolphs loss to be as a result of Vickie (or even swagger coming down) and costing ziggler a win teasing a potential split following last week

main event was pointless, why after show has been getting some serious heat recently, not even at the show? Tease he wasn't there and then him to interfere in the no DQ match with Cole

This whole thing with AJ is just weird, given that she looks 12

If the Cena angle was taken out, WWE would be looking pretty good right now, but it's ruined by not only including a ridiculous storyline with unpopular people but it's highlighted as the main story.

Where was Big Show? I thought the story was supposed to be about him?

Why have they dropped the Lesnar angle? I understand that he has a limited number of dates in his contract, but why start building a big angle with Triple H and then just drop it straight away.

I can only assume that they were trying to make Cena more popular by putting him against the more unpopular Cole. That is a sad state of affairs.

I too felt uncomfortable watching the Cole/Cena match. Cena's 'comedy' just get's worse and more cringy every week. We've done the whole humiliate Cole thing, let's just move on. The BBQ sauce again, the MAIN EVENT, dear me.

Nice to see Hawkins and Reks getting some match time on the main show, that's what I call a proper Tag Team.

I thought this would be the week like Gaz said that Ziggler turns on Vickie and Swagger, especially in a big match vs Sheamus. Some interference costing Ziggler the match, then Ziggler hits Swagger with the zig zag.

I also agree with Crimey, they've completely dropped two storylines out of nowhere, you can't do that its stupid, you start building them up and start going somewhere then bang off the show.

AJ is creepy, and I know she's gonna get involved in the title match somehow unfortunately. Wish the days where SEXY divas would seduce wrestlers and then cost them matches would return, not some crazed obsessed 12 year old girl acting very weird around the guys.

The Sheamus vs Dolph Ziggler match, was acctually a very enjoyable match IMO But it is a shame they diddnt continue to get Dolph away from Swagger and Vickie. Even done somthing backstage were Swagger accusess him of being the weak link in the team or somthing.

Getting a bit bored of Ryback beating these nobodys. He needs to start beating better wrestlers not just Heath Slaters, Derieck Batemans, Darren Youngs etc. Give him a bit of a feud. Maybe with Tensai.

CM Punk vs Kane was another good match. Its a good angle with AJ but she is the wrong diva. She isnt that hot and she looks about 13. Should use Beth, Layla, Eve even Kelly Kelly maybe. I think AJ Could screw Punk at No Way Out but to assist Kane or Daniel Bryan i dont know. Maybe Bryan then they could become a heel power couple.

MR Mcmahon returning next week on Raw acctually looking forward to seeing this. Maybe bringing the HHH Lesnar angle back into it.

John Cena vs Tensai/Cole 2 awfull matches. What a crap end to the show.

no wonder raw is getting ratings of less than a 3.0 lately when they have cena in 2 matches which were both boring to watch and that weird aj thing i dont even know what that is.

ok aj tonight when your out there when you see kane 1st we need you to be terrified then after that act like a horney 19 year old who hasn't had it in months.

shame that the dolph splitting up and going on his own thing is being put on the backburner in favour of super cena handing tensai his 1st loss since returning.

You're all missing the subtle signs from RAW.

They have Lauraunitis on a mobility scooter. We have Cole getting torn out of his clothes in the middle of the ring.

Ric Flair is coming back to WWE! Fair enough, it's not the wheelchair Flair that we all love, but WWE can afford a mobility Scooter so he's getting an upgrade!. He probably had to provide his own Wheelchair in TNA (Stolen from a local hospital.)

Even the BBQ sauce hints to it. This is the WWE's PG Era substitute for Flair's blading.

Remember...you heard it here first.

Dont forget we had wheelchair Angle before wheelchair flair.

Maybe Kurt is coming back too!

And Batista!

A very up & down show in my opinion...

The John Cena character is just nauseating. Why is he back to this dorky happy go lucky geek? He should be showing a more intense side considering Big Show has been running over half the roster last week, he just doesn't seem to care.

