Haye vs Klitschko prediction?

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I know it has probably been done before but been new I am interested to hear your views on who will win, and how? etc...

I believe that Wlad will beat Haye by late KO or on points, however in my heart I hope that Haye wins. Just can't see him getting past Wlad's jab even with his speed I think he will stuggle to cope with the speed and power of the jab. Haye may have the power to hurt Wlad, hoping he can find away through Wlad's defence.

compelling and rich wrote:ive not been so undecided in a fight for a long time!!

I understand your predictament, but I do think this is a case of heart ruling the head. I can only see a Wlad win on this, although I will be very happy if I'm proven wrong

bhb001 wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:ive not been so undecided in a fight for a long time!!

I understand your predictament, but I do think this is a case of heart ruling the head. I can only see a Wlad win on this, although I will be very happy if I'm proven wrong

yeah quite possibly although i normally let my head rule my heart, i was backing mayweather and paco v hatton even though my heart wanted a hatton win. i am favoring wlad just at the minute, but something just niggles me that haye 's got his number. i cant even predict how just a gut feeling. id imagine wlad is the bookies favourite?

CnR had a look at the odds last week and he is indeed the favourite. The best value odds looked to be Wlad inside the distance which was around 13-10 but would guess as the fight approaches there will be a lot of money for Haye so Wlad may be better value by Saturday

I think Haye is better prepared for Wlad than the other way round, he's used to being the smaller man albeit against a lower level of fighter but Wlad isn't used to being outsped by a power puncher with Hayes ability.

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Raymond wrote:Just reading through this and no one has mentioned the power of Wlad's right, it would stop a truck. Haye's in for a long night.

contradiction surely? if wlad lands the right, hayes in for a very quick night[/quote

Wlad doesn't throw it until he is set, but yes if it does land it's lights out for Haye.

don't know why this hasn't come up as a quote.

I'm really torn, sensible prediction would be Wlad by stoppage around the 9th after softening Haye up with the jab, grabbing when ever Haye comes inside, and protecting his chin with his right glove at all times.

However, one lapse and it could be turned upside down providing Haye takes his opportunity to pull the trigger.

So, as I prepare to remove these splinters from my backside, I will say Wlad TKO9 or Haye TKO4.

Not sure predicting both fighters can really be considered getting off the fence Fists. Have predicted Wlad since the fight was announced and will stick with that prediction, think he will soften him up and stop him late in the fight. If my prediction on the Rhodes fight is anything to go by this will surely guarantee a resounding Haye victory

compelling and rich wrote:ive not been so undecided in a fight for a long time!!

Am tellin yer. I havent got a clue who will win this. Will have to mull over it over the next few days. My intial prediction was Wlad but since seeing the HBO faceoff am not so sure.

Sorry, think that was miscontrued, I should have said "preparing to remove these splinters from my backside, whilst still sat firmly on the fence" (a difficult operation, I know).

Really can't call it, though gun to head I'd say Wlad in rounds 9-12.

Let's hope for a resounding Haye victory, pretty sure it'd be one of those 'where were you at the time' moments.

Really stuck on this fight.

If Haye wins I feel he has to win early by stoppage.

If he allows Wlad to get into his stride and tie him up on the inside then I can see Wlad stopping a very tired Haye late on, round 10 onwards or a healthy points margin.

So I guess I'll go for Haye in the first 4 rounds or Wlad late stoppage or points.

Comfy this fence I'm sitting on!!!

HumanWindmill wrote:For all his athleticism and speed I don't believe Haye has the orthodox skills with which to beat Klitschko to the jab, either by slipping and countering or blocking and countering. The number of times he found himself on the end of the Ruiz jab is a matter for concern, since Klitschko's jab is a very potent weapon.

The key to this fight is all about Haye's timing. He cannot afford it to be like what we saw against Ruiz, otherwise he could be in for a long night and lose.

