World Cup Qualifiers Thread 12th October

by Duty281 Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:07 pm

Wales v Scotland (19:45)
England v San Marino (20:00)

Battle of Britain on Friday night should be interesting, while the only real talking point about England's game is can England hit double figures?

Predictions:

Wales 2-1 Scotland
England 7-0 San Marino

by RinoGattuso Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:48 pm

I hate internationals.

by **Crimey** Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:04 pm

Rooney is going to captain England as well. Will be interesting to see if it has an effect on his temperament. Surprised Joe Hart wasn't given the armband before Rooney.

by monty junior Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:40 pm

Predictions

Wales 0 Scotland 2
England 0 San Marino 0

by Duty281 Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:35 pm

Hoping we get 10+ tonight. San Marino are officially the joint-worst team in the World and only have 1 pro player. Rooney to score 4+!

by Guest Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:46 pm

Is anybody watching the shooting practice tonight? I'll probably watch the Wales/Scotland match.

England should bag at least 8.

by Kay Fabe Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:14 pm

8-3 to Scotland tonight

by Liam Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:22 pm

Can't wait for Wales-Scotland tonight. Massive game for both, Wales I hope will come out with real intensity to prove a point after that horrendous display vs Serbia. I just hope they install some pride that has been lost in the red jersey since Gary's death.

by Guest Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:37 pm

Irrelevant stat: Wales haven't drawn a match (competitive or friendly) in 41 games. Quite staggering that in international football. 0-0 it is then!

by Duty281 Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:10 am

Away from Britain, Russia have beaten Portugal 1-0. That leaves Portugal slightly adrift in 2nd place.

by Dave. Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:39 am

Is the Scotland Wales match free to air?

by Duty281 Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:46 am

Dave. wrote:Is the Scotland Wales match free to air?

Sky Sports 1.

by Dave. Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:48 am

None of the regions showing it, like S4C?

by Duty281 Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:02 am

Dave. wrote:None of the regions showing it, like S4C?

Not that I can see. England team for tonight:

Hart; Walker, Cahill, Jagielka, Baines; Carrick, Cleverley, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain; Rooney, Welbeck.

by The Special Juan Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:16 am

ROUTE 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yahoo

by JamesLincs Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:25 am

it could be a true underdog story, but against all the odds, can we beat san marino? in all seriousness, i dont like itv taking the pee out of san marino scoring that goal after 10 odd seconds

by The Special Juan Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:29 am

I've been thinking for days that England will labour to a 1-0 win or something similar. Because the players are so gullible (except Baines who I hear is quite clever), they will turn up and expect to win.

by Guest Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:36 am

God Andy Townsend talks some rubbish. How was Wellbeck cute in winning that penalty?

by The Special Juan Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:38 am

Plays for Man Utd so therefore it's a dive (or he went down "easy") Rolling Eyes

Anyway, it won't be a laboured 1-0 win or something.

by Colan (niner) Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:42 am

Scotland fans once again showing why they are best in the world, seeing the fans continue to sing the entire national anthem despite the singer doing only a few verses was classic, especially when she started to sing the wales one during it and got drowned out . I know Wales haven't had a great football time of late but the lack of support is embarassng. 7000 Scotland fans sound like 50,000, i was expecting some back and forth was the atmosphere but seems not

by Guest Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:30 am

Ireland have taken a real tonking tonight. Currently 6-0 down. Is Trap's time up?

by Colan (niner) Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:40 am

Gutted that Scotland lost out and despite having to admit that Wales were great 2nd half, I can't praise diving. Bale has had two blatant dives, one for spurs last week and this one for the penalty. Add to that the disallowed goal for Scotland and constant diving of Aaron Ramsey, I can't help but feel frustrated. I actually moaned about Commons falling over a little too easily but maybe we should have laid out to get some momentum

by Guest Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:43 am

Bale is making a real reputation for himself and doing himself no favours in the process.

by Colan (niner) Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:45 am

world class player and a great watch, but kissing the badge and acting cocky to the camera after taking a dive leaves me a little disappointed in football tbh

by Guest Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:47 am

Sad stuff Niner. Totally agree with ya.