Two good matches Sheamus vs Ziggler was fine but this is a time to build Ziggler up to push into the main event especially with Orton & Jericho suspended. They could of found someone else to stare at the lights for The Great White. Kane Punk was also enjoyable I like Aj's involvement it adds intrigue with the possibility she could side with either of the 3 men in the main event.

Cole Cena was abysmal, when is the title gonna be more important than what Supercena is doing? But I'm guessing due to last weeks shocking rating they thought they'd have to position Cena in all the key segments & have him beating up the heel commentator would send home the fans happy.

Where was any follow up from last weeks beatings from Big Show? I'd of like to off seen follow up for Brodus Clay showing a more aggressive side with perhaps him challenging Show this week. He's character needs to evolve from the comedy dance act if he's gonna be taken seriously.

Nice to see a botch free Sin Cara match but again where was the build up? I had no idea he'd be returning this week?

I fear for the move to 3 hours the writing team seem shot to pieces at the minute & I can only see the product being more diluted when they extend it by an hour

Okay, I'll be in the minority - I enjoyed the Cena/Cole stuff. It doesn't add to any storyline, other than WWE making Cena chirpy whilst his soon to be ex-wife tries to take him to the cleaners.

Whilst Cena and Cole was not my idea of fun, the fans in the arena were lapping it up, and over the past few weeks, those boos for Cena have all but disappeared.

So a job well done by the WWE. Because while it was interesting for a while, you can't have a face who is booed, that's just stupid and counter-productive to any story.

Does anyone else groan when Tensai's music hits?
I thought I'd give him a chance... I was willing to buy into him... but he is just Albert with biro on his face.

Tensai is considered a major flop by wwe, so much so big show has taken his spot in this current beef with Cena.

I wonder if they are working away from the Tensai thing though, what with him pushing his jap friend and all that.

The main event was just worrying. Imagine a new fan tuning in, a muscular white man who pretends to be a white rapper is beating a fat man that looks a bit like a rat before a man with biro on his face that thinks he is Japanese interrupts him then for a man who thinks he is a king throws in some BBQ sauce for the white rapper to cover the rat with who is now rolling around in his underwear. Does someone on the creative team actually write this with a straight face?

And also the only thing that comes to my head when Ryback shouts ' Feed me more' is if he is asking the doctors for more steroids.

Ryback: FEED ME MORE!
Doctor: Are you sure? You already took enough for a whole lifetime
Ryback: (in his growling uninterpretable voice) MORE!

On a serious note the Kane v Punk match was very good for a TV match and it proves how much better Kane has become in the ring recently the fact he can still go with an athletic young(ish) star.

I also hated that Cena completely ignored the perfectly reasonable argument by the big show from last week. And also the star of ' B A Star' was bullying at his finest the other night by picking a weak announcer as his opponent and then humiliating him.

It was rubbish in my book. I was fearful for Extreme Rules but it was a good PPV. Over the Limit looked even worse booked but bar the main event was surprised at how good it was. No Way Out though I'm dreading.

After a good period WWE is back to being absolute rubbish in the main. The last few weeks I've been very uninterested in whats going on. Very dissapointing after I thought they had turned a corner.

Let's be fair to the WWE here, the "good period" that everyone is going on about was Wrestlemania season. So already there is going to be a natural decline afterwards. That's before you break down what was so awesome about Wrestlemania season to find that;

- The Rock has not seen or heard from since winning in the main event at Wrestlemania... surprise, surprise.

- Chris Jericho is suspended

- For whatever reason, Triple H is hardly seen.

- The Undertaker, as is now custom, is not around.

- Randy Orton suspended.

- Brock Lesnar - for whatever reason, is nowhere to be seen.

- John Cena - has absolutely no credible opponent if he stays away from the title scene (which is what everybody wants), so now Lesnar is nowhere to be seen, he seems to exclusively fight fat people and non-wrestlers, because if he beats anyone else the boo-brigade will call "SuperCena"

- Wade Barrett is injured.

I think their hands are pretty tied by unfortunate circumstance, talent stupidity and "legend" egotism here. And I think they are putting on a decent enough show when considering this.

Ryback is starting to remind me of Bane from the Batman comics he's that juiced.

Are WWE shooting themselves in the foot for when Ryback gets a wellness suspension?