If Haye can get the timing right then I believe he more than quick enough to counter Wlad throughout the fight and if that happens I expect Wlad to go into his shell as the fight wares on worried about being KO'ed. I don't think his stamina will be a problem in this one, and with his reactions he should be quick enough to roll with any punches he spots should Wlad get through his defence. Right now if it goes the full 12 I already see Wlad with a 3-4 round head start from round 1 based on it being in Germany, so Haye need to make sure he's busy in the rounds otherwise the fight will be awarded to Wlad. A performance like Valuev will means he loses on the scorecards.

Though Wlad will be the bookies favourite (and rightly so based on his experience and pedigree at heavyweight), I will not be surprised to see Haye make Wlad look very amateurish at times as he goes on to win. In fact don't be surprised to see a flood of post on here with titles like 'Wlad exposed' etc...

My head and heart says Haye win. Just don't know if it will be via KO/UD.

For those interested this is lifted from the Guardian website and is Barry Mcguigans take on what Haye needs to do to triumph

McGuigan's guide to how David can floor Goliath
Jab from the start

Klitschko wants the time and space to be able to take two steps back and throw a hard right and if David allows that he will be in trouble. Instead he must grab the centre of the ring from the first bell and not let go of it until the last. From there he has to lock his right hand under his chin and stick a left jab on Klitschko as often as possible. The jab is the key. Klitschko is not used to it, he doesn't like it and from there David can land his big right hand, which, against Klitschko's vulnerable chin, could prove a knockout blow

Maintain a strong defence

David likes to invite his opponents to throw punches at him before beating them to the hit. But he cannot do that against Klitschko. This guy is world-class, a heavyweight champion and someone who is far too smart to fall for that. Klitschko does not leave himself open to a counter and knows exactly how and when to seize upon any gap in an opponent's defence. So David has to keep his left hand marginally higher than he normally does and use that as the platform for his own sustained attacks

Keep on the go

Klitschko has never fought a fighter as fast as David. He has maintained his speed from his cruiserweight days and in this fight that will allow him to create surprises and potentially devastating angles from which to pounce. He has to keep moving, side to side, forward and back, in quick, sharp bursts and when the opportunity presents itself, throw a punch. It's all about being busy for David, with his feet and his hands, and if he does so, he can do real damage to a guy who is used to his opponents being at arm's length. Overall, David has to throw at least 30% more punches then he did against Nikolai Valuev, John Ruiz and Audley Harrison, and probably increase his movement by the same amount, if he is to beat Klitschko

Just run at Wlad and throw everything he's got. If he throws 400 power shots in 2 rounds the probability of him landing one that will get Wlad out of there is greatly increased.

So in summary: Wing and wing hard David.

McGuigans take seems pretty idealistic to me. Its well and good saying hold the ring and land the jab but its extraordinarily difficult to do against Wlad when you are giving away most of the advantages. Also its going to be pretty near impossible to hold the centre of the ring but continually be on the move all while trying to outjab the bst jabber in the division.

I watched McGuigan, Hatton and Watt offer their opinions on Ringside with Johnny Nelson and only really Watt seemed to have a realistic plan which was largely to stay out of range and look for openings. Hatton and McGuigan seem to be expecting miracles if they think Haye will be able to do half of what they think he should do.

manos de piedra wrote:Its well and good saying hold the ring and land the jab but its extraordinarily difficult to do against Wlad when you are giving away most of the advantages. Also its going to be pretty near impossible to hold the centre of the ring but continually be on the move all while trying to outjab the bst jabber in the division.

That's exactly how I see it, Manos, and have said so from the get go. Haye doesn't have the technique of Joe Louis, so he isn't going to be able to stay in range and slip, duck or parry the incoming fire as Louis did against Carnera or Buddy Baer. Haye's only chance - in my opinion - is to circle, draw the Wlad lead and then rush in with powerful punches. Dempsey v Willard is the blueprint. Problem is, I don't believe that Haye is Jack Dempsey and I believe that Wlad has a better defence than Jess Willard, albeit that Willard had a much better chin.

I hope I'm wrong, because I really want one of the Klitschkos deposed, but I think Wlad knocks him out any time after halfway.

compelling and rich wrote:ive not been so undecided in a fight for a long time!!

ditto

it can only go one of two ways in my eyes

ko either way, but i am struggling, each man might be cagey early because after all that has been said and done neither wants to look like an bum getting sparked insied 3 rounds

Im not a big a fan of the rush in early and try to blast Wlad out strategy really. Too many things can go wrong and you also risk being smothered in energy sapping clinches or walking onto a big punch. In any event, he can resort to just trying to jump on Wlad later on in the fight if he feels its his only way to win.

