PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
+21
ralphjohn69
EmmDee57
John Cregan
NedB-H
McLaren
boyhyde
beninho
Skydriver
mystiroakey
puligny
GPB
Sheldo25
robopz
Shotrock
princedracula
incontinentia
sirbenson
twoeightnine
Roller_Coaster
pedro
kwinigolfer
25 posters
The v2 Forum :: Sport :: Golf
Page 2 of 4
Page 2 of 4 • 1, 2, 3, 4
PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
First topic message reminder :
1).Next year's "Shell Houston Open" will revert to its traditional date the week before The Masters, but it won't be much more exciting than the tournament we enjoyed last weekend. Lots of appetising ingredients with Phil, Rory, Louis and Lee but in the end we could only admire an out-of-the-blue return to Victory Lane by Darren Andrew Points who scored his first Top 60 result of the season, his first Top 15 result since losing, along with Rory McIlroy, in the Quail Hollow play-off last May to Rickie Fowler.
2).Joint runner up was Billy Horschel, extending his string of consecutive cuts made to a Tour-leading 20, one ahead of Poulter.
Horschel's a cocky sod and temperamental as well, when things start going haywire, they don't stop. But this result wraps up his card for the year and I'd expect him to free-wheel to some more good results. In fact, I'd have him in any short-list of non-winners most likely to break through, along with 7th place Kevin Chappell and Cameron Tringale, who slipped away to 16th. There are plenty of hot-shots coming through but these three will win.
3).Also joint runner-up was the always enigmatic Henrik Stenson who booked his ticket to Augusta with four birdies in his final five holes. And: Catch a load of his seasonal stat's:
Driving Accuracy: 1st
Total Driving: 1st
Greens in Regulation: 1st
Ball Striking: 1st
Scrambling: 1st.
And we know he can hit it as far as he wants to, so his 57th place in Driving Distance (290.5 yds) presumably hides a few 3-woods or less off the tee.
An in-form Stenson can beat anyone, yes, anyone, and he's surely earned a spot on short-lists for The Masters.
4).Highest finisher from Team GB&I? Brian Davis of course! He'd disappeared since a T4 in Hartford last year, so that adds up to 20 tournaments played with one Top 25 (15th in Canada) and 14 missed cuts. But Davis is a creature of habit and here are two ways of showing it:
Seasonal:
Money winnings Jan/Feb: 9%
March - June: 62%
July - December: 29%
And geographically:
There are only four events in Texas every year, yet 27% of his career earnings have been split between Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth and San Antonio. 14% in Florida is his next best haul by State. 'Course, he also likes Pete Dye courses but that's for another Note.
5).The golf world was following princedracula this weekend, anxious for him to reveal all the permutations involved in determining owgr Top 50 positions and a ticket to Augusta. In the event Freddie Jacobson, Richard Sterne and Henrik Stenson secured their invitations via the Top 50 while Points joins them as a Tour winner. Lots of disappointment for near misses especially Marcel Siem who was bumped out by Henley, already in the field. All European Golf fans would be thrilled to see Marcel win in San Antonio this week to take his place after all.
Europeans playing The Masters for the first time are:
Alan Dunbar (Amateur Champion)
Colsaerts, Donaldson, Lynn and Olesen.
6).Is the criteria for Masters qualification fair? And, is it worthy of being a Major??
One thing you can say for certain is that all the golfers in the world knew the various qualifying routes from the word go and that Billy Payne would devalue all those criteria by inviting Ryo Ishikawa even after he has relentlessly manifested the fact he is unworthy of a free pass.
Personally, I'd say that inviting back most Past Champions and last year's Top 16, and offering entry to certain Amateur Champions is just fine.
7).For those who suggest the PGA Tour is unfairly favouritised I'd counter by saying that many golfers from other nations compiled owgr points in "subsidised" events.
But one criteria is just bloody daft: Leaders in all the Majors:
Masters: Top 16 (I think Kevin Na is the only one to qualify solely under this rule, and he might not be fit to play).
US Open: Top 8
Open Championship: Top 4
PGA Championship: Top 4
What makes The Open Championship (or the PGA Championship for that matter) inferior to the US Open which, by comparison, has such a weak field?
