Richie Woodhall = The Pits!!

What is it with this guy...Is he worried by saying anything that might be regarded as not 100% British he'll lose his meat ticket even If it's garbage he's spouting?????......"Great performance by Fury"......after 6 rounds he had it 57-56 Fury....WTF ..So Cunningham only won 1 round with the point off!!!

all through the 80's and 90s Cruiserweight champions have been used as canonfodder for aspiring heavyweights............Cole, Ratcliff, Qawi, Tillman, Mccrory, Parkey.. all there to do what they are supposed to get flattened off someone decent.....Usually the decent guy has a half ashamed look like Foreman or Tyson after creaming the little boy.......

Dear oh dear last night we had a shameless tub of lard being decked and made to look an amateur by an old ex cruiser.....and after he won Fury jumped about like he beat King Kong!!!..shameless..

As for Degale...well we won't go there!!

Ps to SKY and C5..Stop saying that guys like him and Rees will get a following in America because they are so clumsy they are exciting........As the last 100 years show the USA and it's fans aspire a little higher than that!!

The only british fighters to have made it big in america have been great fighters from Wilde to Berg to Lewis to Buchanan to Hamed to Hatton to Lewis, each and every one of them among the best this country has produced. Fury and Rees don't belong in that company so doubt very much that they'll make an impact.

i thought fury handled the pressure well, at least he didn't crumple like price. he had a shaky start and cunninghams speed was much faster, but he did settle down and start timing him better.

huck stepped up and gave povetkin hell, fury did better with cunningham than povetkin did with huck.

helenius, povetkin, boystov, adamek. all winnable fights for fury imo

The difference is that Huck is a very big cruiserweight with a high work rate and reasonable punch who's far more suited to the higher weight. Think Fury is getting far too much credit for being absolutely garbage and fouling himself out of trouble.

I was sickened by the commentary last night.

Was absolutely the worst I have seen.

I had Cunningham up by about 5 up on the cards with the knockdown and point deduction.

I thought he made fury look garbage me just outfoxed him

I also felt sorry for the knockout, was a blatant foul!!

Left elbow to the face tilting his head back and then smashed him with his right?!

He is a proper gypsy.

How ANYONE had him up by even a round needs to change sports ASAP!

The praise he was getting for being knocked down by ahold cruiser weight, bung dirty and being completely out boxed is ridiculous.

Awful commentary.

Fury was a big rough lumbering buffoon last night who won through his natural size and fouls. The skill gap between the two was drastic.

With that said, he showed heart and a fighting spirit which is to be admired. Also displayed a tactical variation from his last fight.

Cunningham's camp should be furious about the fouling.

Fury's camp should be worried about his chin and composure for a big fight, he was way too wound up.

Woodhall was obviously watching with rose-tints on. I had Cunningham up by 4 and utterly agree that Fury looked terrible. There was needless goading (which stopped as soon as Cunningham put him down - good!) and the shove at the end of the first was a disgrace.

If Fury is serious about being the number 1 heavyweight, he needs to shore up his defences and insert some steel in his rubbish chin. To be decked hard by an former cruiser who's on the slide should make him very very worried indeed. He only has to fight a half-decent puncher & it's career-rebuild time...

And seriously, WTF was that singing s*** about???

Chinny dirtbird

Great fight with the better fighter winning with a devastating ko.

The better fighter lost, the bigger less able man won with a dirty knockout but let's overlook any of that and proclaim him to be better than he was.

Nonsense. Should we apply that to Hatton who is usually bigger and stronger than most of his opponents? Nothing dirty about the win also. Great body shot, followed by a cracking right cross and brural right hook.

I can only presume you've not seen the fight then if you don't think the knockout was a clear foul, were it anyone else you'd be crying like a baby.

Only watched the fight from round 4 onwards because of casualty.
Definite improvements in Fury's game and showed decent (no, not world class) fitness. Yes Cunningham is exacly how you guys describe him but still the best Fury has faced and at 24 a lot of time for improvement.

Never been a Fury fan of either his style or rubbish spouted in the media, but hey, the guy just made his American debut and won whilst being a decade younger than most of the other top names in the division.

What foul? You guys are nitpicking.

The blatant foreman pushing and holding his head back, I never understand why people feel the need to BS when we're able to see what happened.

So the body punch and right cross had nothing to do with it. Haters gonna hate.

Foreman to the face is an illegal move but it's not like you to twist the truth.

Are you obsessed with george Ghostyl? You've said foreman rather than forearm nearly everytime you posted it

Believe it or not that's the auto correct on my phone.

It happens all the time. Only haters would use it and make an issues out of it.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Believe it or not that's the auto correct on my phone.

It would be.