I would favour a more patient and methodical approach that sees Haye stay well out of range and looks to disrupt Wlad from finding a rythm. From there it a case of picking your moments and trying to utilese his speed to take advantage of openings/mistakes. Essentially ambush style fighting. It may not look too good to the judges but it depends on how succssful he is at avoiding Wlad.

I dont think Haye has the raw durability to fight inside Wlads range and no matter how quick and elusive he is, he will still ship punishment if he opts to try and fight in Wlads zone of control.

One of saving graces is that Wlad is not a particularly good counter puncher so I think Haye will be able to get away with risking throwing big powershot and overhand punches that would be more dangerous against an effective counterer. There hasnt been anything in Hayes heavyweight career so far that would get me optimistic about being able to win this on points but theres always the possibiliy he has another gear or level to rely on that we havent seen yet.

Hello Everyone,

This is my first post here. Like many others, I am completely excited about this fight. I think that David Haye has a good chance of winning this fight, I couldn't afford to go and see it so have therefore have splashed out on some betting to keep it exciting. I have tried to look at things analytically, but I'm sure that my heart is influencing my head. Anyway here are my bets:

30 pounds on Haye to win (6/4)
10 pounds on Haye to win in rounds 4 - 6 (8/1)
4 pounds on Klitchko to win in rounds 9 - 12 (9/1) - sorry to Haye fans if this jinxes things
3 pounds on Haye to on points (8/1 I think)

I'm wondering if Booth's supposed 'dark force' will be the difference here for Haye.

30 pounds on

You do know you could've written that as £30?! And we would've read it the same way? And it would've saved you time?!

Anyway, welcome to the website. I'm coxy and i'm not allowed to be a moderator because i'm far too sensible and restrained to deal with some of the hoodlums on here.

Welcome aboard, Twitchey.

Coxy - Thanks, for the welcome ...Unfortunately, I am typing from my desk in Belgium and I don't have 'pound sterling' sign on my keyboard.

Windmill - thanks

Baltimora - Yes, I think that Booth's 'dark arts / tactics' will be the difference here. He has his boxers work to plan, and nobody really knows that that plan is currently. When I read that Booth said Haye's tactic would be completely unexpected I thought, "surely not rope-a-dope?!". Of course I don't think that Haye can do a Ali - Foreman, but Booth has that aura of the unexpected.

Personally, I think a good tatic would be for Haye to quickly circle to his left, attack low and from a 45 degree angle, use his low left hand to work Wlad's right kidney, and then nip out of range. I realise that this would leave Haye open for a right hook from Wlad, but whilst very destructive, Wlad's hook seems relatively less accurate and lumbering compared to his jab and straight right ... therefore easier to dodge and possibly counter.

I was pretty close to ringside watching the Valuev fight and Haye was punching accurate overhand lefts to his Valuev's right ear very consistently: it was glowing red, and in the final round his balance went. A similar tactic to right parts of Wlad's body could slow him down and sap his morale in the earlier rounds?

There are obvious advantages to Wlad's reach, height, power and tactics ... but sometimes being smaller and faster is beneficial in sport.

Finally, I would like to ask everyone, IF Booth and Haye have a way to nulify the jab, will Manny Steward have a plan B for Wlad? Certainly, if my memory serves me well, he didn't seem to have a plan B for Lennox Lewis against Vitali (who in my opinion one the majority of their bout) ... it was just a case of "carry on ... ".

Hi,

new to the forum but lurked for ages both here and the old 606...

Been thinking about the strategy which Haye has been talking about that will supposedly surprise everyone and I wonder whether he might try to switch hit on saturday night and really try and confuse Wlad. He's been susceptible to left hands in the past and maybe this is what they're planning.

Is it a bit nuts to try something like this on the biggest night of his career or would this be a decent strategy?

