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You each have 10 teams from the Premier League, allocated based on last seasons league positions. I want you to produce me the best possible squad you can, and the best starting XI you can, along with tactics.
The catch is that your squad must contain exactly 20 players with 2 from each of your ten clubs, and your starting XI must contain 1 player from each of the ten clubs.
The two teams will be voted on by the non-Apprentice managers and the winning team will be the one with the most votes. One person from that team will then get fired.
Teams to choose from
2 Manchester United
3 Arsenal
6 Chelsea
7 Everton
10 West Bromwich Albion
11 Swansea City
14 Stoke City
15 Wigan Athletic
18 Reading
19 Southampton
The catch is that your squad must contain exactly 20 players with 2 from each of your ten clubs, and your starting XI must contain 1 player from each of the ten clubs.
The two teams will be voted on by the non-Apprentice managers and the winning team will be the one with the most votes. One person from that team will then get fired.
Teams to choose from
2 Manchester United
3 Arsenal
6 Chelsea
7 Everton
10 West Bromwich Albion
11 Swansea City
14 Stoke City
15 Wigan Athletic
18 Reading
19 Southampton
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Well then you're both super duper
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This shouldn't take too long anyway Viva
Seems the sensible thing to do is 2 per position which would make 22 but try find a few players that can play multiple places
Seems the sensible thing to do is 2 per position which would make 22 but try find a few players that can play multiple places
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FB is the position that is not rated so high in Football, United, Arsenal or Chelsea don't have excellent fullbacks (Sagna but broke his leg twice last season) so I would look to bring in fullbacks from the smaller teams.
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I'll be on later tonight comment properly.
How shall we structure our task? Should we pick our formation first or get in the players?
How shall we structure our task? Should we pick our formation first or get in the players?
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4-5-1/4-3-3 seems the standard nowadays can work the players around that
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Well that's some small sides sorted
- Spoiler:
GK
RB - Andy Wilkinson/Frazer Richardson
CB
LB - Neil Taylor/Maynor figueroa
RW
CM
AM - Juan Mata
LW
ST - Wayne Rooney
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2 Manchester United - Rooney
3 Arsenal
6 Chelsea - Mata
7 Everton
10 West Bromwich Albion
11 Swansea City - Neil Taylor
14 Stoke City - Andy Wilkinson
15 Wigan Athletic - Maynor Figueroa
18 Reading
19 Southampton - Frazer Richardson
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Only one of Rooney or Van Persie can start maybe biased but I'd go with Rooney.
Afro said we need a good squad so having one of them on the bench.
Afro said we need a good squad so having one of them on the bench.
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id go with Rooney is the AM/SS postion with a forward ahead of him.
Personally for me Valencia is an essential was ridiculously good last season from Arsenal your prbs looking at vermaelen and Podolski if don't need RVP
Personally for me Valencia is an essential was ridiculously good last season from Arsenal your prbs looking at vermaelen and Podolski if don't need RVP
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We may not need RVP in our first team but I'd have him in the squad.
Vermalen as CB how about Koscielny I think his the better CB
Vermalen as CB how about Koscielny I think his the better CB
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VivaPaulScholes wrote:We may not need RVP in our first team but I'd have him in the squad.
Vermalen as CB how about Koscielny I think his the better CB
Tbh Koscielny was our player of the year tbh despite RVP goals so Koscielny can go in just think most prefer Vermaelen despite his injuries
Can go with mata behind rooney if want
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- Spoiler:
- Al Habsi
McAuley---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
Fellaini---Karacan
Valencia---Lallana---Mata
Rooney
Wigan
WBA---Stoke---Arsenal---Swansea
Everton---Reading
Man Utd---Southampton---Chelsea
Man Utd
That is the team I'd go with so far, the team looks balanced throughout and we don't have a major weakness, I've taken into consideration every position to make us strong as possible.
Afro wanted us to have a strong bench so we still got the likes of RVP there. What do you think?
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- Spoiler:
- Looks very good Viva
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Isn't Jones usually the RB for WBA?
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They've had a lot of diffrent players fill in defence last season.
We can go with Jones.
We can go with Jones.
