A Stay of Execution

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Well done for holding nerve at that crucial 4th set tie break, but this isn't the 2012 Wimbledon Champion.

Very sad to see him look so poor.

Seifer Almasy wrote: You don't seem to understand emotion then. To love a player would be just as illogical if you were right. Think about it. I am not hating a man for being a man or for being a good player, I am hating him for his behaviour.

It is interesting that the initials of your user name Seifer Almasy is the same as another extremist poster, Simple Analyst, who was the total opposite and a highly partisan trasher of Fed and blindly partisan to Nadal. Just like with SA, it seems rather difficult to reason with you Seifer. I equally don't like Nadal's tactics but since joining the forum over a year ago, I've realised that actually, focusing too narrowly on disliking a player is senseless. Most Nadal fans on here are a reasonable bunch, not all, but most. You only bring the forum down by referring to a player who's won 11 slams as 'scum'. I've never heard anyone call Nadal that before, even from people who dislike him!

Most of what NS has said about Fed's win on Friday is reasonable. I didn't watch the first 2 sets but it seems common sense that rushing into the 2nd set tie breaker was a bad move for Fed. In fact it shows he could have made things easier if he'd slowed down and won the match in 4 rather than taking it to the brink in 5. I've been highly displeased with this Russian roulette type of play from Fed. He did it Djokovic last year, done it with Nadal @ the Aussie Open in 2009 and Delpo @ the USO in 2009. If he's going to beat Djokovic come Friday, he must do it 4 sets like he did last year @ RG. Taking it to 5 sets is too risky for Fed in his 30s.

Conspiracy theories seem to be in abundance here. Stay off the pot.

I remember debating with Simple Analyst about his attitude towards Federer.

I say support who you like but hatred is an irrationally extreme emotion to have against a sportsman.

Does being a sportsman make him not human? Don't talk rubbish. When I see what he gets up to on court I have every right to hate him and I do and I will. I do not need your permission.

Seifer Almasy wrote:Does being a sportsman make him not human? Don't talk rubbish. When I see what he gets up to on court I have every right to hate him and I do and I will. I do not need your permission.

You have the right to do whatever you like (within legal boundaries of course) but don't expect people to believe that it is logical or rational. Not going to happen.

carrieg4 wrote:I say support who you like but hatred is an irrationally extreme emotion to have against a sportsman.

I would add the same regarding posters, as well.

Fight or Flight is a primitive response, and has its place.

Human evolution over the several thousands years, yet we do not deserve the label of 'intelligent species' when such behavior is on the stage.

laverfan wrote:

carrieg4 wrote:I say support who you like but hatred is an irrationally extreme emotion to have against a sportsman.

I would add the same regarding posters, as well.

Fight or Flight is a primitive response, and has its place.

Human evolution over the several thousands years, yet we do not deserve the label of 'intelligent species' when such behavior is on the stage.

Seifer Almasy wrote:Does being a sportsman make him not human? Don't talk rubbish. When I see what he gets up to on court I have every right to hate him and I do and I will. I do not need your permission.

There are millions of humans who act far worse than Nadal. What emotion do you reserve for them?

This thread was developing into an interesting discussion, although perhaps we were near to exhausting the theme, and then the thread developed new energy and momentum on the back of a certain poster whose comments are consistent with an immature intellect, perhaps that of a teenager, that is currently residing in its own fantasy world.

Now as evidence I submit the above comments (see previous comments) and the following taken from that font of knowledge called Wikipedia:

Wikipedia on characters in the role playing game Final Fantasy wrote:Seifer Almasy is a classmate and rival of Squall, who can only be controlled by the player during the Dollet sequence. ... He acts as a foil to Squall in many respects, having dated Rinoa before she met Squall, ... Seifer wields a gunblade which he calls "Hyperion". His Limit Break, Fire Cross, allows him to use an attack called No Mercy. He later uses the more powerful techniques Demon Slice and Bloodfest against the player. Seifer has a short temper and is often depicted as a bully who desires attention. He is also fiercely independent and is often punished for his recklessness. ... After joining Ultimecia, he becomes the leader of the Galbadian army. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_VIII#Seifer_Almasy

Leader of the Nalbandian army??!!

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Seifer Almasy wrote:Does being a sportsman make him not human? Don't talk rubbish. When I see what he gets up to on court I have every right to hate him and I do and I will. I do not need your permission.

There are millions of humans who act far worse than Nadal. What emotion do you reserve for them?

They aren't in my face day in and out and getting paid millions for it. I reserve more hatred for the worst people, but that does not mean that I do not hate Nadal. I do. It is as simple as that. Maybe when he stops cheating and acting like C I may like him?

