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New World Order
by maestegmafia Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:12 pm
1st SA
2nd NZ
3rd Wales
4th Argentina
5th Ireland
6th France
7th England
8th Australia
9th Scotland
10th Samoa
11th Fiji
12th Italy
That's the results of the Under 20s Rugby World Cup just finished.
Will this be reflected in five years time in the IRB rankings.
2nd NZ
3rd Wales
4th Argentina
5th Ireland
6th France
7th England
8th Australia
9th Scotland
10th Samoa
11th Fiji
12th Italy
That's the results of the Under 20s Rugby World Cup just finished.
Will this be reflected in five years time in the IRB rankings.
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Re: New World Order
by wales606 Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:23 pm
Not too far off from the actual rankings, although Aus are a bit of an anomaly.
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Re: New World Order
by Sgt_Pooly Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:25 pm
Poor year for the AB's, Austrailia & England.
"Will this be reflected in five years time in the IRB rankings"
Pretty sure this will not be the case. England have possibly been the 2nd best team in the world at U20 level over the last 4/5 years and we're still a fair way off being a top 3 side.
"Will this be reflected in five years time in the IRB rankings"
Pretty sure this will not be the case. England have possibly been the 2nd best team in the world at U20 level over the last 4/5 years and we're still a fair way off being a top 3 side.
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Re: New World Order
by Cryptoyourisan Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:58 pm
Scotland are just about in the right place at least.
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Re: New World Order
by Guest Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:11 pm
New World Order??????????
Maestegmafia a puppet for the illuminate?
Maestegmafia a puppet for the illuminate?
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Re: New World Order
by maestegmafia Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:54 pm
viewtothegym wrote:New World Order??????????
Maestegmafia a puppet for the illuminate?
Lay off the dan brown view mate...!
Ha ha ha
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Re: New World Order
by emack2 Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:41 pm
Hardly Ireland beat the Baby Boks,this was THE weakest Baby Blacks side ever.Even so they still reached the final ,England are consistently the best in the NH .
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Re: New World Order
by Taylorman Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:31 am
This was about one close match. Rankings are about consistency. Only one country comes close to fitting that description- at each and all forms of the game.
Good try though...
Good try though...
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Re: New World Order
by fa0019 Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:04 am
Well given at best 3 or 4 players from each side per JRWC year tend to get capped by the test side I doubt the JRWC has a big impact on future results.
Even up to U20 rugby, size and strength is so important... probably why AUS (the weakest front five in tier 1 rugby) do not match their senior squad i terms of results... and previously why the boks were constantly outmuscled by ENG & NZ at this level (until this year).
AUS in 5 years time will still have players like Beale, O'Connor, Genia, Tomane, Ioane and Cooper all under 30. And thats just their backline.
They will in all probability not drop out of the top 4.
Even up to U20 rugby, size and strength is so important... probably why AUS (the weakest front five in tier 1 rugby) do not match their senior squad i terms of results... and previously why the boks were constantly outmuscled by ENG & NZ at this level (until this year).
AUS in 5 years time will still have players like Beale, O'Connor, Genia, Tomane, Ioane and Cooper all under 30. And thats just their backline.
They will in all probability not drop out of the top 4.
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Re: New World Order
by wales606 Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:11 am
fa0019 wrote:Well given at best 3 or 4 players from each side per JRWC year tend to get capped by the test side I doubt the JRWC has a big impact on future results.
Even up to U20 rugby, size and strength is so important... probably why AUS (the weakest front five in tier 1 rugby) do not match their senior squad i terms of results... and previously why the boks were constantly outmuscled by ENG & NZ at this level (until this year).
AUS in 5 years time will still have players like Beale, O'Connor, Genia, Tomane, Ioane and Cooper all under 30. And thats just their backline.
They will in all probability not drop out of the top 4.
The last welsh team to reach the 1/4s had Warburton, Tipuric, Halfpenny and JD2 in it, they have had a huge impact on Wales internationally. As well as Rhys Webb, Dan Biggar, Josh Turnball, Ryan Bevington and Scott Andrews.
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Re: New World Order
by Breadvan Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:13 am
maestegmafia wrote:1st SA
2nd NZ
3rd Wales
4th Argentina
5th Ireland
6th France
7th England
8th Australia
9th Scotland
10th Samoa
11th Fiji
12th Italy
That's the results of the Under 20s Rugby World Cup just finished.
