Aviva Premiership - Stats post Round 3

Kicking



From Hand - Most
Bath 84
Saracens 82
Wasps 81

From Hand - Least
Exeter 47
Harlequins 48
London Welsh 48


Attacking

Passes - Most
Harlequins 451
Wasps 446
Saracens 440

Passes - Least
Bath 262
Sale 298
Worcester 317


Metres Made Ball in Hand - Most
Harlequins 1639
Wasps 1489
Saracens 1376

Metres Made Ball in Hand - Least
Bath 787
Northampton 910
Sale 913


Defenders Beaten - Most
London Irish 49
Leicester 48
Gloucester 46

Defenders Beaten - Least
Northampton 25
Saracens 28
Bath 28

Clean Breaks - Most
Exeter 26
Wasps 25
Saracens 22

Clean Breaks - Least
London Irish 10
Gloucester, Bath, Sale, Worcester 14


defensive

Missed Tackles - Most
Wasps 51
London Irish 46
Exeter 42

Missed Tackles - Least
Bath 27
Northampton 29
Leicester 33

Tackles - Most
Saracens 335
Bath 332
Sale 313

Tackles - Least
Harlequins 225
Worcester 226
Exeter 227


turnovers Won - Most
Exeter 55
Harlequins 49
Leicester 47

turnovers Won - Least
Bath 33
Northampton 34
Wasps 39

Set Pieces

Scrums Lost - Most
Exeter 6
Sale 6
Wasps 4

Scrums Lost - Least
Leicester 0
Gloucester, Bath, Northampton, quins 2


Lineouts Lost - Most
Bath 12
London Welsh 9
Sale 8

Lineouts Lost - Least
Exeter 3
Leicester 4
Wasps 4

Rucks Lost - Most
Harlequins 18
London Irish 15
Northampton 13

Rucks Lost - Least
Bath 4
Sale 6
Gloucester/Leicester 7




stats from Daily Telegraph Website - blame them if they are wrong

Two teams stand out for me:

Bath - kick the most, pass the least, make the least ground ball in hand. That they concede most lineouts and secure the least turnovers explain why they have to make so many tackles.

Saracens - slightly perverse. Kick a lot, while tackling most suggests they give the ball away - yet at the same time they show up really well in the attacking stats.

Interesting stats. Anything to do with handling stats anywhere?

In regards to Saracens I think it's that they are trying to mix up their play contrary to what people say but are let down by poor handling when in a decent position. Certainly against Sale and Leicester.

LondonTiger wrote:Two teams stand out for me:

Bath - kick the most, pass the least, make the least ground ball in hand. That they concede most lineouts and secure the least turnovers explain why they have to make so many tackles.

Saracens - slightly perverse. Kick a lot, while tackling most suggests they give the ball away - yet at the same time they show up really well in the attacking stats.

Probably as they have had 1 1/2 matches of fairly dominant attack and 1 1/2 matches of very defensive stuff

http://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/20559.php#.UFgxzbKPWWY

Some more stats in regards to round 3.

Bath have 2 players in the top tackle stats - Fearns with 17 and Taylor with 15.

Saracens have 3 players - Borthwick with 16, Brown and Barritt both 13.

That's in 1 game.

Are they counting London irish beating their own defenders towards those stats?
Its really hard to read much into these

It says to me that there's something missing from those stats. The real difference between winning and losing seems to me to be about scoring chances. Points scored per visit to (or minute in) the opposition 22 and points conceded per minute in your own 22 seem to me to be the stats that really count...

True poorfour. Also those darn handling errors!

Poorfour wrote:It says to me that there's something missing from those stats. The real difference between winning and losing seems to me to be about scoring chances. Points scored per visit to (or minute in) the opposition 22 and points conceded per minute in your own 22 seem to me to be the stats that really count...

Not available sadly.

In the end the only important stat is whether you win. but each team will have analysts studying stats and tapes to identify weaknesses.

LondonTiger not just that. Scoring 4 tries and being within 7 points are also very important. It can mean the difference between topping the AP table and not.

True, pehaps I should have said most important.

One of my favourite quotes:
“Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.”

Nah - my favourite is
"85% of all statistics are made up"


unfortunately with rugby stats the data making them is often quite subjective. Defining what is a missed tackle, who is a defender beaten etc can all lead to errors.

Oh, and HKC.

As these stats "prove" Bath are the most boring team in the AP, you shoudl be happy

"78% of facts on the internet are untrue" Abraham Lincoln

Wise words.

Did any one else chuckle at the Sky guys praising Bath for having found this 'conservative' 'balanced' game plan based around territory and kicking the ball away.

But then they love to get stuck in to Saracens for exactly the same thing.

LondonTiger wrote:Oh, and HKC.

As these stats "prove" Bath are the most boring team in the AP, you shoudl be happy

I don't need stats to prove that! But if you're going to judge Bath's performance by stats, we really need to see what the points per prawn sandwich ratio is

HongKongCherry wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Oh, and HKC.

As these stats "prove" Bath are the most boring team in the AP, you shoudl be happy

I don't need stats to prove that! But if you're going to judge Bath's performance by stats, we really need to see what the points per prawn sandwich ratio is

Very low, even when you add in glasses of Pimms consumed

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

HongKongCherry wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Oh, and HKC.

As these stats "prove" Bath are the most boring team in the AP, you shoudl be happy

I don't need stats to prove that! But if you're going to judge Bath's performance by stats, we really need to see what the points per prawn sandwich ratio is

Very low, even when you add in glasses of Pimms consumed

Yes. I am afraid that is because of Harlequins' traditional, but deeply unjust, near-monopoly on Prawn sandwiches and Pimms. To which they have recently added Points.

No, no dahling.

Prawn sandwiches are, so for the common folk.

Down in Twickers we like Lobster and Prawn served in stonebaked foccacia. all offset with a delightfully chilled glass of Moet.