Simpson-Daniel for the Lions

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Clearly the fella can not be called up to the England squad without breaking down the moment he walks in to Penny Hill, however, can the Lions overlook his considerable talents? Furthermore, would he make the test team?

Sgt_Pooly wrote:No he wouldn't have been up there as he can't defend!!!

There's some serious romantics on this site

I think your lack of willingness to challenge your own preconceived ideas is sad. Just because we reiterate something time and again doesn't make it right. Clearly you contribute often to the site and that's great but as with rugby it's all about balance.

JSD might not be up there with some of Rugby's top defenders but he's nowhere near as inept as you make out. Indeed the Barbarians game in 2011 where he did rush out of the line and fail to make the hit, moments later saw him come back around and put the tackle in on the following play.

It's an opinions site Chjw.

My opinion is JSD isn't that great and he has poor defence.

Your opinion is different, neither is right or wrong, they're just opinions.

HKC
thanks, what a team comeback.
And yes, S-D made Dayglo look silly, and after what ? previous 16 Wasps phases? In front of the Shed too.. must have made them delirious !
What is curious is that in all these clips he broke up defences and made tries for his team-mates. He can score them too.

There is also his debut for BaaBaas... if someone can find the clip.

Awesome work on the life story, Rugby Fan!

It's clear that JSD's exclusion was predominantly down to injuries. I can't believe the unfortunate timing, it's something I haven't really noticed watching him at Glaws. It's a shame; he almost always delivered in some way when on the international scene and I'm just grateful he's still playing the same way many moons later. Legend.

gregortree wrote:Sinbad was doing this 10 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_mLbOP2oTA

And is still doing it today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdq6xy0NYhA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KAN84ixyRs

Many B&I wingers are speed brutes, but not many wingers have Sinbad's step, now that Shane has retired.

Great clips. The dummy at around 20 secs here had me off my seat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV0XrH6bCDY

Chjw131 wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:No he wouldn't have been up there as he can't defend!!!

There's some serious romantics on this site

I think your lack of willingness to challenge your own preconceived ideas is sad. Just because we reiterate something time and again doesn't make it right. Clearly you contribute often to the site and that's great but as with rugby it's all about balance.

JSD might not be up there with some of Rugby's top defenders but he's nowhere near as inept as you make out. Indeed the Barbarians game in 2011 where he did rush out of the line and fail to make the hit, moments later saw him come back around and put the tackle in on the following play.

Didn't Visser score from a kick when JSD missed his tackle?

If he did go as an extremely surprising pick he definitely has the talent to work his way into the test team once they're out there!

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Jimpy wrote:A survey has shown that 7 out of 10 people when questioned, think that those who endlessly regurgitate statistics on public forums not only bore the cack out of everyone else, but probably have little willies too.

Nice work on that regurgitating that statistic

Yes, I wondered how long it would be until somebody spotted the deliberate irony.

I often wonder if statistics are to be trusted or not, because they can pretty much say anything you want. But when talking emperically, (numbers of tries scored, yards run etc.) then they can be useful, but when used to quantify a player's talent - not so much so methinks.

Also, people who constantly use statistics to try and prove a point display a certain inflexibility in their thought don't you think?

Jimpy wrote:

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Jimpy wrote:A survey has shown that 7 out of 10 people when questioned, think that those who endlessly regurgitate statistics on public forums not only bore the cack out of everyone else, but probably have little willies too.

Nice work on that regurgitating that statistic

Yes, I wondered how long it would be until somebody spotted the deliberate irony.

I often wonder if statistics are to be trusted or not, because they can pretty much say anything you want. But when talking emperically, (numbers of tries scored, yards run etc.) then they can be useful, but when used to quantify a player's talent - not so much so methinks.

Also, people who constantly use statistics to try and prove a point display a certain inflexibility in their thought don't you think?

As someone who gets paid to compile statistics to prove points Jimpy I'm somewhat inclined to call for tar and feathers . That said, there's a time and place for statistics and they're not the be-all-and-end-all (ps, my workmates didn't hear than alright).

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Jimpy wrote:A survey has shown that 7 out of 10 people when questioned, think that those who endlessly regurgitate statistics on public forums not only bore the cack out of everyone else, but probably have little willies too.

Nice work on that regurgitating that statistic

Yes, I wondered how long it would be until somebody spotted the deliberate irony.

I often wonder if statistics are to be trusted or not, because they can pretty much say anything you want. But when talking emperically, (numbers of tries scored, yards run etc.) then they can be useful, but when used to quantify a player's talent - not so much so methinks.

Also, people who constantly use statistics to try and prove a point display a certain inflexibility in their thought don't you think?

As someone who gets paid to compile statistics to prove points Jimpy I'm somewhat inclined to call for tar and feathers . That said, there's a time and place for statistics and they're not the be-all-and-end-all (ps, my workmates didn't hear than alright).

Well, 90% of them didn't hear you and of the 10% that did, 5% showed antipathy to your comments. Probably.

I don't think Simpson Daniel has missed selection for England because of doubts over his defence. When you look at the chronology of his career, one of the clearest times he was overlooked, despite being tipped by several media pundits for inclusion, was for the 2008 Six Nations. Jason Robinson had retired, Strettle was injured but Ashton chose to hand Lesley Vainikolo a first cap.

