Boxing's 5 greatest modern bullies!!!

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:58 am

Bully seems to be the operative word today!!!

I'll give you my top 5 names that spring to mind in the modern gebneration who stick out as great bullies..........

1. Mike Tyson
2. Ricardo Mayorga
3. Azumah Nelson
4. Dwight Qawi
5. David haye

all guys that liked to be spiteful and belittle their foes....

Older ones probably Roberto takes precedence...If we haul back further..

by mobilemaster8 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:07 am

1. Tyson
2. Mayorga
3. Mayweather Jr
4. Ali
5. Haye

Mayweather may be a different type. He just talks smack, beats people up, but has no real "power" so to speak.

Iron Mike will always be number one on this list,

I come close to putting you 2nd! Very Happy

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:10 am

Not really about power this thread....well not in the physical sense

But I thankyou for your contribution..

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:12 am

I'd add Hopkins and Morales

by Imperial Ghosty Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:15 am

Just ask mayweathers opponents if he has 'no power', wouldn't be in my list but that's beside the point.

Tyson
Chavez
Hopkins
Margarito
Galaxy

Thinking more from a style perspective than any smack talk.

by **owen10ozzy** Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:16 am

Interesting to note as well that except Ali all were exposed when the bravado/smack talk & bullying didn't work...

Much like in real life...once the facade is lifted 'Bullies' are left with very little to 'attack' people with.

Obviously Tyson is the best example of this.

by mobilemaster8 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:18 am

Ill always remember Tyson on about Lewis in a post fight interview to say "Ill eat his heart and kids" or seomthing like that!

Mental stuff and on this occasion could not back it up.

But even still, he was an animal.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:19 am

Hoppo is a good call.......

Not sure about Galaxy but I'll take your word for it..

by **owen10ozzy** Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:19 am

I'm not sure I would have Hopkins on the list and certainly not Morales...from an actual bully perspective.

I get that in the ring they can be...but outside of it I would'nt say either have that overbearing mentality. Granted Hopkins can be a bit of a tool but I think only for publicity/hype reasons.

Suppose it depends whether you mean bully in terms of style or 'mentality, belittling opponent and just genuine nastiness outside and inside of the ring'..

No doubt Tyson/Mayorga/Chavez make any list

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:19 am

owen10ozzy wrote:Interesting to note as well that except Ali all were exposed when the bravado/smack talk & bullying didn't work...
Much like in real life...once the facade is lifted 'Bullies' are left with very little to 'attack' people with.

Obviously Tyson is the best example of this.

When was Hopkins exposed after a pre-fight bullying stint?

Can I add Sonny Liston if we have a caveat that the word "modern" is used as if Windy was still with us?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:21 am

No you can't!!!! Cool

by Imperial Ghosty Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:21 am

Galaxy would physically impose his will on opponents, he was so much better than everyone as well as bigger he could do almost as he pleased.

by azania Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:24 am

Does Floyd really talk smack? I reckon he talks down to his opponents and about them without the smack. Reminds me of Alex fergie defending Wenger. Not smack but very patronising and condascending which in itself gets under the skin of opponents.

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:24 am

owen10ozzy wrote:I'm not sure I would have Hopkins on the list and certainly not Morales...from an actual bully perspective.

I get that in the ring they can be...but outside of it I would'nt say either have that overbearing mentality. Granted Hopkins can be a bit of a tool but I think only for publicity/hype reasons.

Suppose it depends whether you mean bully in terms of style or 'mentality, belittling opponent and just genuine nastiness outside and inside of the ring'..

No doubt Tyson/Mayorga/Chavez make any list

If we take the criteria of the OP and talk about people being spiteful and belittling, I think Morales fits nicely. His fights with Barrera were preceded by talk of who was and wasn't a "real Mexican"...most of it coming from Erik.

Does James Toney qualify?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:27 am

Toney is a good shout...Obviously Tony Ayala is a candidate...

by **seanmichaels** Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:29 am

Valero could be a bit nawty.

by **owen10ozzy** Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:29 am

Dave - I don't mean exposed in the sense he was knocked senseless...I just mean when he doesn't get under his opponents skin and his bullying tactics don't work.. i.e Calzaghe, 2nd Taylor Fight,

But like I said I would not put Hopkins in a 'bullying list' anyway. I don't think it is essential to how he fights/ who he is as a boxer.

