15 man lineout.

Quite frankly it deserves its own topic. Simply brilliant move by Wales.

Quality stuff!

Why doesnt every team do that off every line out near the try line? Must be so hard to defend

Because it's really easy to get it wrong if not done correctly. If ANYONE joins the ruck before the ball carrier it's obstruction. If the opposition don't bind it's obstruction. If you lose the lineout you could be

Are you even allowed 15 men in a line out?

I've seen it twice in 2 days. You must be allowed!

It's the sort of tactic you would use when you have nothing to lose because the game has gone.

Yes you can. The laws say the attacking team chooses the maximum. The defender can have fewer if they want.

I don't care about the result or that it even led to a try.

Just seeing that ATTEMPTED has made my day and I am no longer in the mood that I have been in for most of the afternoon!

Genius/Hilarious. You decide?

Its an all or nothing tactic, only used once the game has been lost. Doesnt make it any less brilliant to watch though.

tigertattie wrote:Are you even allowed 15 men in a line out?

No - as that leaves no-one left to throw.

LondonTiger wrote:

tigertattie wrote:Are you even allowed 15 men in a line out?

No - as that leaves no-one left to throw.

If Wales could have used it for the Woodcock try they might have stopped him.

What is funny is that basic things cost Wales.

They could have easily stopped 2 if not all of the NZ tries if they used their heads a bit more.

Ireland did it a few years ago v Aus and I believed it worked then too.

What a wonderful tactic if you're trailing a game with only two mins to go or if like Robshaw maybe the 3 pointer is a better option?

It wasnt a 15 man lineout....one of the welsh players was behind it, and obviously the hooker wasnt in the line.

BigTrevsbigmac wrote:It's the sort of tactic you would use when you have nothing to lose because the game has gone.

No reason why it can't work at the start of the game though??? With everything to lose, or gain???

HERSH wrote:Ireland did it a few years ago v Aus and I believed it worked then too.

What a wonderful tactic if you're trailing a game with only two mins to go or if like Robshaw maybe the 3 pointer is a better option?

That's just salt in the wound when the only nation that tries this move is the one who doesn't need the points.

Makes you think it would have worked for England!

Griff wrote:

BigTrevsbigmac wrote:It's the sort of tactic you would use when you have nothing to lose because the game has gone.

No reason why it can't work at the start of the game though??? With everything to lose, or gain???

I don't believe it would be successful again at top level because it would only work once.

Not true. 15 players driving 5 metres from the line is going to have more momentum than the 15 players trying to defend

BECAUSE, what would stop some of the attacking players trying to go wide? You can't have all 15 defending players in that maul just in case.

RogerLewis wrote:

HERSH wrote:Ireland did it a few years ago v Aus and I believed it worked then too.

What a wonderful tactic if you're trailing a game with only two mins to go or if like Robshaw maybe the 3 pointer is a better option?

That's just salt in the wound when the only nation that tries this move is the one who doesn't need the points.

Makes you think it would have worked for England!

You reckon the hooker wouldve managed to throw straight?

I hope England try it out next week, but with Robshaw in charge he'll probably call it in our own 22.

What a plank.

Robshaw would opt to kick a penalty try to touch!

RogerLewis wrote:Robshaw would opt to kick a penalty try to touch!

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

RogerLewis wrote:Robshaw would opt to kick a penalty try to touch!

So would Priestland but he would kick it dead.

I have never seen it done before. but well done to Wales for not only doing the 15 man line out. But for coming away with a good try aswell.

If Priestland had still been on the 15 man driving maul would have gone dead.

Ireland tried a 13 man line out twice against the Argies in 99, it's commonly considered to be when we hit rock bottom tactically with Gatland. I never saw why, if you can garauntee winning your own ball then it seems like a viable option.

Our lineout went well today, which is ironic as that's usually the first thing to go when we're going bad. Maybe that's why we were confident of this tactic.

I like it! Want to see more please! Cue, the South Africans with some canny procedure to turn it over from us mere mortals and sprint for a try!

Is it not called the 15 man wedge?

Indications are that Wales were hoping to use it early on, surprise New Zealand and get an early try. Hence Priestland going for the corner.

And yes, pedants, technically it was a 13-man lineout as Rees and Knoyle were at hooker and scrum half. Unless Rees had been subbed. Can't remember.

But think about it: rather than play a grown up, sensible game of rugby whereby they kicked penalties they had earned, they opted instead for this giggling childish oncer of the "13 man lineout" and got so over-excited trying to execute it that they blew numerous penalty chances and finally managed to turn it up at 70-odd minutes when losing 33-0.

This was Gatlands big idea on how to beat NZ? It's an embarrassing gimmick.

By adopting this kind of fluff, Wales had waved the white flag before kick-off.

Perhaps Gatland is more responsible for the impending AI whitewash than he was given credit for. Perhaps he's taking too many painkillers for that ankle injury... either way, it's just....

Notch wrote:Indications are that Wales were hoping to use it early on, surprise New Zealand and get an early try. Hence Priestland going for the corner.

And yes, pedants, technically it was a 13-man lineout as Rees and Knoyle were at hooker and scrum half. Unless Rees had been subbed. Can't remember.

That is what Gatland suggested - which makes Preistland's stupid dead kicks more frustrating, it could have given Wales the lead as NZ clearly didn't know what was happening.

[quote="BigTrevsbigmac"]If Wales could have used it for the Woodcock try they might have stopped him. [/quote
Wasn't that a copy of his WC Final try. It just shows the ABs are all the coaches anyone needs

It was a great move by Wales to take a fifteen man lin out, it was however very risky, if they lost that line out, NZ would have gone 95 meters for a try.

But then, at least Wales showed some guts to try something with nothing to lose.