Personally I think he could potentially pull it off as he has a fairly neutral stance rather than being a strict orthodox fighter.

Thoughts?

Welcome aboard, rob.

I know what you mean about the slightly ' neutral ' stance. Jersey Joe Walcott also often employed it. He would often stand fairly square on and, with a shuffle of his shoulders, he could alternate imperceptibly between orthodox and southpaw. Haye isn't anything like Jersey Joe, stylistically, but I do get what you're driving at. Calzaghe is another who, at times, could be quite ' neutral.' I remember the second Veit fight, when Calzaghe finished him off with what amounted to an orthodox left hook.

Will Haye try to employ this as an overt tactic ? I would doubt it, in all honesty. He has to hurt Wlad to stand any chance of winning, and this means that he has to plant his feet and transfer his weight by the quickest and most efficient means. My guess is that he'll be circling anti - clockwise, trying to move away from Wlad's jab and shooting the right hand over the top, or leaping in with the left hook.

Either way, I suspect he's going to have his hands full.

Thanks for the welcome.

I know where you're coming from but I wonder whether they might give it a round or two switching from orthodox to southpaw just to mess with Wlad and try and draw him out of his shell.

Against Audinary he moved to a very square on stance once he'd landed (eventually) and unloaded with both hands.

Agree that he has to get to Wlad as early as possible to shake him up.
I can't come close to picking the winner, need to watch the presser today and the build up show later in the week to get a look at the preparation Haye has been doing....

Exciting fight though.

Certainly is, mate, and while I'm tipping Wlad I'll be rooting for Haye.

Haye wins this for me for in a similar manner Pacquaio wiped out Hatton, speed kills, Wlad will fight absolutely terrified and he'll not plant his feet, Haye easy for me bit of a no brainer, if I'm wrong I'll quit as a rapper.

Eric Da Cat wrote:Haye wins this for me for in a similar manner Pacquaio wiped out Hatton, speed kills, Wlad will fight absolutely terrified and he'll not plant his feet, Haye easy for me bit of a no brainer, if I'm wrong I'll quit as a rapper.

Say it ain't so Eric. As someone who thinks Wlad will win having yet another reason to be disappointed should my prediction be right is too much for me to cope with.

My prediction.........PAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIN

Jeff I'll pass on my lyrics to you mate, I know you've been itching to grab the reigns for a while.

However I won't be wrong and I'll be rapping as usual cheers mate

Haye can't win like manny did because...

1. He's not a southpaw

2. Klits isn't as poor as Hatton defensively.

3. Klits is much taller..

4. Haye won't get the center of the ring....

Hope you're right Eric, and hope we can shake of Sunday's inevitable hangover with a bout of lyrical genius

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Haye can't win like manny did because...

1. He's not a southpaw

2. Klits isn't as poor as Hatton defensively.

3. Klits is much taller..

4. Haye won't get the center of the ring....

Yes he can he can wipe him out in 2 rounds, don't over complicate things big fella, you're not bright enough to catch me out.

Looking forward to a rap about the fight Eric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvQD_Inqen4

i would be p**sed off if i was Wlad at how nice steward has been about haye haha

Sunday is a church day and eric is a Minister...

You might have to wait...his congregation comes first!!

Sorry Truss, forgot that aspect of the man.

I have a sneaky feeling that Haye is going to blast out Wlad.

People seem to think Haye goes about only throwing big over hand rights, but he's got way more than just the Hayemaker!

I expect Wlad to be ultra cautious and will in no way commit in the first half of the fight, Haye will no this and I expect him to attack more than usual, knowing that the jab aside, little will be coming back in return.

Whilst neither have a good chin, I'd back Haye to recover from a crisis better than Wlad.

When hurt Wlad reminds me of Bruno, no real survival instincts and it takes an age for him to recover. If hurt against Haye its lights out and I expect Haye to land in the first 2 or 3 rounds regardless of how cautious Wlad may be.

On the other hand this is still a close fight and in the Heavies anything can happen!!!

Hi all,

Been a fan for a long time of the boxing forum.

