Mixed modern LWW super six !

To try and deviate from the capability of a certain pugilist's jaw, how would you see this going as a light welter super six. Haz did one last month and I thought I'd expand on the LWW format.

The 1st fights 4th in the semis, and the draw would be.

Round 1
Hector Camacho vs Amir Khan
Arturo Gatti vs Ricky Hatton
Frankie Randall vs Tim Bradley

Round 2
Frankie Randall vs Hector Camacho
Amir Khan vs Arturo Gatti
Ricky Hatton vs Tim Bradley

Round 3
Arturo Gatti vs Hector Camacho
Tim Bradley vs Amir Khan
Ricky Hatton vs Frankie Randall


Cheers Rodders

Round 1.
Camacho
Hatton
Bradley

2
Camacho
Khan
Bradley

3
Camacho
Khan
Hatton

Only disagreement I have with Az's assessment is that Bradley beats Khan, but it is not a sure thing

Great article, Rodders. Can I also say, Az - you underrate Randall shockingly!

I'm not particularly convinced by the Light-Welter version of Camacho in comparison to his younger, lighter self. He packed on some serious muscle and seemed so much slower, as well as a hell of a lot squatter and less mobile. Far more negative as well on top of all that. I think Khan might just outwork him and force him on to the backfoot too much, with Hector not able to find that money punch to turn the tide, ala Maidana (well, nearly turned the tide anyway!) or Garcia. Hatton is tough enough to survive the Gatti onslaught and, as he does everything Gatti did but did them that little bit better, gets him out of there in the championship rounds. Randall too sharp an all-rounder for the solid but slightly one-dimensional Bradley and takes a decision.

Round 2, and Randall makes his timing count more than Camacho's speed; narrow points win for 'The Surgeon.' Khan overcomes some horror moments to get a split decision over Gatti in a grueller, while Hatton's aggression just about overcomes the more precise work of Bradley to claim a disputed verdict.

Round 3: Gatti's had much of the wind taken out of his sails by his two wars before this stage and Camacho picks him off, slowly dismantles him and gets him out of there any time after the mid rounds. Bradley outhustles Khan and walks him down to win a controversial decision, while Randall has a bit of a field day with Hatton, who is tailor-made for him, I think - Randall by comfortable decision.

In the semis, Randall does exactly the same to Bradley as he did in the group stage, while Hatto, after being outboxed for periods early doors, gradually wears Khan down and nicks a late, dramatic stoppage thanks to his superior stamina, solid chin and relentless body attack inside.

So, it's a Randall-Hatton final and, once again, I can only see it going one way. Randall was a great all-rounder, a sharp counter-puncher who also had genuine power. I thought he beat Chavez by a mile first time out (it was disgraceful that Chavez was so close on the cards that, had he not had that final point deducted, he'd have held on to his title via a draw, which would have been an insult to anyone's intelligence) and he was dreadfully unclucky in the rematch, too. If Chavez can't get to him on a regular basis or figure him out then I don't see how Hatton can, either.

Randall rubber-stamps his superiority over Hatton with another solid win and takes home the Super Six trophy for the Light-Welters.

I have to agree with you chris, that the others have completely written off Randall is beyond me. I watched the 1st Chavez fight but not the 2nd. Bradley a hard one for me, he's never really impressed me that much but seems to do most things ok & is hard to beat. Hatton does well I think because he's probably naturally bigger than most here. Love to see him against Gatti though prob be the best fight of the lot.

I wrote Randall off more from ignorance of the boxer than anytthing, plus I rate the Macho Man pretty high. Thanks for the education

I fancy Frankie Randall to beat Hatton...Very underestimated was Frankie...took Rosario and Chavez best....

Camacho is the best of the crop......Then Randall and then Bradley.....Khan places 4th..

Hatton does well I think because he's probably naturally bigger than most here. Love to see him against Gatti though prob be the best fight of the lot.

They'd need guide dogs and waders after about five rounds what with their eyes being swollen shut and blood p!ssing everywhere.

I just think Randall had a great night against a poor chavez. It could also be that he was the junior jones to barrera. Simply had his number.

azania wrote:I just think Randall had a great night against a poor chavez. It could also be that he was the junior jones to barrera. Simply had his number.

Going with that logic he'd quite likely have both Gatti's & Hattons numbers & very good chance of Bradleys.

Maybe so. But his achievement is beating JCC. No mean feat mind, but he didn't do much after.

azania wrote:Maybe so. But his achievement is beating JCC. No mean feat mind, but he didn't do much after.

True & carried on a touch to long and lost quite a lot.

Well in fairness Az, he was already well in to his thirties, a recovering drug addict and had lost some of his peak years in jail by the time he got round to beating Chavez, so I think we can cut him some slack on that one!

Remember that Coggi was no joke and Randall got the better of him, too. I don't think Chavez was poor against Frankie at all; Randall was just good enough, confident enough and had the right style to beat him. Taylor and Whitaker had already shown that quick counter-punchers who knew how to use the ring space could give Chavez a torrid time.

