Heineken, Pool 4, Round 4: Castres Olympique v Glasgow Warriors

by Scot Abroad Wed 12 Dec 2012, 9:52 pm

First topic message reminder :

Didn't really want to make this thread after the dire performance last week but what the hell. Scheduled rest week for internationals so that should see Grant, Barclay, Pyrgos, Schlong and Hogg all rested, with Kellock out injured and Strauss away back to SA to get married.

15 Murchie
14 Maitland
13 Dunbar (if fit, if not DTH with Seymour to the wing)
12 Horne
11 DTH
10 Weir
9 Niko

8 Wilson
7 Fusaro
6 Harley
5 Ryder
4 Swinson
3 Coo
2 Hall
1 Reid

16 MacArthur
17 Ofa
18 Low
19 Campbell
20 Jedi
21 Kennedy
22 Wight
23 Seymour

by MacKnocked-on Sun 16 Dec 2012, 2:39 pm

What's with all the substitutions? Why would you take Nico off in that game? As for Jackson, you just knew he wasn't going to make that kick, awful.

by aitchw Sun 16 Dec 2012, 2:40 pm

They blew it big style. Very disappointing, should have won that, deserved to even. How did he miss that penalty? Then coughing up posession in the closing minute. Crazy. They'll be really hurting after that.

by IanBru Sun 16 Dec 2012, 2:41 pm

George Carlin wrote:Nice to have Morrison back to slow that midfield right down.

It's like he is pathologically unable to give the ball to another player.

"This is MY ball. Mine"

by Artful_Dodger Sun 16 Dec 2012, 2:41 pm

Bah Glasgow.....for feck sake...

by **George Carlin** Sun 16 Dec 2012, 2:42 pm

Referee was definitely partisan but whilst I didn't see the first half what clearly cost us was the two sin binnings - both pretty silly, to be honest.

Glasgow was the better team, but not the smarter one.

by **Notch** Sun 16 Dec 2012, 2:43 pm

Well done Glasgow- great reaction to last weeks game clap

Great effort. Well played.

by Scot Abroad Sun 16 Dec 2012, 2:46 pm

George Carlin wrote:Referee was definitely partisan but whilst I didn't see the first half what clearly cost us was the two sin binnings - both pretty silly, to be honest.

Glasgow was the better team, but not the smarter one.

Second one was a joke, nowhere near a yellow.

I would rather have had Hall taking that kick at the end, at least there might have been a chance of it going over.

by GLove39 Sun 16 Dec 2012, 3:35 pm

Grim to think that in the past few weeks, if Glasgow had a decent & reliable goal kicker they might well have done the double on Castres & sneaked past Leinster.

by 123skelm Sun 16 Dec 2012, 3:45 pm

GLove we do his names Weir if given a chance e.g. he scored a good last kick of the match for Dundee yesterday to win the match.

by **George Carlin** Sun 16 Dec 2012, 3:49 pm

Wonder if Toonie has put two and two together to realise that it's quite a good idea to start any teamsheet with a regular kicker and playmaker?

Oh, what the hey, probably not.

Maitland must be wondering what the feic he's walked into.

by justified sinner Sun 16 Dec 2012, 4:11 pm

Same problem at Embra guys. Played on Friday without a kicker and left 18 points on the tee. Hopefully both sides will pick playmakers and kickers for the 1872, looking forward to those games.

by Imperialbigdave Sun 16 Dec 2012, 4:30 pm

Problem is, neither team has a player who is both kicking his goals and on form in loose play. Wight and Hunter are probably the closest, and leonard has shown flashes of being able to do both in the limited time hes been allowed on the pitch.

by 123skelm Sun 16 Dec 2012, 5:01 pm

Some Stats on Glasgow 10's

2011-12
Jackson Started 8 sub on 6 points 79 5.6 av
Wight " 1 " 9 " 24 2.4
Weir " 20 " 3 " 256 11.1

2012-13
Jackson 7 3 24 2.4
Wight 3 4 30 4.3
Weir 3 2 18 3.4

Weir was out for 9 weeks this season and to be honest I think that has something to do with our consistency this year, as the above does demonstrate, we miss his accuracy and to be fair the team last year were performing more consistently but again this year with new manager and plays have an effect on points scored.

by VinceWLB Sun 16 Dec 2012, 5:24 pm

Missed the game, hopefully someone will put it on youtube.