Or somebody calling it as he sees, far too easy to call anybody who isn't glowing with praise a hater. He looked poor and had to resort to dirty tactics to win, not being a hater that is what happens. What confuses me is how anybody can see it any differently.

Ghosty when anyone has a different opinion you don't understand why. He is our second best hw and an exciting fighter.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Believe it or not that's the auto correct on my phone.

I believe it, thats why i try not to come on with that bloody thing. I was typing in urdu and a word I used hadnt been added to the dictionary in my phone and it autocorrected it to mwah. MY uncle texted back immediately and asked if this was a role reversal or a police sting?

Just watched it there. The filthy cheating stinkin dirtrat of a tarmacer

I don't see how anyone can overlook a clear foul or see a pisspoor performance yet for reasons known only to them decide to ignore either. No offence to Fury but i'm not an irish traveller so his nationality means nothing to me nor do I find a lumbering oaf exciting.

The only credible heavyweight we have is Haye and even he is short of the very top level.

Well the bigots are out. Idiots

It wasn't a clear foul. Dud cunny make an issue with it? Only haters have.

I'm bigoted because I can't relate to an irish traveller, a few of my work colleagues are Romany gypsies and we all rate Saunders fairly highly while they are embarrassed by Fury.

As soon as anyone doesn't rate a fighter of a particular racial group it means their racist or bigoted when in fact we just see things how they are instead of deliberately being contrary.

azania wrote:It wasn't a clear foul. Dud cunny make an issue with it? Only haters have.

Yes he did in his post fight interview

Clearly pushes his forearm into Cunninghams face and then lands the right hand, no you're right that isn't a clear foul at all.

Only a few nitpickers are making a meal out of it. No boxing outlet is. People with an agenda always do.

The ring magazine have picked up on it, end of the day it was a foul shot you surely can't deny that.

It's a small foul that people do all the time, Floyd loves to shove the forearm in the throat and gets away with it as well. It's a strange situation because it would be very harsh to DQ Fury but at the same time I can see why Cunningham would feel aggrieved.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I'm bigoted because I can't relate to an irish traveller, a few of my work colleagues are Romany gypsies and we all rate Saunders fairly highly while they are embarrassed by Fury.

As soon as anyone doesn't rate a fighter of a particular racial group it means their racist or bigoted when in fact we just see things how they are instead of deliberately being contrary.

Nothing you have written is remotely bigoted or born out of bigotry. Yours is unfair criticism and you being overly harsh. What you have written can apply to all other hw boxers. But you forget that this was his first fight in USA, he was too hyped and I reckon he thought he could walk through him. He was too confident and eager to impress.

In round one I wrote that he was wide open to get spanked. In 2 he got decked. Had he boxed cautiously he would have stunk the place out and get serious criticism for not dealing with a small guy. He didn't look good but he looked exciting which is good for box office.

The singing adds to his whacky character which also sells. Being humble with his 'talents' is silly.

We're not talking about any other heavyweights though are we this is purely to do with Fury not what others have done, he was very poor against a guy he outweighed by 44lbs, i'm not going to make excuses for him he was poor and has to be criticised for that.

I also don't understand how he was at all exciting, once he was floored he used his head, forearms and held at every opportunity he could, the only excitement was when Cunningham landed. He utilised his size and that's about it, he didn't win through ability.

He's a big heavy who throws a lot of punches , he threw a lot more than Cunningham. He gets knocked down gets up and wins fights. He also throws some decent combinations and has pretty fast hands.
That makes for a lot more excitement than most heavies provide. Last night pretty much summed that up.
Think its worth remembering Cunningham was a step up in class in terms of ability and speed and clearly it came as a bit of a shock. Just have to wait and see if he learns from it and improves, and for me he does tend to do that.

Total nonsense ghosty. I defer to diggers post.

Excitement is watching somebody with ability, throwing a lot and being vulnerable means diddly squat when you're so sloppy and lumbering.

You can't have seen many exciting fights then. Did the fight bore you?

He has ability , he's no Ali but like I said he has fast hands and throws combination...sometimes. Not enough last night and he can jab, again didn't use it as well as he should have done last night.
No way the finished article but I think people are forgetting just how dull and slow most heavies and heavyweight fights are by and large.

azania wrote:You can't have seen many exciting fights then. Did the fight bore you?

I didn't find it overly exciting no, throwing a lot doesn't equate to be exciting for me, it has to be done in an effective way which I don't feel Fury does.

Mayweather is exciting because everything is done with precision while somebody like Rios does nothing for me as he's too wild.

That's your opinion. I respect it but disagree. When does a boxer become good enough to be exciting?

If he hadn't used his size and weight advantage last night everyone would be saying why didn't he bully him and use his demise and weight. But he gets stick for doing what even Cunningham said at the end of the fight was what Fury needed to do.
He is also still only 24, a baby as a heavy. It's not like he doesn't have time to improve. That doesn't mean he will but most other fighters would at least be considered as having that possibility. Fury keeps winning and still keeps getting completely written off.