Unlike Tyson, Mayorga, Chavez, Haye etc.

Also with regards to Morales..agreed in the Barrera fight he was in some ways a bully...however again I dont think it was the norm or essential to him as a fighter. In the case of his fights with Barrera it was the occasion/rivalry which created the spitefulness rather than Morales. In many cases he has been quite respectful of his opponents.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:32 am

I'm not sure I get what you mean Owen.....

Ali was a bully and it wasn't essential to how he fought...

Toney wasn't overly aggressive either...

Think you are a bully or not....

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:32 am

James DeGale would be up there...certainly in the British stakes along with the likes of Herbie Hide. Difficult to put Chris Eubank on with any real conviction as we know that most of his arrogance and pre-fight nonsense was done for effect rather than any real malice.

Owen wrote - But like I said I would not put Hopkins in a 'bullying list' anyway. I don't think it is essential to how he fights/ who he is as a boxer.

OWEN - I always saw Hopkins as the kind of fighter who wanted to make his opponents mad, make them lose their composure and capitalise of any mistakes made in the heat of battle. Therefore I'd say that pre-fight bullying WAS essential to Hopkins

by azania Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:37 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm not sure I get what you mean Owen.....

Ali was a bully and it wasn't essential to how he fought...

Toney wasn't overly aggressive either...

Think you are a bully or not....

Patterson and the other guy ("what's my name") would disagree.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:37 am

Where is Jabby any way ?? he's probably sparred with a few in his time...

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:41 am

azania wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm not sure I get what you mean Owen.....

Ali was a bully and it wasn't essential to how he fought...

Toney wasn't overly aggressive either...

Think you are a bully or not....

Patterson and the other guy ("what's my name") would disagree.

Ali would have beaten them anyway. However, the circumstance surrounding those two fights were markedly different to many of Ali's others. He believed he'd been insulted by his opponents and the spite he showed was done to defend his honour.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:45 am

Think all Patterson did was to refer back to his original name...

Bit over the top.. the baiting that followed..

by **owen10ozzy** Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:50 am

Trussman - For me...a bully is someone who lacks the self confidence naturally and therefore creates a persona/nastiness about themselves to overcompensate. By belittling, being horrible to others they feel better about themselves.

In light of that the likes of Tyson, Mayorga HAVE to get under their opponents skin, be rude/horribel/racist, verbally vile or be physically intimidating towards their opponent so that they lose confidence in their own ability.

If they fail to do that then they are often brutally exposed..case in point both Tyson and Mayorga.

Whilst not quite as extreme I think you could say that Haye looked shot of confidence once he realised all of the verbal taunting hadn't got to Wladmir in the build up to their fight.

DAVE667 - I see what you are getting it at but for me it's very often not particularly natural behaviour..often IMO done for hype reason more than anything. Their have been plenty of cases where Hopkins doesn't particularly do much in the build up to the fight...where as the likes of Tyson seemed to be the same regardless of the opponent. Obviously though it is all just a matter of how we view things

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:51 am

The change of name was something that was important to Ali. He felt as though by referring to him as Clay, Patterson was dismissing Ali's religion as well even though Patterson only said it the once.

Ernie Tyrrell continued to call him Clay long after Ali had corrected him and he took that as a deliberate insult...but I agree, the baiting that followed was over the top.

I think Patterson escaped more punishment as he was a genuinely nice guy who said afterwards "I called him Clay because that's the name his mother gave him" Hard to hate a guy like that

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:52 am

Trussman - For me...a bully is someone who lacks the self confidence naturally and therefore creates a persona/nastiness about themselves to overcompensate. By belittling, being horrible to others they feel better about themselves.

Owen, is this part of your thread or simply an in-depth analysis of TRUSSMAN?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:54 am

Now that isn't nice........