Regarding Scotland do you think Levien has to go?

by Colan (niner) Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:52 am

I think he should but wouldn't happen until after Belgium game. After all Scotland have a habit of playing their best and getting results against the top teams. I never wanted Levein in the first place, don't think his tactics are anywhere near good enough and don't like his arrogance.

by Duty281 Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:57 am

Simples for England, but San Marino were really negative, 11 men behind the ball. Still, it's 3 points closer to the World Cup and Ukraine got held to a draw today so that's even better. Wales beating Scotland Laugh

Scotland deffo aren't going to Brazil, what a shame! Laugh

by Guest Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:16 am

San Marino only play one way though Duty. No disrespect to the smaller footballing nations but what do they bring to the party? Time for a review I think.

I wont take any joy from Scotland's demise as my mother is from the great land and I always want them to do well.

by The Special Juan Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:34 am

Duty281 wrote:Wales beating Scotland Scotland deffo aren't going to Brazil, what a shame!

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And people wonder why Scottish people dislike the English when it comes to football.

by Guest Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:38 am

The Special Juan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Wales beating Scotland Scotland deffo aren't going to Brazil, what a shame!

And people wonder why Scottish people dislike the English when it comes to football.

They dislike English people full stop. My mother hates my guts. Laugh

by Colan (niner) Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:08 am

I don't dislike England, also have family down south. Just think the fans aren't the sort that create a good atmosphere wise and that they are an overrated team. I know most England fans aren't deluded but I've been unfortunate enough to be down there in 2006 world cup and 2012 euro's and all i heard is how they would win it. I like England the country but would root against the football team every time. Maybe it's just a Scottish thing, we all hate the football team, but not the place or people (well maybe 80% do....)

by Ent Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:37 am

Bale and ramseyxshould e ashamed of themselves. Bale needs a long band one of the worst divers to grace the game.

As for the emerald isle think we did alright, unfortunate score line but Germany had an on night scoring with 6/8 shots on target and I thought we played alright. Reid looks to be some player.

by Ent Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:43 am

Reus not Reid damn auto correct

by Guest Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:44 am

England never will win a major international tournament in my lifetime and I say that because we are never making strides towards doing so. We boast of being a footballing super-power when in reality we are 2nd tier at best. The last decent England side I have seen was the great Bobby Robson's side in 1990.

Yes we had a memorable Euro 96 where we went out on penalties in the semi's but even then we drew 3 of our 5 games (90 minutes and extra time) all of which where held at Wembley or more to the point at home.

The minimum requirement for the English national team is qualification to the next major tournament and the maximum requirement is a quarter finals exit. I agree Niner that there are many England deluded England supporters that genuinely believe that we will one day go all the way but it just ain't gonna happen.

Those responsible for creating the Premier League boasted that it would benefit the national team but the fact is it's actually taken us back and the hole is getting deeper. Apart from making very average footballers very wealthy men the Premier League has done nothing to enhance the England football team whatsoever.

The performance tonight was adequate but when your manager is jumping out of his seat after you go 2-0 up against the mighty San Marino it says everything you need to know. We are what we are.... average.

by monty junior Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:17 am

Bale is a magnificent player but he is a monkey pussed cheat. He even lied in the interview after, Maloney clearly never touched him and he kicked his own leg, that with the utterly baffling dissallowed goal for Fletcher. It wasn't even close to going out?

To be fair we were rubbish again, playing against a struggling defense we barely had a go in the second half, the game should have been done. Don't know who to be angry at, the cheat, Levein or the linesmen. If it wasn't done before it definetely is now, Belgium away next, no hope in hell.

by Adam D Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:22 pm

niner wrote:Scotland fans once again showing why they are best in the world, seeing the fans continue to sing the entire national anthem despite the singer doing only a few verses was classic, especially when she started to sing the wales one during it and got drowned out . I know Wales haven't had a great football time of late but the lack of support is embarassng. 7000 Scotland fans sound like 50,000, i was expecting some back and forth was the atmosphere but seems not

I was at the game last night and to me the Scots showed a complete lack of disrespect towards the WElsh by singing over their anthem. If it had been vice versa, the Scots would be up in arms (and quite rightly so).