As i understand it, Glasgow got robbed as there should have been a red card for stamping on the head and yellow cards were given after advice from the crowd.

This doesn't surprise me really, refereing has benn really poor in this year HEC.

by **RDW** Sun 16 Dec 2012, 6:50 pm

How was Maitland?

by IanBru Sun 16 Dec 2012, 7:03 pm

Maitland was pretty good. I wouldn't go so far as to say "Oh my God, he's our missing link - we're going to beat all and sundry from now on", but there is definitely something useful there. Ran some good lines, and he has a pretty good sidestep.

Also, he wasn't exposed in defence at all, and responded well when we made turnovers - one particular example springs to mind where Schlong (I think) won the ball in the tackle, it skittered out to Maitland who put through a lovely inch-perfect kick through and then led a brilliant chase that forced Castres to concede a lineout inside their 22. We went on to lose our own lineout, but... hey ho.

by MacKnocked-on Sun 16 Dec 2012, 7:28 pm

I agree, I thought Maitland looks more of a thinking and natural rugby player than we are generally used to in Scotland (Ansbro also looks to have this ability in my opinion). Seymour looked pretty lively also.
I thought Wilson had a strong game at no8, looks to have more power than McInally from what I've seen.
I still can't understand the crazy substitutions in today's game ,why take Nico off when he was playing so well?

by TJ1 Sun 16 Dec 2012, 8:25 pm

Why is Weir not playing?

by VinceWLB Sun 16 Dec 2012, 10:46 pm

Penalty leading to the rolling maul was a joke and it was unsportmanlike. Both yellow cards were very soft (first one the same foul happened from a castres player against Swinson, not a penalty).

That said, the decision not to replace Reid (who was cramping by the 65') by Grant probably cost Glasgow the match in the end.

by Dorothy_Mantooth Mon 17 Dec 2012, 12:46 pm

VinceWLB wrote:Penalty leading to the rolling maul was a joke and it was unsportmanlike. Both yellow cards were very soft (first one the same foul happened from a castres player against Swinson, not a penalty).

That said, the decision not to replace Reid (who was cramping by the 65') by Grant probably cost Glasgow the match in the end.

Baffling why the change was not made. Unless he had been instructed by the powers to be to only use Grant as a last resort, that can be the only excuse.

by Dorothy_Mantooth Mon 17 Dec 2012, 12:48 pm

TJ wrote:Why is Weir not playing?

Who knows! He played the full game for Dundee at the weekend in the British & Irish cup. To rub salt into the wounds he successfully kicking the winning points in the last minute to win the game for his team, bet Dundee are glad they had him and not Jackson.

by **RDW** Mon 17 Dec 2012, 12:58 pm

Would it be fair to say if Weir was playing instead of Jackson Glasgow would have won that game?

Where was the kick that hit the posts at the end taken from? And why didn't Horne take it? Was he subbed off for Morrison??

by funnyExiledScot Mon 17 Dec 2012, 1:04 pm

IanBru wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Nice to have Morrison back to slow that midfield right down.
It's like he is pathologically unable to give the ball to another player.

"This is MY ball. Mine"

I'm not going to be popular here, but I thought Morrison made a decent impact carrying the ball, and gave Glasgow some useful go forward.

I watched it on TV and I must say I was left frustrated, but equally proud of the Glasgow effort. Tricky fixture, and they came as close as you can to sneaking an impressive win in France.

Matawalu was sensational, as was Swinson and Wilson in the pack. Also as well as I've seen Barclay play for a while, real shame his hamstring went (although massive credit for still getting over the line).

This may not be saying much, but that was comfortably the best Scottish performance in the HC this season, and on the basis of the weekend, Glasgow will win the 1872 handsomely. Their resistence against that huge Castres pack was something Edinburgh can't seem to muster. Even the likes of Low and Reid, troubled in the scrum, managed to bring some power to bear in the loose.

Proud of the effort, and a cracking spectacle.

by funnyExiledScot Mon 17 Dec 2012, 1:06 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Would it be fair to say if Weir was playing instead of Jackson Glasgow would have won that game?