88Chris05 wrote:Well in fairness Az, he was already well in to his thirties, a recovering drug addict and had lost some of his peak years in jail by the time he got round to beating Chavez, so I think we can cut him some slack on that one!

Remember that Coggi was no joke and Randall got the better of him, too. I don't think Chavez was poor against Frankie at all; Randall was just good enough, confident enough and had the right style to beat him. Taylor and Whitaker had already shown that quick counter-punchers who knew how to use the ring space could give Chavez a torrid time.

I'd forgotten a lot of those details, makes it an even better win.

88Chris05 wrote:Well in fairness Az, he was already well in to his thirties, a recovering drug addict and had lost some of his peak years in jail by the time he got round to beating Chavez, so I think we can cut him some slack on that one!

Remember that Coggi was no joke and Randall got the better of him, too. I don't think Chavez was poor against Frankie at all; Randall was just good enough, confident enough and had the right style to beat him. Taylor and Whitaker had already shown that quick counter-punchers who knew how to use the ring space could give Chavez a torrid time.

That's all well and good Chris but it's his achievements in the boxing ring that matters. Very talented boxer who wasted it.

I agree, Az, and that's my point - in doing a number on Chavez, he hit a soaring high that none of these other fighters can match, particularly at 140 lb.

Camacho was a great, great talent - the best talent of this bunch of six, probably. But he wasn't really that convincing north of Lightweight; got an absolute gift against Mancini, struggled more than he should have done against Haugen and managed to turn what should have been a mega fight, pound for pound showdown against Chavez in to a non event.

Gatti was just Gatti and it'd take a huge leap of faith to predict that he's coming any higher than dead last out of this group, and as for the three plucked from today's crop (Hatton, Khan, Bradley), well they're all good fighters but as we've seen, none of them are quite good enough for the very top, you'd think, and all of them are very much beatable.

Genuinely think that Randall is the pick of this Light-Welter bunch.

88Chris05 wrote:I agree, Az, and that's my point - in doing a number on Chavez, he hit a soaring high that none of these other fighters can match, particularly at 140 lb.

Camacho was a great, great talent - the best talent of this bunch of six, probably. But he wasn't really that convincing north of Lightweight; got an absolute gift against Mancini, struggled more than he should have done against Haugen and managed to turn what should have been a mega fight, pound for pound showdown against Chavez in to a non event.

Gatti was just Gatti and it'd take a huge leap of faith to predict that he's coming any higher than dead last out of this group, and as for the three plucked from today's crop (Hatton, Khan, Bradley), well they're all good fighters but as we've seen, none of them are quite good enough for the very top, you'd think, and all of them are very much beatable.

Genuinely think that Randall is the pick of this Light-Welter bunch.

Look at Randall and take a look at Poison Jones and Buster Douglas. They both hit heights which few boxers dreamed of reaching. Douglas will be remembered for years to come. But Randall and Poison are largely forgotten because their careers never matched their talents. There are several bpxers in history who that also applies to.

This is a head to head not a ranking.

You don't say Ghosty. One swallow and all that. He beat JCC and did zip else.

Did zip else, all my eye. You need to know a bit about a fighter before sounding off about him, Az - Magri one week, Randall the next and nothing to choose between your ignorance of either.

Randall has wins over Pendleton, Coggi and Rosario to set beside his Chavez victory, and is a three time champ at 140. He could have done more, as he is the first to acknowledge, but the fact that you don't know a lot about him shouldn't debar you from remedying your deficiency.

Then, by all means, call it as you see it.

I am not going to knock Randall. Great talent, but imo wasted talent for the reasons Chris gave. His peak was JCC who I believe he had his number. On previous form, he was too hot and cold hence me backing Hatton over him. Talent wise there is no comparison. But in their respective application, there's a gulf of difference.

If you can beat Chavez you wipe the floor with Hatton.

If Douglas can beat Tyson, he can beat McCall also. It doesn't always work that way though does it? How far did Jnr Jones go after beating MAB?

Styles Az.

Yep. Randall was up. Very much so. All too often he went on a downer. On talent alone he kills Hatton everytime and twice on sunday before breakfast.

Is no one picking Gatti to pancake Khan? I can't see Khan winning that one despite having the tools to do it, he'd get carried away after 2 or 3 rounds of using Gatti's face as target practice before getting leveled by a left hook and more often than not Gatti would finish him.

bellchees wrote:Is no one picking Gatti to pancake Khan? I can't see Khan winning that one despite having the tools to do it, he'd get carried away after 2 or 3 rounds of using Gatti's face as target practice before getting leveled by a left hook and more often than not Gatti would finish him.

- gatti was a tough bum, the guy was great to watch and may he rest in peace, but he won get into top 6 today at 140

1
Camacho
Hatton
Bradley

2
Camacho
Khan
hatton

3
Camacho
Khan - 50/50, bradley might beat him, but i think khan has the style and bradley lacks the power
Hatton

bradley vs hatton would have been a great fight.