Well done Wales - a good result after another poor performance. ANd Bale was not very good all night in my opinion. The Welsh crowd in the second half were excellent.

by Colan (niner) Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:05 pm

Have to disagree Adam, the singer didn't know the words to the anthem and sung only half the song. I've been to every home Scotland game since 2002 and quite a few away days and the song has always been sung in full. I'd get the point if the anthem was finished and then the Scotland funs done it, but they cut it half way through and I would have done the exact same thing had I been there. Agree with the Wales fans, was a little disappointed with them in the first half being so quiet, especially because Scotland weren't playing well but they emerged in the second. I though Bale was great all night, a diving cheat but a top player, not often you see one man tear a defense to shreds. I can see why someone that doesn't know the Scots anthem might think they were rude to the Welsh anthem. But as a Scot, I find it disrespectful to sing the wrong words, and cut the song halfway through without even singing the chorus.

by Duty281 Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:31 pm

FreekShow wrote:England never will win a major international tournament in my lifetime and I say that because we are never making strides towards doing so. We boast of being a footballing super-power when in reality we are 2nd tier at best. The last decent England side I have seen was the great Bobby Robson's side in 1990.

Yes we had a memorable Euro 96 where we went out on penalties in the semi's but even then we drew 3 of our 5 games (90 minutes and extra time) all of which where held at Wembley or more to the point at home.

The minimum requirement for the English national team is qualification to the next major tournament and the maximum requirement is a quarter finals exit. I agree Niner that there are many England deluded England supporters that genuinely believe that we will one day go all the way but it just ain't gonna happen.

Those responsible for creating the Premier League boasted that it would benefit the national team but the fact is it's actually taken us back and the hole is getting deeper. Apart from making very average footballers very wealthy men the Premier League has done nothing to enhance the England football team whatsoever.

The performance tonight was adequate but when your manager is jumping out of his seat after you go 2-0 up against the mighty San Marino it says everything you need to know. We are what we are.... average.

People forget we would have made the Final in 2002 had we been on the other side of the draw to Brazil (though we'd still have lost in the Final). People forget that we'd have probably won Euro 2004 if it wasn't for Urs Meier. People forget we were robbed blind in 2006 and 2010. People forget we drew 0-0 in 2012 with the second best team in Europe over 120 minutes while racked with injuries. I have full confidence that if 2014 isn't our year, 2016 will be.

by lorus59 Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:17 pm

If there was a picture to describe optimism in the dictionary, then it would be Duty's. England is a decent team and hard to beat, but if there was a world league in which the top 20 countries (I assume England would be there) played each other home and away, I think the best England could hope for is a top 8 finish.

by JamesLincs Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:52 pm

im pretty sure maloney clipped bales leg causing him to bring himself down, not really a dive is it

by **hampo17** Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:20 pm

Haven't seen the incident but is the contact really enough to make him go down? Remember Suarez was labelled a diver after going down against United after a clash of knees.

by Colan (niner) Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:40 pm

From looking at the incident again, Bale clips his own feet together. That alone doesn't mke him a cheat, but the way he left the air for no reason afterwards and started moaning to the ref is embarassing. Unfortunately he has developed a reputation as a diver and as of now, I'm starting to buy into it after seeing him dive, or go down easy in his last 3 games. Ramsey dived a few times as well which was frustrating. Even if Maloney did slightly touch him, nobody will ever be able to convince me his little dive into the air afterwards was a natural movement. Unfortunately great players like Bale get the benefit of the doubt even when they cheat

by Duty281 Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:19 pm

lorus59 wrote:If there was a picture to describe optimism in the dictionary, then it would be Duty's. England is a decent team and hard to beat, but if there was a world league in which the top 20 countries (I assume England would be there) played each other home and away, I think the best England could hope for is a top 8 finish.

This is a question people tend to avoid: Who would you stake your life on to beat England?