8).So: If we agree the Top 8 exemption should be applied at least as much to The Open and PGA we can offer commiserations to:
The Open: Thomas Aiken (T7)
PGA Championship: Blake Adams (who is injured, out at least until the autumn).
See, Billy, that wouldn't have hurt, would it now? Couldn't you bring yourself to be seen to be a bit more fair?
9).The American media is having great fun at the American winning streak on Tour, as if it's somehow symptomatic of US dominance. Probably more symptomatic of the decline of just a few International Golfers who have not yet been replaced and the fact that, typically, the Europeans seldom win on the "West Coast" or "Florida" swings.
In approx 185 such tournaments since Jan 2000, the breakdown has been:
USA winners: 127: (Incl 11 WGC's, 5 won by Woods).
International: 43 (4 WGC's): 7 for Els, 6 for Ogilvy, 5 for Singh, 3 each for Appleby and Weir.
Europe: 15 (5 WGC's): 3 for Donald, 2 for Parnevik, no-one else more than 1 each.
Just saying.
10)."The Valero Texas Open" has one of the most generous sponsors and generates among the largest charitable donations of the PGA Tour. But it's been on Finchem's back burner especially after leaving Tillinghast's revered Oak Hills Country Club (home of the fore-runner to the Tour Championship which was won by T.Watson).
Since leaving Oak Hills (now a Champions Tour stop), the quality of the fields has gone down with the quality of the Golf Courses, the last stop before TPC San Antonio being a dump that was overlooked by a roller-coaster.
Apparently Greg Norman's lay-out has had some rough edges smoothed out, some greens made less severe, and some chipping areas moderated so there's some hope that this represents window-shopping for Tour pros who wouldn't otherwise bother to play here.
Whatever happens it will have a later date next year, probably the last week in April.
Who will win? No idea, but the aforesaid trio of Chappell, Horschel and Tringale must have a shout. Freddie Jac has played well here, it's a home date for Jimmy Walker and Brendan Steele followed up his 2011 win with a T4 last year.
And fingers crossed for Marcel Siem.
1).Next year's "Shell Houston Open" will revert to its traditional date the week before The Masters, but it won't be much more exciting than the tournament we enjoyed last weekend. Lots of appetising ingredients with Phil, Rory, Louis and Lee but in the end we could only admire an out-of-the-blue return to Victory Lane by Darren Andrew Points who scored his first Top 60 result of the season, his first Top 15 result since losing, along with Rory McIlroy, in the Quail Hollow play-off last May to Rickie Fowler.
2).Joint runner up was Billy Horschel, extending his string of consecutive cuts made to a Tour-leading 20, one ahead of Poulter.
Horschel's a cocky sod and temperamental as well, when things start going haywire, they don't stop. But this result wraps up his card for the year and I'd expect him to free-wheel to some more good results. In fact, I'd have him in any short-list of non-winners most likely to break through, along with 7th place Kevin Chappell and Cameron Tringale, who slipped away to 16th. There are plenty of hot-shots coming through but these three will win.
3).Also joint runner-up was the always enigmatic Henrik Stenson who booked his ticket to Augusta with four birdies in his final five holes. And: Catch a load of his seasonal stat's:
Driving Accuracy: 1st
Total Driving: 1st
Greens in Regulation: 1st
Ball Striking: 1st
Scrambling: 1st.
And we know he can hit it as far as he wants to, so his 57th place in Driving Distance (290.5 yds) presumably hides a few 3-woods or less off the tee.
An in-form Stenson can beat anyone, yes, anyone, and he's surely earned a spot on short-lists for The Masters.
4).Highest finisher from Team GB&I? Brian Davis of course! He'd disappeared since a T4 in Hartford last year, so that adds up to 20 tournaments played with one Top 25 (15th in Canada) and 14 missed cuts. But Davis is a creature of habit and here are two ways of showing it:
Seasonal:
Money winnings Jan/Feb: 9%
March - June: 62%
July - December: 29%
And geographically:
There are only four events in Texas every year, yet 27% of his career earnings have been split between Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth and San Antonio. 14% in Florida is his next best haul by State. 'Course, he also likes Pete Dye courses but that's for another Note.
