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Post by Afro Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:07 pm

Right, a nice topical one for you.

Imagine that FIFA decided that we had to compete as Team GB in the World Cup. I want you to select a Team GB squad, which is a hybrid of World Cup and Olympic requirements.

You will select a 23 man squad to compete for Team GB at Brazil 2014. That team must be made up of U23s at the time of the tournament (U23 = born on or after 1st June 1991), with 3 over-age players allowed.

Your squad must contain a minimum of 3 players from each of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

You will then select a starting XI from that squad, which in turn must include 1 player from each national association.

I want you to report to me your squad, your starting XI and a set of tactics to suit that team. I would also like you to select a manager and assistant.

You should provide details on why you chose those particular overage players, and also why you chose your manager and assistant. Please submit on this page by 3pm on Friday 3rd August


Teams will be:
Twist
Viva
Sodhat


Nando
OTW
Olly


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Post by TwisT Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:21 pm

Love it. Nice task. OK

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:22 pm

Sounds like a cool task OK

So Gareth Bale (born 16th July 1989) would have to be a over 23 player right? Just an example

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Post by TwisT Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:23 pm

Whose TM?

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Post by Afro Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:27 pm

Olly - yes Bale is an over 23 on that basis (I'm assuming that is his correct DOB).

Twist - that is for you to decide between your teammates this time around
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:28 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:Olly - yes Bale is an over 23 on that basis (I'm assuming that is his correct DOB).

Twist - that is for you to decide between your teammates this time around

I dunno I was going off Wiki Laugh
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Post by Fernando Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:33 pm

who wants to be boss on our side and where is otw anyway?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:35 pm

Fernando wrote:who wants to be boss on our side and where is otw anyway?

I don't mind who runs our side. We have 3 guys all capable. I haven't seen OTW for a day now. Especially on his league. Lets wait to make our decision before he comes I reckon
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Post by Fernando Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:45 pm

fair enough you try put bale in the squad and ill kill you The Apprentice Task 4 - Team GB for the World Cup 3559488474

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Post by FIFA Diva Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:51 pm

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Post by FIFA Diva Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:53 pm

Thats 2 years away, won't the players be 2 years older then?
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Post by Afro Mon 30 Jul 2012, 3:57 pm

In most age limited FIFA sanctioned tournaments, the age limit applies at the beginning of the competition. So the U21 limit applies at the start of qualifying and in a lot of cases, they are fast approaching 23 by the time of the finals tournament.
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Post by FIFA Diva Mon 30 Jul 2012, 4:02 pm

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Post by TwisT Mon 30 Jul 2012, 4:19 pm

You will select a 23 man squad to compete for Team GB at Brazil 2014. That team must be made up of U23s (U23 = born on or after 1st August 1989), with 3 over-age players allowed.

Hang on though....doesn't that mean that they will be 25, as Viva said? So surely the date should be August 1st 1991 so that they will be U23 by the time the tournament happens Erm

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Post by Afro Mon 30 Jul 2012, 4:28 pm

Its the world cup, so the tournament starts with qualifying on 1st August. That is where I picked the date at.


In truth it's all hypothetical isn't it as its a Team GB side in the 2014 World Cup. I had to pick a date for the age limit to apply.

I can easily change it to U21s, or to 1991 if thats what you want.
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Post by TwisT Mon 30 Jul 2012, 4:30 pm

No its fine. If we are agree that it is players born after August 1st 1989 then we all know what is expected. Just wanted to clarify.

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Post by Afro Mon 30 Jul 2012, 4:47 pm

1st August 1991 would present more of a challenge Whistle

I'm going to change it. Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by Afro Mon 30 Jul 2012, 4:48 pm

Changed it to 1st June 1991 to reflect the month of the 2014 World Cup
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Post by TwisT Mon 30 Jul 2012, 4:51 pm

Viva....Soddy.....let's go. To be honest I don't really think we need a TM. If we lose the task, then all 3 of us will go into the boardroom anyway.