Brazil and Spain, yes probably. But who after that? France/Italy couldn't beat us at Euro 2012. We have a 50/50 record against the Germans since 2000. Argentina couldn't beat us in 98, and lost in 2002 and 2005. Portugal couldn't beat England in 04 or 06. Holland are cack defensively and did worse than England at Euro 2012. Croatia lost 4-1 and 5-1 last time Uruguay? No. Colombia? No. Russia? No. Greece? You're having a laugh.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:11 pm

With Bale, why dive when you can pull off pieces of magic like this?

http://ccooper.co.uk/images/balegoal.gif

Everyone is talking about his dive and not that brilliant goal for the winner

by lorus59 Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:22 pm

Duty281 wrote:
lorus59 wrote:If there was a picture to describe optimism in the dictionary, then it would be Duty's. England is a decent team and hard to beat, but if there was a world league in which the top 20 countries (I assume England would be there) played each other home and away, I think the best England could hope for is a top 8 finish.

This is a question people tend to avoid: Who would you stake your life on to beat England?

Brazil and Spain, yes probably. But who after that? France/Italy couldn't beat us at Euro 2012. We have a 50/50 record against the Germans since 2000. Argentina couldn't beat us in 98, and lost in 2002 and 2005. Portugal couldn't beat England in 04 or 06. Holland are cack defensively and did worse than England at Euro 2012. Croatia lost 4-1 and 5-1 last time Uruguay? No. Colombia? No. Russia? No. Greece? You're having a laugh.

Let's be honest, if it was a league, England may not get beaten that many times they you would not win that many either. So many drawn games would put them mid-table. In most of those drawn games England rode their luck and were usually out played. I think you would have to say Belgium is also a superior team.

by Guest Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:59 pm

So what you are saying Duty is England can very well be considered the 3rd best side in the world?

by Guest Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:09 pm

Olly wrote:With Bale, why dive when you can pull off pieces of magic like this?

http://ccooper.co.uk/images/balegoal.gif

Everyone is talking about his dive and not that brilliant goal for the winner

It's the same with Maradonna's hand of god goal. He scored arguably the greatest goal in World Cup history in the same match but that barely gets a mention, on these shores anyway.

Had that handball been spotted we'd have undoubtedly gone on to win that World Cup with ease......

by Duty281 Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:37 pm

FreekShow wrote:So what you are saying Duty is England can very well be considered the 3rd best side in the world?

Probably joint 3rd with Germany. Not really sure about Belgium yet, we'll get a real understanding of what they can do in June 2014.

by RinoGattuso Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:45 pm

Duty281 wrote:
FreekShow wrote:England never will win a major international tournament in my lifetime and I say that because we are never making strides towards doing so. We boast of being a footballing super-power when in reality we are 2nd tier at best. The last decent England side I have seen was the great Bobby Robson's side in 1990.

Yes we had a memorable Euro 96 where we went out on penalties in the semi's but even then we drew 3 of our 5 games (90 minutes and extra time) all of which where held at Wembley or more to the point at home.

The minimum requirement for the English national team is qualification to the next major tournament and the maximum requirement is a quarter finals exit. I agree Niner that there are many England deluded England supporters that genuinely believe that we will one day go all the way but it just ain't gonna happen.

Those responsible for creating the Premier League boasted that it would benefit the national team but the fact is it's actually taken us back and the hole is getting deeper. Apart from making very average footballers very wealthy men the Premier League has done nothing to enhance the England football team whatsoever.

The performance tonight was adequate but when your manager is jumping out of his seat after you go 2-0 up against the mighty San Marino it says everything you need to know. We are what we are.... average.

People forget we would have made the Final in 2002 had we been on the other side of the draw to Brazil (though we'd still have lost in the Final). People forget that we'd have probably won Euro 2004 if it wasn't for Urs Meier. People forget we were robbed blind in 2006 and 2010. People forget we drew 0-0 in 2012 with the second best team in Europe over 120 minutes while racked with injuries. I have full confidence that if 2014 isn't our year, 2016 will be.

Fuxache.

by RinoGattuso Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:46 pm

Olly wrote:With Bale, why dive when you can pull off pieces of magic like this?

http://ccooper.co.uk/images/balegoal.gif

Everyone is talking about his dive and not that brilliant goal for the winner

It wouldn't have been a winner if he didn't dive for the first, tool.

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