Refs-taking the blame

As usual, people always talk about the referees. I want to point out that there is a difference between blaming the ref for the result (the loss) and another is the criticism of a referee.

Now criticising a referee is perfectly normal, I do it all the time. Just in the same way as we criticise players, refs can have a good or a bad game. And whilst they are only human and it is understandable that they make mistakes sometime refs can have a ver poor game.
however, when a ref has a bad game, I comment during the game that; whatever the result, the ref is poor. They usually don't show bias for a side, they just make poor decisions.

Blaming a referee is completely different. Most of the time, blaming the referee is completely out of order. When a team (or better said the supporters of a team) blame the ref for the result, their team pretty much always wasn't perfect either and without the mistakes from a team in the first place, it would rarely matter what the ref did.

However, there will always be cases when the ref is to blame, for a very poor game, which costs a team a win. but its very rare. also, in the final minutes of a game decisions of a referee become much more important, in the same way as it is for the players. for example in rome in 2007, i will never forget how the referee confirmed that there was time for the lineout, only to blow the final whistle as soon as the ball was kicked into touch. Wales would have drawn with the kick to goal or possibly won from the lineout. THAT, for me, is when you can blame the referee. In most games, you only really have a right to criticise the refs performance, not blame the result on him.

well by your definitions you can never blame a ref, as in every match if the team had performed better or made less mistakes, then those decisions wouldnt have as much of a bearing on the match.

However i think last weeks match for wales in particular showed ref stupidity more than anything.

while wales were stupid kicking the ball and stuff and it was their own fault they ended up in their 22 when the clock went dead. BUT hearing that siren surely all welsh players would make sure they would not conceed a penalty, yet conveniently after the siren sounded a maul which was not going anywhere quickly, suddenly collapsed to the benefit of the aussies. Now surely no welsh player would collapse it knowing the possible repercussions?
that to me is reffing stupidity, espcially when the ref was about 10m away from the maul.

welshy6 wrote:well by your definitions you can never blame a ref, as in every match if the team had performed better or made less mistakes, then those decisions wouldnt have as much of a bearing on the match.

However i think last weeks match for wales in particular showed ref stupidity more than anything.

while wales were stupid kicking the ball and stuff and it was their own fault they ended up in their 22 when the clock went dead. BUT hearing that siren surely all welsh players would make sure they would not conceed a penalty, yet conveniently after the siren sounded a maul which was not going anywhere quickly, suddenly collapsed to the benefit of the aussies. Now surely no welsh player would collapse it knowing the possible repercussions?
that to me is reffing stupidity, espcially when the ref was about 10m away from the maul.

right Wales wouldve been much better off conceding the try

welshy6 wrote:well by your definitions you can never blame a ref, as in every match if the team had performed better or made less mistakes, then those decisions wouldnt have as much of a bearing on the match.

However i think last weeks match for wales in particular showed ref stupidity more than anything.

while wales were stupid kicking the ball and stuff and it was their own fault they ended up in their 22 when the clock went dead. BUT hearing that siren surely all welsh players would make sure they would not conceed a penalty, yet conveniently after the siren sounded a maul which was not going anywhere quickly, suddenly collapsed to the benefit of the aussies. Now surely no welsh player would collapse it knowing the possible repercussions?
that to me is reffing stupidity, espcially when the ref was about 10m away from the maul.

sorry, edited it now, what I meant to say is that its rare to be rightfully blaming a ref.
Well, didn't manage to see today's game but welsh players can be pretty stupid (no need to look further back then last week and Priestland kicking possession away with 2min to go). Having said that, I haven't even seen any replays so can't comment on that particular incident

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

welshy6 wrote:well by your definitions you can never blame a ref, as in every match if the team had performed better or made less mistakes, then those decisions wouldnt have as much of a bearing on the match.

However i think last weeks match for wales in particular showed ref stupidity more than anything.

while wales were stupid kicking the ball and stuff and it was their own fault they ended up in their 22 when the clock went dead. BUT hearing that siren surely all welsh players would make sure they would not conceed a penalty, yet conveniently after the siren sounded a maul which was not going anywhere quickly, suddenly collapsed to the benefit of the aussies. Now surely no welsh player would collapse it knowing the possible repercussions?
that to me is reffing stupidity, espcially when the ref was about 10m away from the maul.

right Wales wouldve been much better off conceding the try

but peter in those circumstances it didnt matter, aus get points=aus win.
there was another 15+ metres to the tryline, if they get to the tryline then you might aswell give away the penalty but with 15+ metres and aus not making many progress. anyway you misunderstood my post as that maul would have gone down no matter what the welsh forwards did to stop it collapsing!