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Post by sodhat Mon 30 Jul 2012, 4:52 pm

We still need a lead member I think. Have you been a PM yet? If not then I say go for it mate.

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Post by TwisT Mon 30 Jul 2012, 5:02 pm

Ok.....just to get the ball moving

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 30 Jul 2012, 6:04 pm

Right Nando who do you reckon should be our team manager?
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Post by TwisT Thu 02 Aug 2012, 2:08 pm

Apprentice Week 4: Team GB for the World Cup

Team WTF Proposal


Spoiler:

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Post by TwisT Thu 02 Aug 2012, 2:16 pm

Thoughts? The other team are quiet Laugh

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 02 Aug 2012, 2:18 pm

That's cos Nando and Trebs aren't here today Whistle

Why have you posted a day before?
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Post by Afro Thu 02 Aug 2012, 2:18 pm

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Post by TwisT Thu 02 Aug 2012, 2:18 pm

Olly wrote:That's cos Nando and Trebs aren't here today Whistle

Why have you posted a day before?

Because we have finished picard

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 02 Aug 2012, 2:20 pm

TwisT wrote:
Olly wrote:That's cos Nando and Trebs aren't here today Whistle

Why have you posted a day before?

Because we have finished picard

Well obviously lol, but now we know what we gotta beat Whistle

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Post by TwisT Thu 02 Aug 2012, 2:30 pm

Olly wrote:
TwisT wrote:
Olly wrote:That's cos Nando and Trebs aren't here today Whistle

Why have you posted a day before?

Because we have finished picard

Well obviously lol, but now we know what we gotta beat Whistle

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Thing is we think that is a winning entry anyway, so whatever you guys put won't matter. Sorry if we are too organised for you lot. The team must have been led well Whistle

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 02 Aug 2012, 2:33 pm

TwisT wrote:
Olly wrote:
TwisT wrote:
Olly wrote:That's cos Nando and Trebs aren't here today Whistle

Why have you posted a day before?

Because we have finished picard

Well obviously lol, but now we know what we gotta beat Whistle

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Thing is we think that is a winning entry anyway, so whatever you guys put won't matter. Sorry if we are too organised for you lot. The team must have been led well Whistle

But will you beat us? Speed doesn't always mean efficiency, and we may have the better entry after taking our time. Only time will tell...
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 03 Aug 2012, 10:47 am

Team Get your ass in here submission

Team GB squad for the 2014 World Cup

Our squad

Spoiler:

Our Manager

Spoiler:

Our Assistant

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Tactics

We have come up with our starting XI, which includes both an attacking and a defensive formation. We feel we need the two different formations for both the important aspects of the game, and these formations will allow us to fluid and creative whilst attacking, as well as being solid and rigid whilst defending. We will start off with our attacking formation and instructions for that.

Attacking XI

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Defensive XI

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Why we chose our tactics:

We chose these tactics because we feel they suit the squad well, with the youth presence and the pace we have available. We also chose it because it is a formation our manager Martin O'Neill has used in the past, so he knows how to coach it properly, rather than him playing a 4-3-3 when he doesn't ever play that formation.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 03 Aug 2012, 10:51 am

Ok it's up and ready for you Afro thumbsup
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Post by Afro Fri 03 Aug 2012, 11:40 am

I will read through them later on today.
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Post by Afro Fri 03 Aug 2012, 1:43 pm

Questions for Team WTF

Who was your project manager?

Was he a good PM?

Who picked out Carl Jenkinson?

Who idea was it to select Phil Jones at DM

For me there are a few obvious candidates that appear to have missed out? Did you consider MacEachran, Redmond and Caulker? If so, why did you ultimately reject them?


Questions for Team GYAIH

Who was your project manager?

Was he a good PM?

How did you divide the task up?

Who was responsible for checking DOBs and nationalities?