Where is Kelly Kelly?

Taking time off and potentially never returning I read the other day.

Raw was an utter farce, They need to pull the trigger with Ziggler (didnt mean the rhyming there lol) He's head and shoulders above some of the other talent.

It doesnt even seem like they are slow building it (like what they did with batista and evolution)

It just seems like one week they remeber storylines and then the next week they forget about what happend the week before.

I understand what Electric Demon is saying about wrestlemania season but you would think after that and know Rock wont be there, Brock is on selective dates and Jericho was going on tour they would start to build up the mid carders ie Ziggler and Rhodes to take there places

think im just ranting now as im bored at work lol

Its about time for another high profile return or debut

AntLord wrote:Its about time for another high profile return or debut

like who?

See poll - Im going Flair or Batista though!

AntLord wrote:Its about time for another high profile return or debut

nothing like long term booking - good plan

I'm no TNA fan but i'd go as far as saying the booking of Impact is more consistent & logical than both Raw and Smackdown of late. Its woeful.

I also dont hold out much hope for Dean Ambrose, Kassius Ohno & Antonio Cesaro. Sure they are super talented but what good is that if creative couldnt book a taxi?

What has been inconsistent or illogical?

Nothing springs to mind

Electric Demon wrote:What has been inconsistent or illogical?

Nothing springs to mind

John Cena and his goofyness,

Nothing inconsistent or illogical as such just no real storylines have been booked what feuds are there bar Bryan and Punk. Big Show and Cena haven't really got going at each other yet and Del Rio v Sheamus hasn't really kicked in to life yet. Ziggler is on the edge of something but not sure if they will pull the trigger as has already been said. Not really much depth there.

That's not inconsistent nor illogical Bret.
That's his character, has been for years, you just don't like it.
You not liking it doesn't = illogical
I don't like Chocolate Spread - but as a concept I cannot flaw it

I don't mind the new (but also old) Big Show, and his heel turn has actually been carried off well in terms of how he is playing it - I credit him for that, he's much better heel than face.

The only genuine issue I have with WWE right now is that it shouldn't be top of the card and the focal point at the beginning and end of each show. I much prefer to see the WWE title featured in that spot, and I can't remember when it was last portrayed as the most important part of the show.

Aside from that Cena has been grating on me with his comedy matches and promos recently. I'm a fan of his and I like his work - but the last few weeks it's been dire, and I struggle to watch some of it.

Philidelphia chocolate spread is illogical.

For me, the Sheamus-Del Rio storyline will never get over with the fans. As much of a fan I am of Del Rio's in ring work, he doesn't command the mic and neither does Sheamus, who a bit like Orton, for aren't capable of playing the face role, or at least playing it well.

I would have enjoyed the Orton-Jericho feud, have Orton go over Y2J and turn heel on Sheamus, taking the title at some point in the year.

Hero wrote:Philidelphia chocolate spread is illogical.

More immoral than illogical for me...

I really want Ziggler to get to the top of the tree Zoot, I think he's quality and he's probably my favourite guy in WWE at the moment. But I can't help but think he's backed himself into a corner.
Because if you put a lot of work and development into your ability to sell finishers... you're kind of tempting fate a little.
You'll never be the top guy if you are great at putting people over.

I think even though people are saying you can't just throw Ziggler into the main event scene, based on his in ring skills I'd say you can, especially without Y2J and Orton available for a few weeks. I'd like to see him get involved in the WHC feud as there is no need for more interference in what looks like being one of the best feuds in a long time between Bryan and Punk.

Electric Demon wrote:That's not inconsistent nor illogical Bret.
That's his character, has been for years, you just don't like it.
You not liking it doesn't = illogical
I don't like Chocolate Spread - but as a concept I cannot flaw it

Got ya

You can be better at putting people over though if you have tasted gold though. He doesn't need to be the best just be seen to be up there with them. Would have booked him to leave team vickie and go after Del Rio. have Ziggler as a face being the All American that Swagger claims to be seting up a potential Swagger v Ziggler later on.

Sheamus would be better off facing somone who the crowd really don't like. Which is where the problem lies no depth in talent right now. Are there any decent heels now Jericho isn't around?