What strikes me most about this fight is that it is a situation where the roles have been completely reversed for Wlad. I have never seen him so rattled throughout several press conferences whereas his opponent looks so calm. Does anyone think that this could possilbly carry over into the fight or will we see the usual ice cold ruthless machine once he is in the ring?

Heart says Haye but head says Wlad comfortably.

Why do you think Vlad will win comfortably..

elaborate..

My heart says Wlad but I think Haye will win by TKO

I predict... A draw!

The old saying goes, (something along the lines of) "you need a knockout in Germany just to get the draw".

My example is Lennox Lewis v Evander Holyfield for Lewis's WBC and Holyfield's IBF and WBA World Heavyweight Championships.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/03/99/lewis_vs_holyfield/296539.stm

Klitschko is the home fighter, like Holyfield was. I think Haye will win on points, at least the way I score a fight, just like I (and everyone else) did for Lewis. A draw was the controversial way to save Holyfield and his titles without completely robbing Lewis of his title, just like it would be the controversial way to save Klitschko and his titles without completely robbing Haye of his title. Coupled with some inconsistant scorecards coming from judges of bouts in Germany over the years, and I think the £5 bet I placed on the draw at 33/1 was worth the gamble...

Don't think with all the nervous energy Haye will be having..his first big heavy test in a cauldron of fire...

He'll be around to take a decsion....

more I think about it the more it's Haye early ...vlad late..

Just for you truss...

The way I see it is that Haye needs a good quick start from this fight. Both Haye and Wlad know this which is why Wlad will come out behind the jab and tying Haye up any chance he gets. He'll keep the defence solid and wear Haye down through constant pressure. A lots been said about Hayes speed but Wlads conditioning is usually phenomenal and Hayes never really had a battle at heavyweight where he was constantly pushed. I think that Haye will run out of ideas and steam in the final 4 rounds of this fight and it will be easy pickings for Wlad. I think Wlad is setting this up for a solid 12 rounds whereas Haye needs to get in and out quickly, the longer this goes on the less I'd favour Haye

Probably gonna be derided for saying this, but here goes: I really don't see why Wlad's considered so highly. The ONLY reasons he's been as successful as he has are because he's always the taller guy, and his opponents have largely been plodders. If Wlad was four-six inches shorter he'd have been beaten several more times than he already has. His habit of leaning on his opponents is frankly deplorable, and when he's tagged solidly he adopts the expression of a nun who's just seen her first todger.

I'm not predicting a result one way or another for this weekend, but I'm just a bit tired of reading how Wlad's this supposedly clinically proficient methodical boxer. He's big, and that's his saving grace.

The nun said he was big...

My 1st prediction on here and i'm going For Haye.

Speed, aggression and heart will be the difference for me. I see Haye taking it to the trenches from the 1st bell and stopping Klitschko before the 5th. When push comes to shove Klitschko hasn't got a fighters heart and wont be able shear spitefulness of Haye.

And the new...........

i think it be adraw

Fists of Fury wrote:I'm really torn, sensible prediction would be Wlad by stoppage around the 9th after softening Haye up with the jab, grabbing when ever Haye comes inside, and protecting his chin with his right glove at all times.

However, one lapse and it could be turned upside down providing Haye takes his opportunity to pull the trigger.

So, as I prepare to remove these splinters from my backside, I will say Wlad TKO9 or Haye TKO4.

Yep, gotta lean towards Haye early or Wlad late.My feeling is that if it goes beyond round 8 for Haye,the dream is over.

BALTIMORA wrote:Probably gonna be derided for saying this, but here goes: I really don't see why Wlad's considered so highly. The ONLY reasons he's been as successful as he has are because he's always the taller guy, and his opponents have largely been plodders. If Wlad was four-six inches shorter he'd have been beaten several more times than he already has. His habit of leaning on his opponents is frankly deplorable, and when he's tagged solidly he adopts the expression of a nun who's just seen her first todger.

I'm not predicting a result one way or another for this weekend, but I'm just a bit tired of reading how Wlad's this supposedly clinically proficient methodical boxer. He's big, and that's his saving grace.

Hi Bolts, I made quite a similar point here the other day.Wlad has been bigged up a lot,and it is not the fighter I recognise