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Post by Seanusarrilius Tue 12 Jun 2012, 4:14 pm

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Honestly, the fight wasn't that interesting. I would rather see Pac retire or fight JMM for a fourth time.

Who actually wants this rematch?

I can only assume that the reason people want this rematch to happen is so Pac can right the L on his record. But, if this is the case, Marquez should get two more v Pac until he levels it as he likely won two of the three bouts they had.


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Post by azania Wed 13 Jun 2012, 10:15 am

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mobilemaster8 wrote:I just dont see how you have Abraham the same as Margarito when Margarito had been battered by Mosley and then fought some bum within an 18 month period before Pacquiao agreed to fight.

Clottey and Johnson dont really compare when you look at who Johnsons has fought:

Hopkins, Bute, Froch, Jones Jr, Tarver, Ottke etc etc. May be old, but been around the block and only really lost to top quality fighters


Id only agree with Mosley - Taylor comparison. Both looked on the decline and it proved correct in their respective fights.


I also think that the Dirrell comment is irrelavant as Pacquiao lost against Bradley and did not win.


You could do your own thread and have this:


Who has fought the better opposition over the past 4 years and why?

Pacquiao vs Froch



I bet 80% say Froch has faced better.


I accept your opinion and im not disputing the fact that Pacquiao is a legendary fighter, i just believe he has been hyped up over the years with this 8 weight world champ crap, when 2 of them were catch weight fights. One against a drained Cotto and one against a bum who didnt even deserve a shot at the WBC vacant title!

Sounds like Canelo there.

Or Chavez Jr

Definitely Chavez Jnr

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Post by azania Wed 13 Jun 2012, 10:18 am

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Funny after one loss a fighters record gets scrutinised.

Where were all these Pacquiao were was never that good articles before he lost a close split decision to Bradley.

Just a few members trying to make a name for themselves here and not looking very good doing it. You know its bad when Az agrees with you.

I'm not one of those "I like Flomo there I hate Pac" type of posters. I have always been highly critical of Pac's opponents in that they appear to be tailor made for his style or simply washed up (SSM). I have said ever since the Cotto fight that the weight stip hindered Cotto (why add it if it wasn't designed to hinder him). I have been consistent in this and no looking for the next bandwagon to jump on.

Moreover I have said that Pac beat Tim regardless of what the judges saw. Pac is an excellent fighter and has done a remarkable achievement in winning at so many weights. Probably never to be done again. But when you put yourself up there, prepare to have your achievement scrutinised. Ditto Floyd.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Wed 13 Jun 2012, 10:25 am

azania wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Funny after one loss a fighters record gets scrutinised.

Where were all these Pacquiao were was never that good articles before he lost a close split decision to Bradley.

Just a few members trying to make a name for themselves here and not looking very good doing it. You know its bad when Az agrees with you.

I'm not one of those "I like Flomo there I hate Pac" type of posters. I have always been highly critical of Pac's opponents in that they appear to be tailor made for his style or simply washed up (SSM). I have said ever since the Cotto fight that the weight stip hindered Cotto (why add it if it wasn't designed to hinder him). I have been consistent in this and no looking for the next bandwagon to jump on.

Moreover I have said that Pac beat Tim regardless of what the judges saw. Pac is an excellent fighter and has done a remarkable achievement in winning at so many weights. Probably never to be done again. But when you put yourself up there, prepare to have your achievement scrutinised. Ditto Floyd.

My argument is the same. In fact, im sure Roach is quoted as saying he had to weight stip some opponents to benefit Pacquiao!

Im in agreement that Pacquiao is a fantastic fighter, one in a million really, but will always (in my eyes) be overshadowed by the stips and opponents he has fought in the latter stage of his career.

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Post by Fists of Fury Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:32 am

Discrediting some fine, fine wins, that is why I believe it to be drivel. It is ridiculous the slant that some people put on wins such as Cotto 3 years ago...

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Post by mobilemaster8 Wed 13 Jun 2012, 11:58 am

Cotto was forced to put his title on the line at a catchweight. Thats probably why.

Arum was quoted saying that if Cotto does not, then he will more then likely be stripped.


Yeh thats fair.