Who chose Martin O'Neil for manager?
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Post by Afro Fri 03 Aug 2012, 1:46 pm

Any of you can answer any of the questions for your team.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 03 Aug 2012, 1:49 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:

Questions for Team GYAIH

Who was your project manager?

Was he a good PM?

How did you divide the task up?

Who was responsible for checking DOBs and nationalities?

Who chose Martin O'Neil for manager?

1. I was PM
2. Not my place to comment
3. We decided to get the manager and assistant first, then pick out the squad and then see what tactics and style suited our players and manager.
4. I did the final squad so me.
5. I believe it was Nando
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Post by Fernando Fri 03 Aug 2012, 1:52 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:


Questions for Team GYAIH

Who was your project manager?

Was he a good PM?

How did you divide the task up?

Who was responsible for checking DOBs and nationalities?

Who chose Martin O'Neil for manager?

1) Olly
2) Yeah was very good explained what he wanted to do and how he wanted it done
3) 1st Manager/Assistant 2nd Squad 3rd Tactics
4) Olly when doing the final squad
5) me cos he'd be towards the end of his career and looking to limit his time in football as you do at the end of careers

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Post by TwisT Fri 03 Aug 2012, 1:56 pm

Who was your project manager?

Me

Was he a good PM?

Erm

Who picked out Carl Jenkinson?

Soddy originally picked the English players, but we all knew and agreed on a first 11

Who idea was it to select Phil Jones at DM

That was mine

For me there are a few obvious candidates that appear to have missed out? Did you consider MacEachran, Redmond and Caulker? If so, why did you ultimately reject them?

MacEachran - We had better players in CM and being English stood against him in that position.

Redmond - Same, we had to pick non-english players in certain positions. We picked the best ones, not randonly filling the blanks with any old non-english player. Shane Ferguson is good cover.

Caulker - We did actually have him, but we needed another scottish player to fit the quota. Hanley was the best choice.

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Post by sodhat Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:00 pm

Who was your project manager?

Twist took the reins on this one.

Was he a good PM?

Very good, kept us working together (although much was via PM so you may not have seen it), and got it done early.

Who picked out Carl Jenkinson?

That was me. I don't know if that's a good thing or not, it's hard to pick up tone in your questions.

Who idea was it to select Phil Jones at DM

Twist did the tactics. I wholeheartedly support my teammates decision too.

For me there are a few obvious candidates that appear to have missed out? Did you consider MacEachran, Redmond and Caulker? If so, why did you ultimately reject them?

All were considered. McEachran missed based on him maybe not getting enough football, Redmond I don't rate as highly as some seem to, looks like another Walcott to me. Caulker was initially included, but because we had Evans, Wilson, and Hanley as CB's to fill our quotas it was a packed area and he dropped out.

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Post by Afro Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:03 pm

I'll give the other member of each team a chance to answer the questions, but I want to ask both teams:

1) Neither of you picked Raheem Sterling? Was he considered? He looks top quality to me.

2) Who didn't pull their weight in your team?
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Post by Fernando Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:06 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:I'll give the other member of each team a chance to answer the questions, but I want to ask both teams:

1) Neither of you picked Raheem Sterling? Was he considered? He looks top quality to me. There was several wingers available for the squad we chose what we thought was the best as he's currently not getting any game time and liverpool and suspect in 2 years time will be settling into the 1st team

2) Who didn't pull their weight in your team?
we all pulled our weight we worked together and otw did what he could in the time available to him.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:06 pm

BigFellasAfro wrote:I'll give the other member of each team a chance to answer the questions, but I want to ask both teams:

1) Neither of you picked Raheem Sterling? Was he considered? He looks top quality to me.

2) Who didn't pull their weight in your team?

1. We did consider him, and had him down as a maybe. But we felt at the time of the competition Redmond would be the better player.
2. I think everyone did what they could, Trebs as he told us would be away doing his olympic work, so you can't blame him for that.
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Post by sodhat Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:07 pm

1) I suggested Sterling initially but I can see the reasoning that meant he wasn't picked - we've not seen much of him and we can't take him over some of the more established players.