5).The golf world was following princedracula this weekend, anxious for him to reveal all the permutations involved in determining owgr Top 50 positions and a ticket to Augusta. In the event Freddie Jacobson, Richard Sterne and Henrik Stenson secured their invitations via the Top 50 while Points joins them as a Tour winner. Lots of disappointment for near misses especially Marcel Siem who was bumped out by Henley, already in the field. All European Golf fans would be thrilled to see Marcel win in San Antonio this week to take his place after all.
Europeans playing The Masters for the first time are:
Alan Dunbar (Amateur Champion)
Colsaerts, Donaldson, Lynn and Olesen.
6).Is the criteria for Masters qualification fair? And, is it worthy of being a Major??
One thing you can say for certain is that all the golfers in the world knew the various qualifying routes from the word go and that Billy Payne would devalue all those criteria by inviting Ryo Ishikawa even after he has relentlessly manifested the fact he is unworthy of a free pass.
Personally, I'd say that inviting back most Past Champions and last year's Top 16, and offering entry to certain Amateur Champions is just fine.
7).For those who suggest the PGA Tour is unfairly favouritised I'd counter by saying that many golfers from other nations compiled owgr points in "subsidised" events.
But one criteria is just bloody daft: Leaders in all the Majors:
Masters: Top 16 (I think Kevin Na is the only one to qualify solely under this rule, and he might not be fit to play).
US Open: Top 8
Open Championship: Top 4
PGA Championship: Top 4
What makes The Open Championship (or the PGA Championship for that matter) inferior to the US Open which, by comparison, has such a weak field?
8).So: If we agree the Top 8 exemption should be applied at least as much to The Open and PGA we can offer commiserations to:
The Open: Thomas Aiken (T7)
PGA Championship: Blake Adams (who is injured, out at least until the autumn).
See, Billy, that wouldn't have hurt, would it now? Couldn't you bring yourself to be seen to be a bit more fair?
9).The American media is having great fun at the American winning streak on Tour, as if it's somehow symptomatic of US dominance. Probably more symptomatic of the decline of just a few International Golfers who have not yet been replaced and the fact that, typically, the Europeans seldom win on the "West Coast" or "Florida" swings.
In approx 185 such tournaments since Jan 2000, the breakdown has been:
USA winners: 127: (Incl 11 WGC's, 5 won by Woods).
International: 43 (4 WGC's): 7 for Els, 6 for Ogilvy, 5 for Singh, 3 each for Appleby and Weir.
Europe: 15 (5 WGC's): 3 for Donald, 2 for Parnevik, no-one else more than 1 each.
Just saying.
10)."The Valero Texas Open" has one of the most generous sponsors and generates among the largest charitable donations of the PGA Tour. But it's been on Finchem's back burner especially after leaving Tillinghast's revered Oak Hills Country Club (home of the fore-runner to the Tour Championship which was won by T.Watson).
Since leaving Oak Hills (now a Champions Tour stop), the quality of the fields has gone down with the quality of the Golf Courses, the last stop before TPC San Antonio being a dump that was overlooked by a roller-coaster.
Apparently Greg Norman's lay-out has had some rough edges smoothed out, some greens made less severe, and some chipping areas moderated so there's some hope that this represents window-shopping for Tour pros who wouldn't otherwise bother to play here.
Whatever happens it will have a later date next year, probably the last week in April.
Who will win? No idea, but the aforesaid trio of Chappell, Horschel and Tringale must have a shout. Freddie Jac has played well here, it's a home date for Jimmy Walker and Brendan Steele followed up his 2011 win with a T4 last year.
And fingers crossed for Marcel Siem.
Last edited by Nay Bother on Tue 09 Apr 2013, 7:33 pm; edited 4 times in total (Reason for editing : Edit: Got my "Open" comparisons the wrong way round . . . .)
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Swedish readers may be pleased to know that Richard S.Johnson (he of the always amusing Twitter account) has taken an early one-shot lead in the Brazil web.commer . . . . .
Perhaps Messrs Lingmerth (77) and Groanberg (82) in San Antonio might have been better off joining Richard . . . . ? Mean? Just a little bit.
Perhaps Messrs Lingmerth (77) and Groanberg (82) in San Antonio might have been better off joining Richard . . . . ? Mean? Just a little bit.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
a green should not have a big chuff off bunker in the middle. it's a gimmick and I am not keen.
beninho- Posts : 6854
Join date : 2011-01-28
Location : NW London
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Nice round Padraig "Slow as Hair Grow"-ington.