I doubt that...How many make the full transition to the seniors? The top 2 will remain the same, the rest is up for grabs..
Will this be reflected in five years time in the IRB rankings.
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Re: New World Order
by kiakahaaotearoa Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:16 am
3 players from last years JWC appeared for the ABs today: Rettalick, Cane and Barrett. Not too many over the hill players for the ABs. Plenty of players coming through.
Well done to SA for a deserved victory yesterday. No doubt they look very strong but really we already knew that. Wales will be heartened by their results as will Ireland. But the world order is decided with the national squad. Players can bulk up and move up in skillset from junior rugby.
Well done to SA for a deserved victory yesterday. No doubt they look very strong but really we already knew that. Wales will be heartened by their results as will Ireland. But the world order is decided with the national squad. Players can bulk up and move up in skillset from junior rugby.
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Re: New World Order
by SecretFly Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:03 pm
If it was a stream of players flowing effortlessly up through the grades to International level then you might begin to see links to U20 performances and what might be coming down the line at Senior International level.
But, of course, that doesn't happen. Career ending injuries cut into the list, unrecoverable fall-off in form cut into the list, the previous season's crop or the approaching crop add competiveness for places by the time the Senior positions are being handed out - and - most important of all - you could be unfortunate to be in totally the wrong cycle of senior team building. Senior players who have proven worth stick around and keep younger players out. It doesn't take long for all those factors to dilute the significance of one U20 side's one season of potential.
But, of course, that doesn't happen. Career ending injuries cut into the list, unrecoverable fall-off in form cut into the list, the previous season's crop or the approaching crop add competiveness for places by the time the Senior positions are being handed out - and - most important of all - you could be unfortunate to be in totally the wrong cycle of senior team building. Senior players who have proven worth stick around and keep younger players out. It doesn't take long for all those factors to dilute the significance of one U20 side's one season of potential.
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Re: New World Order
by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:52 pm
England finished second in 2008 ...hows that been working out for them since?
Whats that, they just dropped their wonderkid number 8 for a fat old kiwi you say?
Good luck with your new world order.
Whats that, they just dropped their wonderkid number 8 for a fat old kiwi you say?
Good luck with your new world order.
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Re: New World Order
by gowales Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:54 pm
As long as Australia have Super Rugby they'll always be up there
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Re: New World Order
by maestegmafia Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:11 pm
SecretFly wrote:If it was a stream of players flowing effortlessly up through the grades to International level then you might begin to see links to U20 performances and what might be coming down the line at Senior International level.
But, of course, that doesn't happen. Career ending injuries cut into the list, unrecoverable fall-off in form cut into the list, the previous season's crop or the approaching crop add competiveness for places by the time the Senior positions are being handed out - and - most important of all - you could be unfortunate to be in totally the wrong cycle of senior team building. Senior players who have proven worth stick around and keep younger players out. It doesn't take long for all those factors to dilute the significance of one U20 side's one season of potential.
3/4s of the welsh team today have played at the junior rugby world cup.
That shows how well Wales are converting youthful promise into senior internationals.
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Re: New World Order
by nganboy Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:56 am
Yeah but their senior ranking is 6th. Does that mean that they will get worse as they get older? 
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Re: New World Order
by HERSH Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:58 am
Some of you sound like you're clutching at straws these rankings mean nothing in the grand scale of things, as it's how the players are brought through and developed by their own unions systems, this is where normal service will be resumed and the big 3 SH teams will come out on top with England, France, Argentina etc chasing the pack.
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Re: New World Order
by Barney McGrew did it Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:00 am
Meet the new world order
Same as the old world order
Same as the old world order
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Re: New World Order
by marty2086 Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:06 am
maestegmafia wrote:SecretFly wrote:If it was a stream of players flowing effortlessly up through the grades to International level then you might begin to see links to U20 performances and what might be coming down the line at Senior International level.
But, of course, that doesn't happen. Career ending injuries cut into the list, unrecoverable fall-off in form cut into the list, the previous season's crop or the approaching crop add competiveness for places by the time the Senior positions are being handed out - and - most important of all - you could be unfortunate to be in totally the wrong cycle of senior team building. Senior players who have proven worth stick around and keep younger players out. It doesn't take long for all those factors to dilute the significance of one U20 side's one season of potential.