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Well that's alright then ill work out the rest of the squad in a bit
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- This is what I've come up with my 20 players.
2 Manchester United = Wayne Rooney and Antonio Valencia
3 Arsenal = Laurent Koscielny and Robin Van Persie
6 Chelsea = Juan Mata and Ramires
7 Everton = Marouane Fellaini and Nikica Jelavic
10 WBA = Billy Jones and Jonas Olsson
11 Swansea City = Neil Taylor and Joe Allen
14 Stoke City = Ryan Shawcross and Robert Huth
15 Wigan Athletic = Ali Al Habsi and Victor Moses
18 Reading = Jem Karacan and Alex Pearce
19 Southampton = Adam Lallana and Kelvin Davies
Keepers
Ali Al Habsi
Kelvin Davies
Defenders
RB Billy Jones
CB Ryan Shawcross
CB Robert Huth
CB Laurent Koscielny
CB Alex Pearce
LB Neil Taylor
LB Jonas Olsson
Midfield
DM Jem Karacan
CM Marouane Fellaini
CM Ramires
CM Joe Allen
AM Adam Lallana
Wingers
Juan Mata
Antonio Valencia
Victor Moses
Strikers
Wayne Rooney
Robin Van Persie
Nikica JelavicAl Habsi
Jones---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
Fellaini---Karacan
Valencia---Lallana---Mata
Rooney
Davies
Huth---Pearce---Olsson
Ramires---Allen---Moses
Van Persie---Jelavic
If you look at the defenders we've got, Taylor can play ar RB or LB, Robert Huth can cover at RB or CB, Jonas Olsson at LB or CB.
Then the midfield we got a variety of diffrent players to play diffrent styles, we got Fellaini who can play box to box, Karacan as a dedicated defensive midfielder, Ramires who can play anywhere even as a wide forward, Allen good play playing midfielder and Lallana the most attacking of the lot.
Valencia good old winger gives us width, pace and consistent delievery you need someone stable like him, then theres Mata who is a genius who will move around not a traditional winger but comes inside into pockets, Moses has a bit of both can use the width and be explosive or he can come inside.
The different strikers, I think they will work well together, they offer us something else so.
The team I put out can change formations, styles, react to the opposition. I think it looks good but I know I've probably missed out some obvious players. If you can put your team out or mistakes in my side cheers.
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looks good but i do think we look a little light with centre midfielders mainly cos we're playing 3 there and we only have 5
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Then we need to shift one of our CB, Olsson can cover at CB anyway or we need to get rid of Moses.
Do you think 6 defenders are enough? 3 CB 2 LB and one RB?
Do you think 6 defenders are enough? 3 CB 2 LB and one RB?
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Yeah 6 defenders should be enough Koscielny can play RB he spent most the time Sagna was injured there and Ramires/Lallana can play on the wing if needed
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Are you happy with my list or are you going to put up a list of 20 players? I'd like to see you put up a team.
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i can put up a team if you like i doubt will be as good though
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That way we both can agree on a team together rather then just going with my side.
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Well this is what i came up with
Subs:
- Spoiler:
---------------------Davis
Huth --- Koscielny --Pearce -- Figueroa
Valencia ---- Dorrans - Allen --- Pienaar
---------------------- Rooney
------------------- Torres
Subs:
- Spoiler:
- Federici
Shawcross
Jagielka
Britton
McCarthy
Lallana
Mata
RVP
Odemwingie
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Torres really? He still has a bad reputation and I'd start Mata over him. I'd prefer us to go with the 4-2-3-1. Figueroa is a good shout at LB but I think Taylor might get the ratings now as he played the the Olyimpics.
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I personally wouldn't think Mata/Rooney would work and Torres showed signs at the euros of getting back in some kind of form. Taylor can play RB aswell
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Rooney has never played as an AM, he is best as a striker and I would much rather see Rooney upfront then Torres.
If we drop Huth and bring in Taylor then we have to drop Britton and bring in another Stoke midfielder.
If we drop Huth and bring in Taylor then we have to drop Britton and bring in another Stoke midfielder.
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fair enough but then if we played Mata behind him their going to get in each others way cos Rooney despite what you say drops deep fairly often.