GPB- Posts : 7283
Join date : 2012-02-10
Location : Midwest, USA
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Aah, the mail's arrived.
Sports Illustrated and SI GOLF+
Pleased to see them and Nike must be thrilled. Guess who's on the cover of each . . . . . . ?
SI GOLF+ is great, says he, cover story included - in the spirit of super_realist's recent epiphany.
Surprise at the top of the leaderboard seeing Matt Bettencourt sitting at the head of affairs. A very streaky player but possibly the fastest golfer on Tour and his wife is a leading force in "Tour Wives" and their charitable initiatives, so Bettencourt gets lots of slack here!
Sports Illustrated and SI GOLF+
Pleased to see them and Nike must be thrilled. Guess who's on the cover of each . . . . . . ?
SI GOLF+ is great, says he, cover story included - in the spirit of super_realist's recent epiphany.
Surprise at the top of the leaderboard seeing Matt Bettencourt sitting at the head of affairs. A very streaky player but possibly the fastest golfer on Tour and his wife is a leading force in "Tour Wives" and their charitable initiatives, so Bettencourt gets lots of slack here!
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
The Pros and Cons of . . . . . . Eagles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you remember Dick Tracy
Do you remember Shane?
Lowry of course, and a 6 ft putt eagle on San Antonio's 2nd brings him up to 5th place, seven holes to play.
Do you remember Dick Tracy
Do you remember Shane?
Lowry of course, and a 6 ft putt eagle on San Antonio's 2nd brings him up to 5th place, seven holes to play.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Poults and davies doing ok..
Rors seems to have had an up and down day. he just seems so inconsistant at the mo
Rors seems to have had an up and down day. he just seems so inconsistant at the mo
mystiroakey- Posts : 32472
Join date : 2011-03-06
Age : 47
Location : surrey
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
It's going to be a bit parky for the early starters this morning in San Antonio - David Lynn, Poults etc.. Sure there'll be obligatory moaning if it's 40F when the first drives are launched.
Temps warming later in the day to the mid-70's for Rory and St.Padraig.
Might be a bit of a breeze but nothing too inconvenient.
Temps warming later in the day to the mid-70's for Rory and St.Padraig.
Might be a bit of a breeze but nothing too inconvenient.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
The non-American interest for me in this tournament is all about Ireland. Can Rory get some momentum going into Augusta? Will Paddy stay at or near the top heading into Saturday? Looking at the scores, this is was no easy track yesterday.
Spring finally sprung here in Philadelphia ... opening event this weekend.
Spring finally sprung here in Philadelphia ... opening event this weekend.
Shotrock- Posts : 3924
Join date : 2011-05-10
Location : Philadelphia
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
"Live scoring is currently unavailable at this time." says the pgatour.com website. Hopefully will be "currently available later"...
40F is no problem for Shane, plenty of layers at his disposal, hope he has another good round today...
Bettencourt up to -6 already...
40F is no problem for Shane, plenty of layers at his disposal, hope he has another good round today...
Bettencourt up to -6 already...
princedracula- Posts : 3258
Join date : 2011-06-26
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
pd,
I noticed that - don't think pgatour.com would pass the "Just A Minute" test. (Not the only ones mind.)
Reckon the cut will be at least up to +2 , possibly even higher as one senses this is the sort of course where course management goes haywire in a hurry.
Hadn't previously noticed that Goosen had a decent round yesterday and he's off to a promising start this a.m. also.
I noticed that - don't think pgatour.com would pass the "Just A Minute" test. (Not the only ones mind.)
Reckon the cut will be at least up to +2 , possibly even higher as one senses this is the sort of course where course management goes haywire in a hurry.
Hadn't previously noticed that Goosen had a decent round yesterday and he's off to a promising start this a.m. also.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
David Lynn up to 6th place, doing much better on the PGA Tour than I expected he would.
Lots about Harris English shooting a course record (30) on the back nine yesterday - what a difference a day makes as he took a NINE on the 12th hole today.
Five hour rounds in prospect again today - now we know why this course is such good practice for The Masters. Absolutely pathetic from the PGA Tour, no will to deal with slow play whatsoever.