3/4s of the welsh team today have played at the junior rugby world cup.
That shows how well Wales are converting youthful promise into senior internationals.
And 1 or 2 of the Welsh u20 side have been capped by the seniors already
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Re: New World Order
by beshocked Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:10 am
Maestegmafia definitely clutching at straws.
Remind us what happened in the U20s 6 nations.
Remind us what happened in the U20s 6 nations.
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Re: New World Order
by maestegmafia Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:33 am
beshocked wrote:Maestegmafia definitely clutching at straws.
Remind us what happened in the U20s 6 nations.
We didn't pick our best players and rotated our squad every game trying to work out who we would use for the JRWC.
Seemed to work well. We came third and became the first team ever to beat the Junior ABs.
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Re: New World Order
by sugarNspikes Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:41 am
6th to 3rd would be quite a leap for the senior Welsh side.
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Re: New World Order
by Luckless Pedestrian Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:44 am
This is not the new world order.
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Re: New World Order
by sugarNspikes Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:47 am
But the New World Order hasn't happened yet. So it could be, but unlikely.Luckless Pedestrian wrote:This is not the new world order.
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Re: New World Order
by Guest Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:48 am
Top 2 are about right. Most u20 players just become also ran club players don't they? Some make it big, most don't.
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Re: New World Order
by beshocked Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:48 am
maestegmafia wrote:beshocked wrote:Maestegmafia definitely clutching at straws.
Remind us what happened in the U20s 6 nations.
We didn't pick our best players and rotated our squad every game trying to work out who we would use for the JRWC.
Seemed to work well. We came third and became the first team ever to beat the Junior ABs.
Always an excuse with you Welsh.
When you have as easy a pool as Wales had it's hardly a surprise they got to the semi. Even if they hadn't beaten the ABs they were likely to rack up the bonus points needed.
Losing to Ireland in the 5th place playoff? Who cares? We won the important matches in the pool stages and 6 nations.
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Re: New World Order
by Luckless Pedestrian Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:52 am
sugarNspikes wrote:But the New World Order hasn't happened yet. So it could be, but unlikely.Luckless Pedestrian wrote:This is not the new world order.
Surely the New World Order is shown in the latest IRB rankings? It's the future world order that hasn't happened yet.
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Re: New World Order
by sugarNspikes Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:54 am
Mean Mr Maesteg did say in five years time though.Luckless Pedestrian wrote:sugarNspikes wrote:But the New World Order hasn't happened yet. So it could be, but unlikely.Luckless Pedestrian wrote:This is not the new world order.
Surely the New World Order is shown in the latest IRB rankings? It's the future world order that hasn't happened yet.
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Re: New World Order
by Luckless Pedestrian Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:58 am
Keeps a ten-bob note up his nose...
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Re: New World Order
by beshocked Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:59 am
Wales need to show they can consistently win in the U20s 6 nations with England,Ireland and France before they can claim to be one of the best U20s sides in the world.
The win against the All Blacks was an upset - these things happen.
The win against the All Blacks was an upset - these things happen.
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Re: New World Order
by sugarNspikes Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:59 am
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Keeps a ten-bob note up his nose...
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Re: New World Order
by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:10 pm
The news out of that tournament gets worse all the time 
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/7167992/Baby-Blacks-Cuddle in a bad way-claim-Police-await-forensic-results
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/7167992/Baby-Blacks-Cuddle in a bad way-claim-Police-await-forensic-results
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Re: New World Order
by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:11 pm
Kiwireddevil wrote:The news out of that tournament gets worse all the time
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/7167992/Baby-Blacks-Cuddle in a bad way-claim-Police-await-forensic-results
And yes I did just get caught out by the bad words filter.
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Re: New World Order
by marty2086 Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:12 pm
beshocked wrote:Wales need to show they can consistently win in the U20s 6 nations with England,Ireland and France before they can claim to be one of the best U20s sides in the world.
The win against the All Blacks was an upset - these things happen.
The Baby Blacks showed up Wales defiencies in the semis they relied too much on the kick chase and NZ ripped them apart especially in the 2nd half though Ireland and Wales both lost less games this year than the ABs
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