Vainikolo was hardly a defensive titan, and Ashton actually presented his choice as a positive option. It's perhaps ironic that Sinbad suffered worst under the England coach who most favoured creative, attacking players, during the season when he was in the form of his life.

What does seem certain is that injury denied JSD a run of caps in key games, which meant England coaches never thought of automatically slotting him back in once he recovered. It doesn't take that many appearances to do so, as Tom Wood currently demonstrates. The Northampton man only has nine caps but there was never any question of being dropped to confirm his form.

Conversely, coaches always treated Sinbad as if needed to reconfirm his form at club level, so he missed out on several campaigns where he would have finally got a chance to flourish or fail.

I do think he shot himself in the foot in 2009. The 2007-8 season had been his best to date. A good performance in 2008-9 could have seen him on the plane with the Lions. He was due to be in Johnson's first XV but picked up that terrible injury which put him out for three months. He wasn't considered for the Six Nations but Johnson did want him to tour Argentina in summer. He said no.

That seems daft to me. He explained afterwards that he was getting married and wanted to be fit for the following season. The thing is, I bet if he'd been selected for the Lions that year as a wild card, he'd have gone in a shot.

He would have started that season with high hopes of catching the eye. Even though didn't make it back into the England team, he would have been hoping that McGeechan might yet look beyond members of the four squads for Lions candidates. He must have been feeling very low when he wasn't chosen, and perhaps that influenced his decision not to tour.

It was a mistake, because it would have been a chance to get his first England start in four years. Johnson must have known that Simpson Daniel would have gone on the Lions tour, so he can't have been impressed at hearing he wanted to pass on Argentina.

If he had gone, he might have stayed in the frame during 2010 and ended up a genuine contender for the World Cup squad. Instead, all he got was a short stint at the summer camp. By that stage, it would have taken something very special to cause Johnson to revise his thinking.

thomh wrote:

Chjw131 wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:No he wouldn't have been up there as he can't defend!!!

There's some serious romantics on this site

I think your lack of willingness to challenge your own preconceived ideas is sad. Just because we reiterate something time and again doesn't make it right. Clearly you contribute often to the site and that's great but as with rugby it's all about balance.

JSD might not be up there with some of Rugby's top defenders but he's nowhere near as inept as you make out. Indeed the Barbarians game in 2011 where he did rush out of the line and fail to make the hit, moments later saw him come back around and put the tackle in on the following play.

Didn't Visser score from a kick when JSD missed his tackle?

Yes, he did. We saw the best and worst of Sinbad that day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRodgJflBkA

Take a look at 4:33 and then 6:55.

As if on cue Sinbad leaves yesterdays game early due to a leg injury.

What is it that he needs to do at this time of year outside of rugby that forces him to always get injured??

George Carlin

Wrong link. Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rIwoE_6SkE&feature=related

yappysnap wrote:As if on cue Sinbad leaves yesterdays game early due to a leg injury.


What is it that he needs to do at this time of year outside of rugby that forces him to always get injured??

Simple- he's Father Christmas and he needs to prepare for the big day

Very cunning disguise too

"Gloucester suffer Simpson-Daniel blow"

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2012-13/rugby/story/173408.html

Gloucester will have to cope without star winger James Simpson-Daniel for up to four months after the flyer was sidelined with a shoulder injury. Simpson-Daniel suffered the injury in training in what coach Nigel Davies labelled an "innocuous incident". He has undergone surgery on the shoulder and will miss the next three to four months.

Just hope when the time comes he leaves his body to medical science - it must read like a text book.

We all cursed him! He get's talked up for England, he gets injured; he stops playing for England and has a lengthy injury free run; we start talking him up for the Lions, he get's injured!

Such a shame as he has been a delight to watch this season and has been playing as good as he ever has.

Time for the "if only" crew to come out and spout some rubbish.

Like he was ever in line to tour with the Lions anyway, he can't even get past Sharples(no defence) and Monye(no threat in the 22) for the England jersey!

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Time for the "if only" crew to come out and spout some rubbish.

Like he was ever in line to tour with the Lions anyway, he can't even get past Sharples(no defence) and Monye(no threat in the 22) for the England jersey!

We all knew it was never going to happen, but just to point out you state he can't get past Sharples, yet every Glaws supporter openly admits our best English winger doesn't play for England. I watch him week in week out (well not for the next 3-4 months anyway!) and there is no way you can consider Sharples a better player, he is faster and has a better kick, but Sinbad is superior in every other aspect. Moreover he provides a level of creativity that England is screaming out for and one that will be sorely missed by Glaws.

Plus, he would never get the ball anyway.

Although Sharples got picked by SL, he is arguably 4th choice wing at Glaws! Maybe 3rd now JSD is crippled.

Sinbad
is going into recovery & recuperation for a while now, to get into tip top condition in time for the Lions tour.

JSD might be good enough to play for the Lions but there are ample better options and he also doesnt play international rugby which would make him a very long shot so why even consider him?

He 100% won't even be considered

Wum alert chaps,
this is highly tongue in cheek, or boot in knee, or in shoulder etc etc

Sgt_Pooly wrote:He 100% won't even be considered

Quite right, he hasnt even done a season of the Batchelor