Also quoting wiki on a game character is about as stupid as I have ever seen. You have done it twice now... lmao! And it is Galbadian, not nalbandian! And that is a pure coincidence hahahaha! I am a Federer fan, then Tsonga. I don't care much for any of the other players.

I do notice here how so many of you can't leave the person alone, every post is an attack on the person who said something and not on what the person said. Give it a rest and deal with it. Nadal is scum.

Nadal is not in your face day in day out, unless you choose to put him there. You could simply not watch any of his matches - easy.
Do you also hate the people who pay him millions and all the people who pay the people who pay him millions? That would be an awful lot of hate.

It's a free world, you can hate who you want, if it makes you happy, but actually hating any sportsman shows IMHO, shall we say, a lack of perspective.

So fair enough Almasy, you have declared your hatred for Rafael Nadal, whom you label as "scum", but how far does your hatred extend?

What about "Uncle Nadal", whose game plan Rafael Nadal acts out, do you hate him - is he scum?

What about posters you deem to be "Nadal fanboys or fangirls", do you hate them - are they scum?

I tell you what Nore - that stuff that floats on top of a pond - that's...er, algae.

Nore Staat wrote:

Seifer Almasy wrote:It isn't worrying at all. We are talking about the greatest player of all time here not some ordinary player. What nonsense.

If we are talking about the greatest player of all time ... why isn't he the greatest in todays time?

This is rubbish, so you mean to say Pete had to be no.1 in 2002 to be regarded as greatest of all time around 2002?

Pete could not dominate any of the youngsters like Hewitt, Federer, Safin, Roddick, do that mean he is not even in top 5?

Fed at 31 still commanding and winning tournaments and to expect him to beat 100% against players of young Djoko's caliber at 31 sounds ultra silly to me.

Nore Staat wrote:So fair enough Almasy, you have declared your hatred for Rafael Nadal, whom you label as "scum", but how far does your hatred extend?

What about "Uncle Nadal", whose game plan Rafael Nadal acts out, do you hate him - is he scum?

What about posters you deem to be "Nadal fanboys or fangirls", do you hate them - are they scum?

Toni Nadal looks like a **** to me, yes... however, I have not seen much of his behaviour to pass a good enough comment. I have seen Nadal. That is the difference. You support and defend a cheat That is my final word on it.

Seifer Almasy wrote:

Nore Staat wrote:So fair enough Almasy, you have declared your hatred for Rafael Nadal, whom you label as "scum", but how far does your hatred extend?

What about "Uncle Nadal", whose game plan Rafael Nadal acts out, do you hate him - is he scum?

What about posters you deem to be "Nadal fanboys or fangirls", do you hate them - are they scum?

Toni Nadal looks like a **** to me, yes... however, I have not seen much of his behaviour to pass a good enough comment. I have seen Nadal. That is the difference. You support and defend a cheat That is my final word on it.

I don't support Nadal and you're an idiot.

invisiblecoolers wrote:

Nore Staat wrote:

Seifer Almasy wrote:It isn't worrying at all. We are talking about the greatest player of all time here not some ordinary player. What nonsense.

If we are talking about the greatest player of all time ... why isn't he the greatest in todays time?

This is rubbish, so you mean to say Pete had to be no.1 in 2002 to be regarded as greatest of all time around 2002?

Pete could not dominate any of the youngsters like Hewitt, Federer, Safin, Roddick, do that mean he is not even in top 5?

Fed at 31 still commanding and winning tournaments and to expect him to beat 100% against players of young Djoko's caliber at 31 sounds ultra silly to me.

No your understanding of "of all time" is wrong and stupid. One can talk about greatest of their era but your approach (as well as others) to the concept "of all time" is strictly childish.

@NS so you starting to abuse now with words like Stupid just for proving your myths wrong , shame on u

You are no different to Seifer, one hates Nadal and the other hates Fed, and opposing views you will get mad on them.

Next person on this thread to slate another poster will get a ban. You have been warned.

JuliusHMarx wrote:Next person on this thread to slate another poster will get a ban. You have been warned.

Can I slate you, JHM?

Back to the OP. Federer has his work cut out if wants to win the next 4 matches, potentially, Malisse, Youzhny, Djokovic, Murray.

Seifer/NS/iC... would you mind not ranting about Nadal's character, so the remainder can have a rational discussion about Tennis, please?

Yes I think it is weird to hate or love a player. I mean both terms connote some personal good or bad experience that is too deep to come from watching someone play tennis on TV. I mean I have to know someone really well to love them and I just don't know any of these guys that well, I can love watching them play that is another matter. And conversly the same is true for hating player. For me to hate someone they would have to have done something truely terrible to me and shown no remorse, or repeated the behavior. I can't think of any ATP professional that has ever wronged me.