The geniuses at the USGA have announced a project to review pace of play - the fact that it's going to take them a year to address the (to quote gaelgowler) bleedin' obvious tells you all you need to know about the anchors at the USGA.
Lots about Harris English shooting a course record (30) on the back nine yesterday - what a difference a day makes as he took a NINE on the 12th hole today.
Five hour rounds in prospect again today - now we know why this course is such good practice for The Masters. Absolutely pathetic from the PGA Tour, no will to deal with slow play whatsoever.
The geniuses at the USGA have announced a project to review pace of play - the fact that it's going to take them a year to address the (to quote gaelgowler) bleedin' obvious tells you all you need to know about the anchors at the USGA.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Argg i have been following harris for a bit. I think he will be a top yank soon enough!!
He looks to have it all! Just maybe stuck in a Rose rut. Needs to get more used to the tour!
good to see lynn doing well. Good european tour player, got to see him move up
He looks to have it all! Just maybe stuck in a Rose rut. Needs to get more used to the tour!
good to see lynn doing well. Good european tour player, got to see him move up
mystiroakey- Posts : 32472
Join date : 2011-03-06
Age : 47
Location : surrey
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Kwini - my take on David Lynn is that he will probably do well on courses where lots of birdies isn't the required currency - clearly played well at Kiawah and think I heard last night that this course was the toughest (or close to) outside of the majors last year.
Might be off beam but wouldn't think he would contend in events where 20ish under par might be needed to win.
Not sure what other courses might fit my theory for him to do well but hoping you might be able to help there...
Might be off beam but wouldn't think he would contend in events where 20ish under par might be needed to win.
Not sure what other courses might fit my theory for him to do well but hoping you might be able to help there...
boyhyde- Posts : 88
Join date : 2011-01-31
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Hi misterhyde,
That's pretty much what Sheldo said yesterday and sympathetic to how some of us were critiqueing schedules, especially for Lynn and Fisher, earlier in the year.
There are some courses coming up that might suit the Europeans, Hilton Head (so long as guys can resist temptation to use driver on every hole), Quail Hollow, Memphis, and I'd say that Muirfield Village is a very fair course which will suit all types of golfer. Perhaps Congressional will suit also.
I see Donaldson came a mega-cropper on #8 after getting off to a three under start.
Overall, scores look better today, so perhaps conditions are better or pin-placements easier. As for pace of play, the Bettencourt, Lynn, Wi threesome appears to be two holes ahead of anyone else on course - I said yesterday that Bettencourt is a racehorse out there . . . . . makes perfect sense for him to open the batting.
That's pretty much what Sheldo said yesterday and sympathetic to how some of us were critiqueing schedules, especially for Lynn and Fisher, earlier in the year.
There are some courses coming up that might suit the Europeans, Hilton Head (so long as guys can resist temptation to use driver on every hole), Quail Hollow, Memphis, and I'd say that Muirfield Village is a very fair course which will suit all types of golfer. Perhaps Congressional will suit also.
I see Donaldson came a mega-cropper on #8 after getting off to a three under start.
Overall, scores look better today, so perhaps conditions are better or pin-placements easier. As for pace of play, the Bettencourt, Lynn, Wi threesome appears to be two holes ahead of anyone else on course - I said yesterday that Bettencourt is a racehorse out there . . . . . makes perfect sense for him to open the batting.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Talking of horses for tough courses (or USOpen 'types'), you can add the Goose to the list. It's been a while since I've seen him at the top of the leaderboard...
Go Shane!!!
Go Shane!!!
princedracula- Posts : 3258
Join date : 2011-06-26
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Looks like Ian will see the weekend, but not the winner's circle.
Ireland carrying Europe's load thus far. Just wait until Rory starts his assault.
And does Charlie Hoffman own a mirror? If so, wonder if he uses it?
Ireland carrying Europe's load thus far. Just wait until Rory starts his assault.
And does Charlie Hoffman own a mirror? If so, wonder if he uses it?
Shotrock- Posts : 3924
Join date : 2011-05-10
Location : Philadelphia
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
I sense you're giving up on Brian Davis then . . . . .
Fortunately England has a two-shot lead at the Nabisco.
Sr,
My lad was at the Stadium last night for the MLB record 69th Pettitte/Mariano win - Enter Sandman (and don't go away!)