Where was the kick that hit the posts at the end taken from? And why didn't Horne take it? Was he subbed off for Morrison??

Yes, he was subbed off. The kick was slightly to the right of the post, and 5/10 metres outside the 22 from memory. Jackson took it and had the distance, but it strike the right hand post. Very close, and a massive pressure kick. I've seen Horne kick pretty poorly at times this season. No guarantees he'd have got that.

As above, I also thought Morrison was pretty good when he came on. Think I may be in a minority of one though.....

by Scot Abroad Mon 17 Dec 2012, 2:21 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
IanBru wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Nice to have Morrison back to slow that midfield right down.
It's like he is pathologically unable to give the ball to another player.

"This is MY ball. Mine"

I'm not going to be popular here, but I thought Morrison made a decent impact carrying the ball, and gave Glasgow some useful go forward.

I watched it on TV and I must say I was left frustrated, but equally proud of the Glasgow effort. Tricky fixture, and they came as close as you can to sneaking an impressive win in France.

Matawalu was sensational, as was Swinson and Wilson in the pack. Also as well as I've seen Barclay play for a while, real shame his hamstring went (although massive credit for still getting over the line).

This may not be saying much, but that was comfortably the best Scottish performance in the HC this season, and on the basis of the weekend, Glasgow will win the 1872 handsomely. Their resistence against that huge Castres pack was something Edinburgh can't seem to muster. Even the likes of Low and Reid, troubled in the scrum, managed to bring some power to bear in the loose.

Proud of the effort, and a cracking spectacle.

I was actually shocked when I saw Morrison beat 2 men, I didn't se their numbers at the time but I presume they were props. Kidding aside he did take the ball into contact and made some good yards. Once again though he missed a few golden chances to shift the ball wide for a 2 on 1 which would have relieved the pressure and put us up the field.

Matawalu was outstanding. I don't know how Toonie can play Pyrgos this week after that performance. I was really impressed by Wilson as well, he put in some big hits and ran a beautiful line to set up Barclay for the try, who did very well to score after pulling his hamstring.

I'm starting to feel sorry for Jackson. When the coach has no confidence in you how can you have confidence in yourself. It's inevitable that he'll have to take some kicks. He should be given both remaining HC games and kicking duties for them.

by Imperialbigdave Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:20 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:As above, I also thought Morrison was pretty good when he came on. Think I may be in a minority of one though.....

I think youve just agreed with your own post?

by **RDW** Mon 17 Dec 2012, 3:22 pm

Imperialbigdave wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:As above, I also thought Morrison was pretty good when he came on. Think I may be in a minority of one though.....

I think youve just agreed with your own post?

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Mon 17 Dec 2012, 4:56 pm

Who was that throbber of a referee (sic) ?

by **George Carlin** Mon 17 Dec 2012, 8:14 pm

Imperialbigdave wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:As above, I also thought Morrison was pretty good when he came on. Think I may be in a minority of one though.....

I think youve just agreed with your own post?

So, still a minority of one.

by IanBru Mon 17 Dec 2012, 8:59 pm

I think it was Gandhi who said "Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth."

Then again, Gandhi never played at 12.

by jimbopip Mon 17 Dec 2012, 9:12 pm

No but I know a few 10's whose tackling clearly followed his principles.

by justified sinner Mon 17 Dec 2012, 9:14 pm

jimbopip wrote:No but I know a few 10's whose tackling clearly followed his principles.

Dan P and ?

by funnyExiledScot Tue 18 Dec 2012, 1:08 pm

George Carlin wrote:
Imperialbigdave wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:As above, I also thought Morrison was pretty good when he came on. Think I may be in a minority of one though.....

I think youve just agreed with your own post?

So, still a minority of one.

I'm sorry, but I read this magnificent, lucid and insightful post and I couldn't help but agree with it. I should have known in hindsight that it was my own work Wink

by **George Carlin** Tue 18 Dec 2012, 1:16 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
Imperialbigdave wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:As above, I also thought Morrison was pretty good when he came on. Think I may be in a minority of one though.....

I think youve just agreed with your own post?

So, still a minority of one.

I'm sorry, but I read this magnificent, lucid and insightful post and I couldn't help but agree with it. I should have known in hindsight that it was my own work

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