We have to factor in his opposition and he has yet to face any of the top ranked men in the division, Cunnigham is a decent cruiserweight with no real power so to be troubled so badly by him doesn't bode well for the future. It gives a good indication that he stands no chance against Haye while he wont be able to bully either of the brothers or Pulev.

He like many is relying on Wlad retiring, forget about Vitali because the WBC title has Arreolas name all over it.

Woodhall was his usual, terrible old self in the commentary box last night. There was a time when I used to get wound up by his blatant jingoism, but now I just tend to shake my head and take whatever he says with a pinch of salt where a British fighter is concerned.

Anyway, it seems ol' Fury is splitting opinion right down the middle again! I still find it a bit odd that it seems to be all or nothing when it comes to fans' opinions of him and his performances. It seems today that most are either delighted or appalled by his showing last night, but personally I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Certain aspects to admire, others to be critical of.

I was a little surprised that so many were predicted a cakewalk for Fury; Cunningham's a very decent boxer and a good mover, too. If the fight got in to close quarters, then naturally Fury held most of the aces, but it was clear to me that Fury wasn't going to have an easy job getting hold of his man from the off in this one. Understandably, given he's 6'9" and over eighteen stone, Fury's mobility is never going to be top notch, and watching Cunningham's last showing against Adamek I was pretty confident that he'd use enough ring space and throw quick punches from enough angles to give Tyson some stuff to think about.

Mind you, I wasn't expecting him to have that kind of power and to be able to put Fury over and really shake him up!

Fury's defence was woeful last night, no two ways around that. Why he was electing to try and fight inside when he's clearly a better fighter at range was beyond me. He was a sucker for the right hand all night long and, even if Wladimir likes to take his time in sizing an opponent up, Fury wouldn't have lasted until the half way stage against little brother fighting like that.

However, I can't help but feel that if it was a certain other British Heavyweight who'd been down heavily and hurt, but then came back to earn a stoppage, more of us would be quick to at least point out how much heart and grit they showed. No matter how good you are, you're going to have to dig deep and soak it up at times, and Fury showed that there's no dog in him.

I'm all for criticism of a fighter's performance now and then, even if they win, and as I've said there were aspects of Fury's showing last night which he deserves a kicking for. But let's at least give the positives some consideration, too.

Definitely a foul immediately before the knockout, which he was lucky to get away with, but he had been starting to just wear Cunningham down a little beforehand, and the finishing shot itself was still a cracker and a reminder that Fury's got enough pop in his fists to keep any Heavyweight honest.

Last night demonstrated exactly why Fury, barring some miraculous turnaround, will never be a Heavyweight champion of any significant historical note, but at the same time, in a sport where we're often bemoaning a lack of exciting Heavyweight fights and a lack of characters to get people watching, he is proving to be good entertainment, I think. Take out the fact that it was a Brit fighting last night and, ultimately, it was a very good and enjoyable fight, first and foremost.

Fury showed us plenty of weaknesses last night, but he showed us some things to admire as well.

Haye would definitely be a bad match up for him, I actually think he would fare better against either of the Klitchkos but agree he'd probably still lose.
But Id have him as a fringe top 10 heavy based on his record and he's probably the youngest of all the guys coming through.
Which isn't bad because if you believed some of the stuff on here he may as well retire tomorrow. It's like you have to be a nailed on certainty to be a world champ to even bother.
I can see him winning a belt at some point , probably losing it quickly and maybe winning one back, that kind of career. But we shall see.

It seems that you have to be an ATG to be exciting also.

I think Fury is actually good fun generally; but last night he was poor Az, and although that last punch was indeed a cracker whether fair or foul in your eyes, for the rest of the fight he was awful.

He has a lot to learn. At least he has half decent recuperation - but he IS chinny. As soon as he fights a proper puncher it's likely he's getting counted out.

He fought the wrong fight. No two ways about that. But had he fought like he did against kingoin he would have been slaughtered. I like him but also realise that he is no atg. A future champ probably. He wouldn't have been a contender a decade ago. But given the current crop he is up there. As for excitement, he brings that to the table.

Az stop taking everything to the extreme. I said in my preview article there would be some rocky moments for Tyson to overcome and he just that which he should be commended for.

However he looked poor last night, probably the worst he has looked since teaming up with his uncle. He will have to box smart if he faces Pulev otherwise he'd get punished. Ironically a few months ago Fury was quoted as saying that all Wlad does is lean on his opponents draining their stamina, when the going got tough last night he did just that. We've all said Amir Khans mouth engages quicker than his brain and the same can be said for Fury.