Fortunately England has a two-shot lead at the Nabisco.
Sr,
My lad was at the Stadium last night for the MLB record 69th Pettitte/Mariano win - Enter Sandman (and don't go away!)
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Absolutely NO BETTER music intro than that. I envy your son.
When you see SO many pitchers lose it (Lidge for Philly, Lincicum, Zito,) you can't help but be continually marveled at his output.
When you see SO many pitchers lose it (Lidge for Philly, Lincicum, Zito,) you can't help but be continually marveled at his output.
Shotrock- Posts : 3924
Join date : 2011-05-10
Location : Philadelphia
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Padraig rockin a pair of glasses now i see.
How about Luke List's shot from the woods?? Stiff, to set up a birdie to make the cut. Incredible!
How about Luke List's shot from the woods?? Stiff, to set up a birdie to make the cut. Incredible!
incontinentia- Posts : 3977
Join date : 2012-01-06
Location : Ireland
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
A pair of glasses and a trio of bogeys.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
But a closing birdie for Padraig covers a multitude of bogeysins. Not bad in the end, but nowhere near as good as Rory whose three closing birdies see him sleep (let's hope) in fifth place. Martin Laird still on the fringe of contention and Russell Knox will hopefully make the cut.
Brian Davis would be right there but - oh, those double bogeys.
Looks like some "MDF''s tomorrow as scores kept improving.
Brian Davis would be right there but - oh, those double bogeys.
Looks like some "MDF''s tomorrow as scores kept improving.
Last edited by kwinigolfer on Sat 06 Apr 2013, 12:25 am; edited 1 time in total
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
As I said ... Europe's hope rest with Ireland.
Rory!!
Rory!!
Shotrock- Posts : 3924
Join date : 2011-05-10
Location : Philadelphia
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
The headlines may be all about Rory, but some good (and disappointing) stories on the undercard:
Marcel Siem rebounds from his Round 1 76 to a Round 2 67 (tied for round of the day) and his last gasp bid for a Masters invite has oxygen.
And Russell Knox rebounds from a 15th hole double to birdie the 17th and make the cut on the number, along with Norlander.
No Fish for the weekend and one hopes he'll take a few weeks off, perhaps just with his putter for company.
And disappointment for Robbie Karlsson who narrowly missed joining countryman Norlander as his birdie attempt on 18 slid by.
More than 80 golfers for Round 3 so there'll be another cut Saturday evening with the top 70 and ties playing Sunday, the rest going home with a five-figure cheque and a fraction of a FedEx point.
Marcel Siem rebounds from his Round 1 76 to a Round 2 67 (tied for round of the day) and his last gasp bid for a Masters invite has oxygen.
And Russell Knox rebounds from a 15th hole double to birdie the 17th and make the cut on the number, along with Norlander.
No Fish for the weekend and one hopes he'll take a few weeks off, perhaps just with his putter for company.
And disappointment for Robbie Karlsson who narrowly missed joining countryman Norlander as his birdie attempt on 18 slid by.
More than 80 golfers for Round 3 so there'll be another cut Saturday evening with the top 70 and ties playing Sunday, the rest going home with a five-figure cheque and a fraction of a FedEx point.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
I know kwini and super have major issues with Tiger because of his interaction with the golfing types. But watching this you wonder if he his given up hope, having realised nothing will change, and decided to give two fingers to the game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pw9iaKKrem0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pw9iaKKrem0
McLaren- Posts : 17630
Join date : 2011-01-27
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Super has changed mate.. Not one bad word said about him. And he is allowed !!
mystiroakey- Posts : 32472
Join date : 2011-03-06
Age : 47
Location : surrey
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
All my talk about this being a good track for Europeans because it doesn't require a birdie blitz and which one is highest on the leaderboard? The one who is capable of a full on birdie fest!
Sheldo25- Posts : 35
Join date : 2012-02-20
Location : Chelmsford
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
This Billy fella is doing a bit well atm!
Rors is just class though Sheld... he can do it all(when in form)
Rors is just class though Sheld... he can do it all(when in form)
mystiroakey- Posts : 32472
Join date : 2011-03-06
Age : 47
Location : surrey
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
mysti, Sheldo,
I really think that's true . . . . . but as mysti says, "when in form".