2) Not one person didn't do what was asked of them.

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Post by TwisT Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:10 pm

1) All about getting the best balance of the team. Sterling is a winger, would you pick him over Oxo? Again, Sterlings problem is that he is English. Unless you wanted a first XI made up of 8 good english players and then any old non-english players. There are always going to be notable people that miss out.

2) We all pulled our weight

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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:16 pm

Who was your project manager?
Twist

Was he a good PM?
Yes he was

Who picked out Carl Jenkinson?
Sodhat

Who idea was it to select Phil Jones at DM
Twist

For me there are a few obvious candidates that appear to have missed out? Did you consider MacEachran, Redmond and Caulker? If so, why did you ultimately reject them?

We did consider the said players but I don't feel that MacEachran would have made the side or even the bench and Redmond had far too much quality opposition. Caulker was in the side but to improve our side overall we had to take gim out.
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Post by FIFA Diva Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:19 pm

1) Neither of you picked Raheem Sterling? Was he considered? He looks top quality to me.

Sodat did mention Sterling but we looked at this task from a bigger picture we didn't look to put players in because they're good we wanted a good solid all around side which I think we did.

2) Who didn't pull their weight in your team?

Everyone put a shift in, I think this has been the best team I've been in so far.
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Post by Afro Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:28 pm

Thanks all.

Here is where I am at.

There are clearly a lot of similarities between the two squads, so I have knocked off the players selected by both and got down to:

2. Jed Steer (England) - GK
3. Lee Nicholls (England) - GK
4. Jon Flanagan (England) - RB
8. Grant Hanley (Scotland) - CB
10. Jack Robinson (England) - LB
11. Carl Jenkinson (England) - LB
17. Jonathan Williams (Wales) - AM
18. Shane Ferguson (N.Ireland) - LM
21. Jake Cassidy (Wales) - ST

versus

GK - Connor Ripley (ENG)
GK - Jack Hamilton (SCO)
RB - Adam Henley (WAL)
CB - Steven Caulker (ENG)
LB - Ezekiel Fryers (ENG)
RM - Nathan Redmond (ENG)
CM - Josh McEachran (ENG)
CM - Oliver Norwood (NI)
ST - Rory Donnelly (WAL)

With overage players, you both had Rooney and Evans, so it came down to Baines v Bale.
In terms of coaches, it is Hodgson v O'Neil, and you both chose Gary Neville as assistant. Both are good choices with their positives and negatives. I felt that Hodgson's existing relationship with Neville was a strong positive for him, but then I also felt that, in my opinion, O'Neil is the better manager. Therefore it's fair to say, this bit was honours even.

Both sets of tactics were really strong, with both sides doing defensive and attacking formations. With the sides you have selected, I could not split the tactics.

I feel that both starting XIs are equal, although I do feel that one squad is stronger than the other.

The presentation was good on both teams, although one team provided that little bit more detail.

On all of this, the two teams are neck and neck, but I did spot what I think are two mistakes.

So a few more questions:

Team WTF - Carl Jenkinson has previously stated that he is leaning towards Finland. Why do you think you can persuade him to pick Team GB instead?

Team GYAIH - What is Oliver Norwood's DOB? And what is Rory Donnelly's nationality?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:31 pm

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Team GYAIH - What is Oliver Norwood's DOB? And what is Rory Donnelly's nationality?

Donnelly is Welsh and Norwood was born in 1992?

That's what I got when I did it first time let me check again...
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Post by sodhat Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:32 pm

Jenkinson has rejected a full cap for Finland already, and appears to lean toward England according to this article.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/arsenal-teen-jenkinson-keen-to-choose-england-over-the-finns-2339479.html

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 03 Aug 2012, 2:33 pm

Donnelly is Northern Irish and Norwood was 91 not 92. Sorry must have missed that picard
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