Ok on reflection there is Cody Rhodes but he is still tied up facing Christian. I know I'm also saying that Ziggler should turn face and saying there is a lack of heels but I fell he needs a change if he is going to get a decent push.

Electric Demon wrote:I really want Ziggler to get to the top of the tree Zoot, I think he's quality and he's probably my favourite guy in WWE at the moment. But I can't help but think he's backed himself into a corner.
Because if you put a lot of work and development into your ability to sell finishers... you're kind of tempting fate a little.
You'll never be the top guy if you are great at putting people over.

Not neciseraly (dont know how to spell that)

The hardy's were looked at that way in the beggining, great at selling moves, im sure i saw something where Shawn Michaels was talking how the guys at the topped loved working with them because it made them look awesome, didnt hold them back. Drugs did lol

bretmeharty wrote:

Electric Demon wrote:That's not inconsistent nor illogical Bret.
That's his character, has been for years, you just don't like it.
You not liking it doesn't = illogical
I don't like Chocolate Spread - but as a concept I cannot flaw it

Got ya

You couldn't get me on a week of Tuesdays

Electric Demon wrote:

bretmeharty wrote:

Electric Demon wrote:That's not inconsistent nor illogical Bret.
That's his character, has been for years, you just don't like it.
You not liking it doesn't = illogical
I don't like Chocolate Spread - but as a concept I cannot flaw it

Got ya

You couldn't get me on a week of Tuesdays

A week of Tuesdays now that's just illogical.

Electric Demon wrote:

bretmeharty wrote:

Electric Demon wrote:That's not inconsistent nor illogical Bret.
That's his character, has been for years, you just don't like it.
You not liking it doesn't = illogical
I don't like Chocolate Spread - but as a concept I cannot flaw it

Got ya

You couldn't get me on a week of Tuesdays

Im sensing your a bit up tight, anything you wanna let of your chest Demon

I think you can't win with people.
They don't want Cena to be in the title scene, or going over everyone, so he gets moved out of the title scene, and fights a "newcomer", Brock, the GM and a Commentator (in two light hearted matches), so he's not burying any of the mid-tier or title challengers, and still everyone complains.

I swear this place is on TNA's payroll of late

My main gripe is that Cena main events PPVs against Laurinitis and Show when these matches should be lower on the card to allow title matches to be the main event.

That, for me, is illogical.

I think "The IWC" should learn to take what is being offered to them.

WWE have given in to the demands for Punk vs Bryan, they are just not putting it top billing. And rightfully so - there is no real emotion in it, it's a very typical indy match-up. A very good, absorbing match - but the story isn't there. It's lacking. It's not really "entertainment".

At least they are giving the whinge brigade the match they wanted. Who cares where it is on the card?!?

Electric Demon wrote:I think "The IWC" should learn to take what is being offered to them.

WWE have given in to the demands for Punk vs Bryan, they are just not putting it top billing. And rightfully so - there is no real emotion in it, it's a very typical indy match-up. A very good, absorbing match - but the story isn't there. It's lacking. It's not really "entertainment".

At least they are giving the whinge brigade the match they wanted. Who cares where it is on the card?!?

The WWE/WHC titles should be the pinnacle of every wrestlers career. Why should the poster boy main event against an over weight, awful wrestler when like you said a very good wrestling match for the main title be the match before it. It should always be the main event.

Electric Demon wrote:I think you can't win with people.
They don't want Cena to be in the title scene, or going over everyone, so he gets moved out of the title scene, and fights a "newcomer", Brock, the GM and a Commentator (in two light hearted matches), so he's not burying any of the mid-tier or title challengers, and still everyone complains.

I swear this place is on TNA's payroll of late

Demon, he may be out of the title picture but it is still the John Cena comedy show on raw, he seems to be the only thing that matters on the show because sure as hell the titles and champions dont matter. Can you imagine the uproar and field day people would be having if TNA'S title wasn't the focal point of the show and instead it was Hogan and Sting etc. Raw seems to be abount 1 thing, John Cena's journey and once he decides he wants the title back, that will be the only time the title will be the focus.