No action until 3.00 p.m.-ish BST today, and then they'll be off in threesomes, off both nines. Hanson, Harrington and Laird playing together, guaranteed logjam behind them.
I really think that's true . . . . . but as mysti says, "when in form".
No action until 3.00 p.m.-ish BST today, and then they'll be off in threesomes, off both nines. Hanson, Harrington and Laird playing together, guaranteed logjam behind them.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
McIlroy, unlike almost any other top player, seems to suddenly come into form from nowhere. Can't rule him out next week, however he plays the weekend here.
Sheldo25- Posts : 35
Join date : 2012-02-20
Location : Chelmsford
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Best thing about McIlroy (and Mickelson and Woods) is that he's not afraid to win.
Think they're the only three I'd place in that category right now . . . . most of the rest get vertigo, especially if competing against one of those three.
A fine day weather-wise in prospect, warm but a touch breezy, warmer still (mid 80"s) Sunday. Could be tricky conditions if the greens really dry out.
Think they're the only three I'd place in that category right now . . . . most of the rest get vertigo, especially if competing against one of those three.
A fine day weather-wise in prospect, warm but a touch breezy, warmer still (mid 80"s) Sunday. Could be tricky conditions if the greens really dry out.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Remember, too, Rory's got unfinished business at Augusta. He and Woods favorites (IMO) heading into next week. I still put his performance at Congressional as one of the most impressive feats I've ever witnessed in the professional game.
Shotrock- Posts : 3924
Join date : 2011-05-10
Location : Philadelphia
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
More double bogeys and worse than birdies in the early going in San Antonio but most of the Europeans seem to have escaped the big numbers so far.
Oops, Shane Lowry just got an ugly Six.
Oops, Shane Lowry just got an ugly Six.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Oscar time!!
get in. Got him each way!- nice payout
True kwini - those are the only real winners currently.
get in. Got him each way!- nice payout
True kwini - those are the only real winners currently.
mystiroakey- Posts : 32472
Join date : 2011-03-06
Age : 47
Location : surrey
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
My dream final two pairings for Masters Sunday would be Westwood and Donald last, with Rose and Poulter just before them.......
If I can't have that, then I think very exciting viewing would involve any two of Rory, Woods or Phil.
If I can't have that, then I think very exciting viewing would involve any two of Rory, Woods or Phil.
Sheldo25- Posts : 35
Join date : 2012-02-20
Location : Chelmsford
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Unfortunately we haven't seen an English win over here for thirteen months, Ryder Cup success apart.
Meanwhile, Marcel has struck a rich Siem of form, and Shane has bounced back nicely, bouncing being an operative word in that case of course.
Meanwhile, Marcel has struck a rich Siem of form, and Shane has bounced back nicely, bouncing being an operative word in that case of course.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Playing five hour rounds again today, Thanks Timmy.
Team GB&I have 6 in the Top 30, Poults and Russell Knox on the (secondary) cut line, and three (Donaldson, Fish and Christian) outathere.
Team GB&I have 6 in the Top 30, Poults and Russell Knox on the (secondary) cut line, and three (Donaldson, Fish and Christian) outathere.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Very impressed with Siem's performance yesterday and today... Anyone knows if he had any experience as an amateur playing in US?
C'mon Rors!!
C'mon Rors!!
princedracula- Posts : 3258
Join date : 2011-06-26
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Sheldo25 wrote:My dream final two pairings for Masters Sunday would be Westwood and Donald last, with Rose and Poulter just before them.......
If I can't have that, then I think very exciting viewing would involve any two of Rory, Woods or Phil.
i like this poster
mystiroakey- Posts : 32472
Join date : 2011-03-06
Age : 47
Location : surrey
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Beware the Yank "no names" for this tournament. Amazing if the American streak goes all the way to Augusta.
Shotrock- Posts : 3924
Join date : 2011-05-10
Location : Philadelphia
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Poulter looks like he will be headed to Augusta tonight.
His cut streak still intact though!
Play is really slow. Rory's group is taking 2 hrs 50 min to play first nine holes.
His cut streak still intact though!
Play is really slow. Rory's group is taking 2 hrs 50 min to play first nine holes.
GPB- Posts : 7283
Join date : 2012-02-10
Location : Midwest, USA
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
GPB,
Just the way the Tour and USGA likes it - they could do something about it if they wanted to . . . . .