Well which would you rather have in the side Britton or Taylor, Im sure could fit another stoke player in if needed
Well which would you rather have in the side Britton or Taylor, Im sure could fit another stoke player in if needed
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I agree Rooney does drop deep but he would do so less when he has a creative player such as Mata playing behind him. An I would rather risk playing Mata and Rooney in the same side.
In my side I had Mata on the left drifting inside with Lallana occupying the AM role but both willing to move around.
In my side I had Mata on the left drifting inside with Lallana occupying the AM role but both willing to move around.
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i actually prefer your side
It might be worth considering changin Al Habsi to Davis then moving Mata inside with Moses on the wing though. Mata seems more effective inside
--------------------Davis
Jones---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
-----------Fellaini---Karacan
-------Valencia---Mata---Moses
-----------------Rooney
It might be worth considering changin Al Habsi to Davis then moving Mata inside with Moses on the wing though. Mata seems more effective inside
--------------------Davis
Jones---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
-----------Fellaini---Karacan
-------Valencia---Mata---Moses
-----------------Rooney
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Fernando wrote:i actually prefer your side
It might be worth considering changin Al Habsi to Davis then moving Mata inside with Moses on the wing though. Mata seems more effective inside
--------------------Davis
Jones---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
-----------Fellaini---Karacan
-------Valencia---Mata---Moses
-----------------Rooney
Thats a good idea, we need to get the best out of Mata and thats in the AM role. Also I prefer Moses to Lallana.
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Federici
Shawcross
Jagielka
Allen
McCarthy
Lallana
Ramires
RVP
Odemwingie
Id say that's the best of our benches mixed together tbh
Shawcross
Jagielka
Allen
McCarthy
Lallana
Ramires
RVP
Odemwingie
Id say that's the best of our benches mixed together tbh
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Al Habsi
Huth
Pearce
Olsson
Ramires
Allen
Lallana
Van Persie
Jelavic
That would be our bench. Like you said earlier we would need to drop one of the defenders and bring in a midfielder. I'd drop Huth and bring in a CM or wide player?
Huth
Pearce
Olsson
Ramires
Allen
Lallana
Van Persie
Jelavic
That would be our bench. Like you said earlier we would need to drop one of the defenders and bring in a midfielder. I'd drop Huth and bring in a CM or wide player?
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Fernando wrote:Federici
Shawcross
Jagielka
Allen
McCarthy
Lallana
Ramires
RVP
Odemwingie
Id say that's the best of our benches mixed together tbh
Shawcross is starting.
Davies
Jones---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
Fellaini---Karacan
Valencia---Mata---Moses
Rooney
Jones---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
Fellaini---Karacan
Valencia---Mata---Moses
Rooney
Federici
Huth ???
Jagielka
Allen
McCarthy
Lallana
Ramires
RVP
Odemwingie
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Yeah sounds about right almost made an Olly style mistake there
there not much better out there then Huth unless drop Allen put Ashley Williams in and choose a stoke CM but their not that great in midfield really
there not much better out there then Huth unless drop Allen put Ashley Williams in and choose a stoke CM but their not that great in midfield really
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Manchester United = Rooney and Valencia
3 Arsenal = Koscielny and RVP
6 Chelsea = Mata and Ramires
7 Everton = Fellaini and Jagielka
10 West Bromwich Albion = Jones and Odemwingie
11 Swansea City = Allen and Taylor
14 Stoke City = Shawcross and Huth
15 Wigan Athletic = Moses and McCarthy
18 Reading = Federici and Karacan
19 Southampton = Davies and Lallana
We don't have proper cover for LB, we don't have a natural wide player on the bench. Other then that it looks good.
3 Arsenal = Koscielny and RVP
6 Chelsea = Mata and Ramires
7 Everton = Fellaini and Jagielka
10 West Bromwich Albion = Jones and Odemwingie
11 Swansea City = Allen and Taylor
14 Stoke City = Shawcross and Huth
15 Wigan Athletic = Moses and McCarthy
18 Reading = Federici and Karacan
19 Southampton = Davies and Lallana
We don't have proper cover for LB, we don't have a natural wide player on the bench. Other then that it looks good.
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True but Jagielka can play LB if needed and Lallana/Ramires/Odemwingie can go out wide
Unless want to drop Odemwingie for someone like Brunt?
Unless want to drop Odemwingie for someone like Brunt?
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Can he? I've seen him play RB and DM but never at LB.
We can't drop Odemwingie we need three strikers. Yeah we can play the other three wide.
I'm happy with that. You?
We can't drop Odemwingie we need three strikers. Yeah we can play the other three wide.
I'm happy with that. You?
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ive seen him do that a couple times if worst comes to worst then we could always ship Jones over there he can play left back too.
overally im happy with the squad altogether
overally im happy with the squad altogether
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I think we've done a lot of work today, deserve a rest. When is deadline?
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Please make your submission on this page by 2pm on Thursday 9th August
I think we're a bit ahead
I think we're a bit ahead
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Ok lets just go through the players one last time to see if we have the right amount from each team. Once we done that we can have a little rest and I'll get tactics done for us tomorrow.
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- Spoiler:
- Manchester United = Rooney and Valencia
3 Arsenal = Koscielny and RVP
6 Chelsea = Mata and Ramires
7 Everton = Fellaini and Jagielka
10 West Bromwich Albion = Jones and Odemwingie
11 Swansea City = Allen and Taylor
14 Stoke City = Shawcross and Huth
15 Wigan Athletic = Moses and McCarthy
18 Reading = Federici and Karacan
19 Southampton = Davies and LallanaDavies
Jones---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
Fellaini----Karacan
Valencia----Mata----Moses
Rooney
Subs
Federici
Huth
Jagielka
Allen
McCarthy
Ramires
Lallana
RVP
Odemwingie
Southampton, WBA, Stoke, Arsenal, Swansea, Everton, Reading, Man Utd, Chelsea, Wigan and Man Utd.
That is one each from 9 teams and two players from Man Utd.
Looks good to me.
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I'll PM you how I'll do the tactics and if you disagree with anything just let me know and we can sort that out.
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- Nando and Viva XI
Formation: 4-2-3-1Davies
Jones---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
Fellaini----Karacan
Valencia----Mata----Moses
Rooney
Subs
Federici
Jagielka
Ramires
Lallana
Allen
Van Persie
Odemwingie
Set Pieces
Freekick 26 yards or more: Mata/Rooney
Freekick 25 yards or less: Mata
Corner right: Mata
Corner left: Valencia
Penalty: Rooney
Defending Corners: Big plays mark their big players
Attacking Corners: Fellaini get forward make a nuisance attack ball
KEEPER
Davies be confident always communicate with defenders, if you come out for the ball we prefer you to catch it but at times you must punch, when you do this allow the defence to know that you are coming for the ball with a nice early shout. When a striker is coming at you we would like you to stand as tall and big as possible making the goal look small, try and make the striker blink first hold your nerve and it can unsettle him. If you get the ball from their attack try to hit them on the counter by spreading the ball out with a long throw to wide men ot start us off or if they short at the ball an long punt to Rooney.
DEFENCE
I want you lot to work as a unit, when one pushes up you all push up like a synchronised swimmer. When we're attacking the fullbacks will push up, depending on the side we push up the opposite FB will not go further then half way line. When we are on attack CB push forward which will force the opposition strikers to drop and cause a domino affect pushing their whole team into own half. Shawcross deal with the long balls, Koscielny drop back slightly and contest the second ball or any loose ball.
Jones don't dive into the opposition winger, jockey him, position yourself in a way where he will have to go away from goal or he put on his weaker foot. If they do put a lot of pressure with long balls you can tuck inside. When going forward we prefer you to use movement making runs beyond the LB to create space and opening for Valencia most of your attacking work will be done with running.
Shawcross we prefer you to play as the dominant defender, pick up the physical striker challenge for the headers and be up for the fight. Don't go too tight on your man leave a little space, get in the way of shots, block, intercept, don't follow your man out of position stay in your zone.
Koscielny pick up the SS/AM the one off the striker, we've seen you deal with Messi before so tricky customers shouldn't be to testing. Watch the ball and only put a tackle in when you can get the ball, you are quick enough so use your speed and timing of tackles and interceptions. I don't want you to leave a gap between yourself and Shawcross keep it tight.
Taylor don't dive into the opposition winger, jockey him, position yourself in a way where he will have to go away from goal or he put on his weaker foot. If they do put a lot of pressure with long balls you can tuck inside. When going forward use the ball get a feel of it link up with our wide man, pass and move get crosses in for our attackers.
MIDFIELD
Fellaini and Karacan will place as the base of our midfield, the two who will start moves for us and break up the play working together as a unit. Karacan will sit infront of the back four being displined in his play, he will pick up any free players or fill in for anyone out of position, get tackles in and quickly get the ball forward with snappy passes nothing Hollywood. Fellaini slightly ahead to put pressure on the opposition midfielders, use your power and strength to get at them, don't give them time to settle on the ball, drive forward with the ball support the attack and the defence.
The three infront will play as the offensive part of the midfield machine, Valencia has to give us width and protection to Jones who we have identified as our weakest player. Consistency is what we need and with Valencias crosses to Rooney we are sure of that up and down the wing use power and speed. Mata will play behind Rooney demanding the ball to play in Rooney or the other two wide players. Keep the ball ticking always look to move it. Moses to keep the defender guessing coming inside to run at them or using the width to run and get crosses, link up with Mata swapping positions.
Karacan your role will be to hold your position do not push forward play infront of the back four offering them protection and some steel. When the opposition come into your zone close them down, forcing them backwards, look for any free players to pick up intercepting, passes. When you get the ball keep it simple look for our fullbacks who will give support or Fellaini you don't need to play the through balls just simple so we retain possesion.
Fellaini we are planning to use you as box to box but more work must be done in the defensive area. Help Karacan in defensive dutuies pressuring the opposition a little higher up so we can get the ball quicker, use your power and strength dominate the opposition you are tall look to win the aeiral battles. When you get forward drive into the box make late surging runs, also when you are on the ball run with your dynamic style as you are hard to stop in full flow.
Valencia has to get the ball into the box a lot so Rooney can attack it, stay on the outside as it if effective whip it in. Use your pace to make off ball runs to stretch defence, track back and help Jones. Strong player so we expect that you can play a physical game against a tough LB.
Mata look to get into pockets and use your passing at full affect, run forward with the ball use your dribbling skills and your key passing to open up the opposition. Clip balls over the top or a defence splitting pass, get a shot in if you are in range, go out wide and use the space there if you are confined centrally. Always on the move don't be allowed to be marked.
Moses we want to see a mix from you, at times use the width of the pitch and run down it getting crosses and other times cut inside and run at the midfield or if you are closer to goal look for Rooney/Mata linking up with them. You are known for your dribbles so use your strengths and get at the opposition fullback, we want you to drop back aswell when we don't have the ball.
STRIKER
Rooney will be leading our attack, I feel the three behind him offer Rooney what he needs to play at his very best as a lone striker, Valencia will always offer consistenct balls for him, the other two are flexible in their positions to get beyond him at times or linking up with him with a quick one or two. We think with the team we have here Rooney will be less likely to drop deep to pick up the ball because of thw quality of players behind him to give him the service.
Rooney always stay on the move get between the two CB, be aware of Valencias crossing get infront of your man make the last second movement to beat him to the ball. Mata will be looking to play you in through centrally so at times you will play very high on the shoulder of defender time your runs, link up with the attacking players behind you quick pass here and there to quicken tempo, if you can run at the opposition with the ball then do that pass and move and get into box vary your style.
65 MIN SUB
Moses off Ramires on (Fresh legs and energy into midfield)
75 MIN SUB IF LOSING
Karacan off Van Persie on (We play 4-4-2 with Rooney and Persie up top)
75 MIN SUB IF WINNING
Karacan off Allen on (Someone who cna keep ball well)
82 MIN SUB IF LOSING
Valencia off Odemwingie on (Play as wide forward)
WHat do you think of them? Anything else to add or take away?
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After lunch I'll be looking at reasons on why we chose the players and I think witha little touches we'll be done.
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im not sure we need reasons tbh and you've forgotten to bold Taylor's name else wise it looks very very good Viva
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