I'm a liberal I love everybody.........except my father-in-law perhaps

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:56 am

I simply asked a question...not my fault if some of those barbs have stuck now, is it?

by JabMachineMK2 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:00 am

DAVE667 wrote:Trussman - For me...a bully is someone who lacks the self confidence naturally and therefore creates a persona/nastiness about themselves to overcompensate. By belittling, being horrible to others they feel better about themselves.

Owen, is this part of your thread or simply an in-depth analysis of TRUSSMAN?

Depends if you're asking about in ring bullying or out of it. I'd say Ali was the greatest bully outside of the ring yet in it, he was a masterful boxer.

Inside the ring, I'd say Frazier and Hopkins stand out as bullies - Tyson was a very talented boxer aswell as having that aggressive style but I think Bhop is the more...spoiling fighter, not letting the opponent fight back properly.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:03 am

Barbs...

Reminds me of that Pamela Anderson movie from years ago.....

Surprised she didn't get an Oscar!!!

Though she could have had a TRUSSMAN!!! Cool

Good JM is on here......any of the guys you sparred with bullies???

by JabMachineMK2 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:06 am

Just to make things clear Truss - I haven't sparred with anyone famous so if thats your angle, give it up.

I'm yet to spar with a "bully" so no. You don't tend to get them in the amateur game I feel.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:08 am

I only asked...I must be mixing you up with someone else who got kicked off here!!

wonder If that guy has given his gym details to the mods yet!!

I apologise If it wasn't you!! Cool

by JabMachineMK2 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:20 am

You claim you're not a WUM, correct?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:29 am

I'm a Dad but not a Wum.......

Like I said I apologise If you weren't that Walter Mitty fantasist!!

by JabMachineMK2 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:37 am

You have children?

I feel sorry for them.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:40 am

Not as sorry as they feel!!! Cool

Why the insults?? I apologised in the above post.... thumbsup

by JabMachineMK2 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:44 am

I'm not insulting you.

I'm also not stupid enough to fall for the WUM tactics of fake apologies warning

I'm yet to see evidence of you being as legit poster here.

Oh, and word to the wise, it would be a good idea to brush up your own English skills before poking fun at other peoples.

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:47 am

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'm not insulting you.

I'm also not stupid enough to fall for the WUM tactics of fake apologies

I'm yet to see evidence of you being as legit poster here.

Oh, and word to the wise, it would be a good idea to brush up your own English skills before poking fun at other peoples.

TRUSSMAN is an American and doesn't concern himself with the finer things in life...like the English Language, however, he will jump down your throat for that typo...well, he certainly try force something down your throat. Might be his opinions...then again.......

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:48 am

There is nothing fake about my apology or my 49 inch chest and 171/2 inch arms..

However there are fakes on here as we've found out recently!!!

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:49 am

He's not man enough for the blue oyster!!!

by Guest Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:50 am

Maybe you should have a bar for those not quite man enough and call it the "Pink Winkle"

by JabMachineMK2 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:50 am

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by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:52 am

I'm devastated...

Pink winkle....Now their is a name

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:55 am

Anybody else want to post on my thread.... and put me on their ignore list???

Hope this means this guy isn't going to report me every two minutes anymore!!!

by **Seanusarrilius** Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:33 am

Oi oi, what do we ave ere then?!

Lads, lay off the nasty's please. I have scrolled up a wee bit and already I see some unsavoury comments. It's Monday, let us rejoice in the knowledge that we get to spend the next 5 days at work.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:34 am

Unsavoury...maybe you should read the 12-line-abusive pm I've just had off him...

Bless him..

by **Seanusarrilius** Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:39 am

forward it to me if you like. PMing abuse is not on boys; let's all be nice cause if the thread descends anymore it will get shifted

by **owen10ozzy** Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:45 am

Shame really as it had started off as a decent thread with some good back & forth cases being made!

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:46 am

That'll be three in a day.....Do I get a prize..

by John Bloody Wayne Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:46 am

I would call Liston a bully in the mentality sense. His mini wars with a prime Cleveland Williams are more than enough proof he could take it when stood up to.

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