One person who's not hanging about is Marcel Siem . . . . How ironic it would be if #51 was this week's winner!
Just the way the Tour and USGA likes it - they could do something about it if they wanted to . . . . .
One person who's not hanging about is Marcel Siem . . . . How ironic it would be if #51 was this week's winner!
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
robo will be pleased to see West Texas (sort of) boys Estes and Palmer invading the top ten - just Estes' pace I should think.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Timely ace for Johnson in Brazil...
NedB-H- Posts : 2147
Join date : 2011-01-27
Location : Kent / Ceredigion
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Ned,
When Richard S won for the only time on the PGA Tour he had a hole-in-one during his final round.
Happy omen?
Meanwhile, Horschel will win going away if he keeps making twenty-footers, just like another of Sr's "American no-names".
When Richard S won for the only time on the PGA Tour he had a hole-in-one during his final round.
Happy omen?
Meanwhile, Horschel will win going away if he keeps making twenty-footers, just like another of Sr's "American no-names".
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Good finish for Shane and a Par-4 eagle for Poults might wake him up.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Indeed, but he's going to have to keep that intensity in check, Kwin.
Euro charge (as predicted) led by the the lads from Ireland.
Even par won't get it done for Rory.
Go Orange.
Euro charge (as predicted) led by the the lads from Ireland.
Even par won't get it done for Rory.
Go Orange.
Shotrock- Posts : 3924
Join date : 2011-05-10
Location : Philadelphia
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Ireland followed by Northern Ireland and Scotland, England struggling and Wales gone home.
Go Orange is right, would be a wonderful thing if they can win it all and then Jimmy B can ride off into the sunset - or the first tee at The Cavalry Club . . . .
Go Orange is right, would be a wonderful thing if they can win it all and then Jimmy B can ride off into the sunset - or the first tee at The Cavalry Club . . . .
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Strange sort of round for Johnson, four par 3s played so far and he's recorded a 1, a 2, a 3 and a 4 on them. One more still to come, hopefully he won't keep the run going with a double...kwinigolfer wrote:Ned,
When Richard S won for the only time on the PGA Tour he had a hole-in-one during his final round.
Happy omen?
Meanwhile, Horschel will win going away if he keeps making twenty-footers, just like another of Sr's "American no-names".
Good bit of damage limitation from Davis after he imploded mid-round, but Poulter still dropping like a stone, and Hanson too. Thoughts already turned to next week, maybe.
NedB-H- Posts : 2147
Join date : 2011-01-27
Location : Kent / Ceredigion
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Wow, Over-a-tonne surely lost a load of pounds lately... wind almost blowing him away on the greens.
Billy the kid almost running (and jumping) away with this at the moment...
Billy the kid almost running (and jumping) away with this at the moment...
princedracula- Posts : 3258
Join date : 2011-06-26
Re: PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
Off in threesomes for Round 4, and off 1st and 10th tees, kicking off at 9.35 local.
Not sure why that is, but Rory with Texans Palmer and RoboPro (hope that robopz is not a pseudonym for Bob Estes - or maybe I do, I've been to Graham, TX, and not people can say that), and Harrington and Laird play together for the second time, this time with the slimline Boom Baby.
Not sure why that is, but Rory with Texans Palmer and RoboPro (hope that robopz is not a pseudonym for Bob Estes - or maybe I do, I've been to Graham, TX, and not people can say that), and Harrington and Laird play together for the second time, this time with the slimline Boom Baby.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
Join date : 2011-05-18
Location : Vermont
Page 2 of 4 • 1, 2, 3, 4
Similar topics
» PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
» PGA Tour: "Valero Texas Open": Notes from the Ballwasher
» PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
» PGA Tour: The Valero Texas Open - Who Cares?: Notes from the Ballwasher
» PGA Tour: Back to Texas: Notes from the Ballwasher
» PGA Tour: "Valero Texas Open": Notes from the Ballwasher
» PGA Tour: Valero Texas Open: Notes from the Ballwasher
» PGA Tour: The Valero Texas Open - Who Cares?: Notes from the Ballwasher
» PGA Tour: Back to Texas: Notes from the Ballwasher
The v2 Forum :: Sport :: Golf
Page 2 of 4
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum