Can Vitali now be beaten by David... Price?

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Stay with me people.

Vitali looked slow and ponderous in his last two fights. I gave him a pass for chis, cos I thought Chis was decent and heard Klit was injured. But fromt e God awful showing against Charr it is clear to me that Vitali is spent.

Haye would smash him now IMO...would he?

Price would have a chance

Discuss

azania wrote:
On this thread perhaps. On other threads one would think he is the second coming.

Classic Azania exaggerations there. These ridiculous overblown statements (see Audley beats Marciano, or K-bros make Don King look like Jesus)....and the way that you use them when spouting the same lines of rhetoric about what 'this board' think (see 'everyone gives Khan a harder time than other boxers [insert implications of racism here]', or 'everyone thinks the K-bros and nice as pie and no one sees their ruthless side but me...because I am so non-conformist') - you do realise that these simply undermine your arguments?

I'd suggest that, at best, people are getting a bit excited about Price because a) He's British, b) He's really big, c) He has good technique and a solid amateur background, d) He appears to have KO power, e) We are dying for someone to reignite the HW division and the K-bros may be on their way out relatively soon. Fair enough that he's been the subject of speculation and perhaps a bit of optimism on here. But, he's hardly been touted as the 'second coming'. You seem to get these ideas, perhaps based on one or two comments in the past, then you decide that this is what 'everyone on here' thinks.....then you use this as an excuse to get one of your classic lines of rhetoric out i.e. "Price has no chin at all". It's the same every time.

Box

I'm not the only one prone to egging things a litle. Some here raised Hitler as a comparison to someone I was referring to.

Khan does things which wouldn't be an issue if it was from another boxer. As for race issues, if that's what you see in my post about Khan, no worries.

Fury is also British but he gets viscious abuse here. I await your staunch defence of him on par with what you wrote about Price above.

Oh and finally, Price is chinny. As soon as he steps to euro level against an opponent who hits back, he's out.

Anyway, have a great weekend.

azania wrote:I may hate what you say, but I will defend your right to say it. I said some here are what Stalin described as useful idiots. I was corrected by Capt C. It was Lenin who said that. But the point fits and if the cap fits, wear it.

Yep Az, that's you: a lone non-conformist voice of intelligence battling the masses of sheep on the 606v2 board..........or, maybe, just maybe, you just talk a fair bit of sh!t.

azania wrote:
Fury is also British but he gets viscious abuse here. I await your staunch defence of him on par with what you wrote about Price above.

My defense to that is: Price is generally seen as the better prospect in comparison to Fury. My own opinion, and from what I gather, the general opinion is that Price is more polished technically and is more of an athlete than Fury (incidentally I see a big asterisk over Fury's win against a fat and unmotivated chisora) . People see Price as a possible 'real deal'. Whereas Fury does not look as good, and less people are as excited by him.

Also, Fury comes across like a bit of an idiot, whereas Price comes across like a decent guy. And, before you spout another classic piece of Azania rhetoric along the lines of "everyone on here likes their boxers to be nice, polite, squeaky clean guys, etc, etc" - please don't put any words in my mouth. Some polite boxers I like (e.g. Price), some polite boxers I can't stand (e.g. Ward). The same goes for mouthy boxers. Some I like, some I don't. It's like people in general. Some people get away with things that other people wouldn't. it's not fair, but it's the way it is.

In this case I'd suggest that people find it hard to get behind Fury in the same way they get behind Price because a) They don't think he's as good and doesn't have as much of a chance at challenging at the top, b) he's generally a bit of a tw@t

Fair enough?

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:I did look up the Camarelle fight which is why I know you're talking out your backside.

If I've got time to waste later I'll do the same with his pro debut.

Sorry Top, not talking out of my rear end this time. Are you suggesting that he wasn't wobbled and the ref stopped the fight for no reason? He bambi'd and was stopped. Great stoppage and referreeing. Check out his pro debut. The guy is chinny. Vit only has to look at it and Price will be lookin at the ceiling. He should advertise the soles of his boots when he steps up.

I think the Camarelle fight was a pathetically soft stoppage that'd never have happened in the pros. And you don't say 'wobbled', you talk about bambi on ice and chicken dance as if it was Judah v Kosta. He was rocked back against the ropes by a world class amateur. I'm not the one distorting reality (as usual).

Have checked the pro debut and can't for the life of me work out what happened. The ref paused the fight for warn him for a shoulder shove, he stood upright with his hands down and the other guy swang a hayemaker at this unprotected chin and Price stayed standing and walked over to his corner. I didn't have sound and it was a small screen so maybe I'll think different when I watch it at home but that was too unusual an incident to draw conclusions from IMO.

"I think"

That is where your issues seem to start my friend

In the amateur game it was a correct stoppage. The point is, Joshua took bigger punches and didn't look like wobbling. Price took an average shot and was all over the gaff. Ergo he is china chinned.

And "ergo" was where you went wrong.....

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:

Boxtthis wrote:

azania wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:Points of note:

1.) Vitali's chin impervious to meteorites.

2.)Vitali not the fighter he was

3.) Price not proven over the distance.

4.)Price's chin not proven against someone with sustained (like it or not..).. world class offence.

5) Price is over-hyped on these boards.

Didn't just about everyone that responded to this thread say that Price is too inexperienced? Don't see much over-hyping there. Putting words in people's mouths again Az? He's got great physical attributes and solid technique, and, being British, people on a predominately UK boxing forum are bound to be a bit more interested in him than, say, an undefeated Russian prospect. That's only natural. But, on the whole, responses on here seem to suggest that Price's lack of experience in big fights makes it difficult to mention him with the top levels of the division. That's quite a reasoned and restrained argument as far as I can read in to it. It's very far from 'hype'.

On this thread perhaps. On other threads one would think he is the second coming. I know you guys like to build up your sports stars and knock them down again. But Price's opponents will be doing the knocking down. yes he's big, strong and talented. You only have to watch him to see his talent. But I question his temperament and can see him freezing like Bambi in headlights. I doubt he trusts his chin and will be safety first until tagged.

No wonder you loved Gordy so much, you think like him too.

I may hate what you say, but I will defend your right to say it. I said some here are what Stalin described as useful idiots. I was corrected by Capt C. It was Lenin who said that. But the point fits and if the cap fits, wear it.

Unsure of what the relevance of any of that is (tho I do remember I, and everyone else, enjoyed watching the Captain pwn you that time). My point, in case it wasn't clear, is that nobody is saying Price is the second coming of Ali (as has been pointed out on this thread already) but you do your usual exaggerations to distrort reality and come up with a Gordy like argument.

azania wrote:Box

1) Khan does things which wouldn't be an issue if it was from another boxer. As for race issues, if that's what you see in my post about Khan, no worries.

2) Fury is also British but he gets viscious abuse here. I await your staunch defence of him on par with what you wrote about Price above.

1) SEE race issues?? You did an ENTIRE THREAD saying that Khan's haters were all racists. And actually used the term. So no, nobody is mistakenly reading between the lines here.

2) Fury is a pikey. Fury punches himself in the face. Fury talks about himself like the second coming. Fury disrespects the sport by not even bothering to get into shape or train properly. Fury has no amateur pedigree to talk about. Fury wasn't beaten by Price in the amateurs. As for being 'British', he turned Irish very quick when Price was his mandatory

None of these apply to Price but all contribute to the general dislike/disrespect of Fury.

Here is something to think about...

I dont think Price, before getting stopped, scored a point against Camarelle.

Camarelle is a southpaw and so is Audley....dun-dun-duuun!

Is Fury practicing southpaw knowing a Price fight is impending and thinks he struggle's against them?

anyway....has Price fought any southpaws as a Pro?

If so, I guess he done well... (he is unbeaten afterall)

TheMackemMawler wrote:Here is something to think about...

I dont think Price, before getting stopped, scored a point against Camarelle.

Camarelle is a southpaw and so is Audley....dun-dun-duuun!

Is Fury practicing southpaw knowing a Price fight is impending and thinks he struggle's against them?

Good theory. I guess we'll find out something about it when he goes up against the one and only A-force.

There is only one a-force

Not sure Price will be able to deal with the work-rate.

Az,

Good chance if Lenin said something, and Stalin liked it, then he would say it too.

Anyway,

I've quickly looked into it, and I think, the last southpaw that Price faced was Camarelle.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:

Boxtthis wrote:

azania wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:Points of note:

1.) Vitali's chin impervious to meteorites.

2.)Vitali not the fighter he was

3.) Price not proven over the distance.

4.)Price's chin not proven against someone with sustained (like it or not..).. world class offence.

5) Price is over-hyped on these boards.

Didn't just about everyone that responded to this thread say that Price is too inexperienced? Don't see much over-hyping there. Putting words in people's mouths again Az? He's got great physical attributes and solid technique, and, being British, people on a predominately UK boxing forum are bound to be a bit more interested in him than, say, an undefeated Russian prospect. That's only natural. But, on the whole, responses on here seem to suggest that Price's lack of experience in big fights makes it difficult to mention him with the top levels of the division. That's quite a reasoned and restrained argument as far as I can read in to it. It's very far from 'hype'.

On this thread perhaps. On other threads one would think he is the second coming. I know you guys like to build up your sports stars and knock them down again. But Price's opponents will be doing the knocking down. yes he's big, strong and talented. You only have to watch him to see his talent. But I question his temperament and can see him freezing like Bambi in headlights. I doubt he trusts his chin and will be safety first until tagged.

No wonder you loved Gordy so much, you think like him too.

I may hate what you say, but I will defend your right to say it. I said some here are what Stalin described as useful idiots. I was corrected by Capt C. It was Lenin who said that. But the point fits and if the cap fits, wear it.

Unsure of what the relevance of any of that is (tho I do remember I, and everyone else, enjoyed watching the Captain pwn you that time). My point, in case it wasn't clear, is that nobody is saying Price is the second coming of Ali (as has been pointed out on this thread already) but you do your usual exaggerations to distrort reality and come up with a Gordy like argument.

So what if Capt "owne" me. He is a very knowledgeable poster and sounds like a great person. My point is, Price is over-hyped and imo after seeing him dance the bambi dance, chinny.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:Box

1) Khan does things which wouldn't be an issue if it was from another boxer. As for race issues, if that's what you see in my post about Khan, no worries.

2) Fury is also British but he gets viscious abuse here. I await your staunch defence of him on par with what you wrote about Price above.

1) SEE race issues?? You did an ENTIRE THREAD saying that Khan's haters were all racists. And actually used the term. So no, nobody is mistakenly reading between the lines here.

2) Fury is a pikey. Fury punches himself in the face. Fury talks about himself like the second coming. Fury disrespects the sport by not even bothering to get into shape or train properly. Fury has no amateur pedigree to talk about. Fury wasn't beaten by Price in the amateurs. As for being 'British', he turned Irish very quick when Price was his mandatory

None of these apply to Price but all contribute to the general dislike/disrespect of Fury.

Race issues? Are you a few trees short of a rainforest? Read what I was responding to before you jump in with both feet in your mouth.

What is a pikey? Some sort of fish?

Seanusarrilius wrote:Stay with me people.

Vitali looked slow and ponderous in his last two fights. I gave him a pass for chis, cos I thought Chis was decent and heard Klit was injured. But fromt e God awful showing against Charr it is clear to me that Vitali is spent.

Haye would smash him now IMO...would he?

Price would have a chance

Discuss

for me Price is far to novice to be in the same ring as Vitali, even though Vitali has really slowed with age he still has the iron chin, experience and a dig to rival his younger brother something price just could not defend against at his level of experience he needs at least four to five more fights with good opposition before even challenging for a world title, by that time Vitali will be prime minister and Vladamir will be playing an Arthur Scargill type roll.

Price should fight Charr and get himself used to being on the receiving end of an angry crowd allowing the Germans to see how good he might be. If he looks good then Boente will give him a shot at Vitali. Easy.

Agree with the consensus. Although price has potential he's far too inexperienced to stand a chance against an experienced, hard as nails, accomplished world champion like Vitali even if he has slowed down considerably.

If Vit doesn't make it in politics this autumn it's hard to imagine him not fighting haye next year, there is a genuine grudge and a lot of money to be made. I could see haye outpointing him with hit and run tactics similar to his strategy against valuev - although of course Vit is much more mobile and haye would have his work cut out for 12 rounds, but vitali is getting to the point where he's gonna be turned over due his age and slowing down - id fancy haye for the job but not price.

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:I did look up the Camarelle fight which is why I know you're talking out your backside.

If I've got time to waste later I'll do the same with his pro debut.

Sorry Top, not talking out of my rear end this time. Are you suggesting that he wasn't wobbled and the ref stopped the fight for no reason? He bambi'd and was stopped. Great stoppage and referreeing. Check out his pro debut. The guy is chinny. Vit only has to look at it and Price will be lookin at the ceiling. He should advertise the soles of his boots when he steps up.

I think the Camarelle fight was a pathetically soft stoppage that'd never have happened in the pros. And you don't say 'wobbled', you talk about bambi on ice and chicken dance as if it was Judah v Kosta. He was rocked back against the ropes by a world class amateur. I'm not the one distorting reality (as usual).

Have checked the pro debut and can't for the life of me work out what happened. The ref paused the fight for warn him for a shoulder shove, he stood upright with his hands down and the other guy swang a hayemaker at this unprotected chin and Price stayed standing and walked over to his corner. I didn't have sound and it was a small screen so maybe I'll think different when I watch it at home but that was too unusual an incident to draw conclusions from IMO.

"I think"

That is where your issues seem to start my friend

In the amateur game it was a correct stoppage. The point is, Joshua took bigger punches and didn't look like wobbling. Price took an average shot and was all over the gaff. Ergo he is china chinned.

Watched the debut fight on with volume and in full screen. HAHAHA only you would use something so pathetic to call someone chinny for no reason (see prev comments re Canelo).

The ref quite clearly calls 'stop boxing' so Price drops his hands, turns away and the other (Heavyweigt) boxer sucker punches with a free swing right to the chops. Yes Price looks shaken up and spaced but he doesn't go down - even from a free widen open shot. If anything that's a testament to his chin, the critique should be of his inexperience showing by not protecting himself at all times. Forgiveable for a pro debut.

Then what happens? He goes back out furious and smashes seven shades of sh*t out of the other guy before knocking him out cold with an absolute beauty.