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Post by azania Wed 13 Jun 2012, 12:21 pm

Fists of Fury wrote:Discrediting some fine, fine wins, that is why I believe it to be drivel. It is ridiculous the slant that some people put on wins such as Cotto 3 years ago...

Of course you are entitled to your opinion which I think in turn is drivel. I've said for a long time that the Cotto win is tainted because of the weight stip. I don't see why I should change my mind because a great fighter like Manny is coming to the end of a great career.

People keep banging about this 1lb but ignoring the reason why it was forced on Cotto and the financial penalties if he came over 145.

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Post by TheMackemMawler Wed 13 Jun 2012, 5:08 pm

88Chris05 wrote:
TheMackemMawler wrote:Mayweathers destruction of Hatton was by far more impressive. Manny hit Hatton with a wild swing thrown from the ground that would have knocked out a horse. Impressive punch yes. Impressive performance?.. to a degree.

Whether or not Mayweather's win over Hatton was superior to Manny's is irrelevant. I'm not arguing whose win was better, I'm simply highlighting that Pacquiao's win over Hatton, from any angle you look at it from, is was a truly excellent one, and one which he deserves full credit for. Pacquiao's demolition of Cotto was a better performance and achievement, for me, than Mayweather's victory over the same man, but that doesn't change the fact that it was still an excellent win for Floyd, and one for which he deserves a great deal of credit and acclaim.

Only an impressive performance "to a degree", you say? What does it take to please you? How many other divisional number ones, who have been regarded as such for as long as Hatton was, have been obliterated in such a manner over the past couple of decades? And of those, how many of them were obliterated by a man who'd previously never even fought in that weight class?

It's nothing new in boxing, and so I shouldn't be surprised, but I can't help but be taken aback by the sway in judgement on Pacquiao over the past year or so - the backlash from his fortunate decision against Marquez and his workmanlike performances against Mosley and Bradley has been ridiculous. How anyone can be so dismissive of his win over Hatton is beyond me, to be honest.



I mean, the fight was too short to judge performance because it was cut short by a very impressive punch. The victory over Cotto was immense though I am unsure as to whether Cotto's performance was not impeded. A rematch with Cotto (after Bradley) at an agreed weight, perhaps?

Also, I think people need to read my comments on how high I regard Manny
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Post by TheMackemMawler Wed 13 Jun 2012, 5:14 pm

And for the record, mobile and Az are correct and fistoffury is talking drivel.

also...touch black can't take back!!
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Post by Seanusarrilius Wed 13 Jun 2012, 6:34 pm

Glad to see some "No" votes being cast

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Post by tunes666 Sat 16 Jun 2012, 6:23 pm

Seanusarrilius wrote:Honestly, the fight wasn't that interesting. I would rather see Pac retire or fight JMM for a fourth time.

Who actually wants this rematch?

I can only assume that the reason people want this rematch to happen is so Pac can right the L on his record. But, if this is the case, Marquez should get two more v Pac until he levels it as he likely won two of the three bouts they had.

probably be the same outcome with maybe Manny stopping Bradley in the late rounds due to working that bit harder and wanting to make sure.. I would rather he fought Floyd, lots of money to be made for Floyd against a P4P champ, even if he did loose why all of a sudden would Floyd rate Ortis, Mosley, and Cotto all better than Pac Man, get that fight on I say.

While Manny is fading, Floyd is also showing one or two signs and might show it on the night, so its still an interesting fight...

No grudge against Bradley, he knows he did not win the fight, so just needs to make one or two tough defenses and his career will still be in great shape..


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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 16 Jun 2012, 6:30 pm

BadLeftHook say the Marquez rematch is more likely. They are usually quite reliable.

http://www.badlefthook.com/
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Post by azania Sat 16 Jun 2012, 6:33 pm

SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:BadLeftHook say the Marquez rematch is more likely. They are usually quite reliable.

http://www.badlefthook.com/

He'll lose.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat 16 Jun 2012, 6:37 pm

azania wrote:
SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:BadLeftHook say the Marquez rematch is more likely. They are usually quite reliable.

http://www.badlefthook.com/

He'll lose.

Probably in everyone else's opinion but the judges. Marquez just has his number.
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