NUKQ Lions

Two Tongans, two Maoris, two South Africans, a Samoan and 9 Irishmen walk into a bar, and the barman says, "well done on your selection for the British & Irish Lions tour to OZ lads".

This has surprised me.

NUCK's in the Squad

You left out the 9 Irishmen in your NUKQs.

What's the point you're making?

Pot Hale[b] wrote:You left out the 9 Irishmen in your NUKQs.[/b]
What's the point you're making?

Its the British & IRISH Lions.

thats why there is 9 irish.


You say that as there not supposed to be there.

West - he sais it because the OP has only referenced the UK

ah fair enough. to early for me.

And i'm stupid

OK I'll edit my post

So 'outsiders' contribute nothing to Welsh rugby, and now you have issue with players origins being outside of the british isles, despite them fullfilling the Qualification rules...

There is a trend here, and I don't like it Allty!!!

Have to say I agree with Alty on this one, I think it should be representative of home grown players, but then I beleive that for every international representative team


Pride, patriotism, tribalism and all that stuff.

I don't get the 'well done' to the Irish for being in the British and Irish Lions

Anywhooo....what's a NUCK?

I think he's going for Non UK Qualified NUKQ as opposed to T-eam W-ithout A-ny T-alent

RubyGuby wrote:I think he's going for Non UK Qualified NUKQ as opposed to T-eam W-ithout A-ny T-alent

Indeed, although my impression is the OP is in favour of 'T-eam W-ithout A-ny T-alent'

Still don't know what a NUCK is. Maybe I will make something up.

thebluesmancometh wrote: So 'outsiders' contribute nothing to Welsh rugby, and now you have issue with players origins being outside of the british isles, despite them fullfilling the Qualification rules...

There is a trend here, and I don't like it Allty!!!

I dont think you have read my post Bluey.

I'm simply pointing out the origins of individual players not forgetting our Irish brothers.

Biltong wrote:Have to say I agree with Alty on this one, I think it should be representative of home grown players, but then I beleive that for every international representative team


Pride, patriotism, tribalism and all that stuff.

Bilt

Where do you draw the line?
Toby Faletau was about 7 when he moved to Wales, so has been here almost his entire school life and certainly his entire rugby life.
Manu T was 12 or 13, so was developed as a player by Leicester Academy.
Mako Vunipola was developed in the Bristol academy (and is New Zealand by birth although Tongan by ancestry) - haven't got the age he came to the UK, but certainly was while still at school.
Hartley (leaving aside that he shouldn't have been picked ahead of Best) came over to attend college at 17/18 and is EQ'd by ancestry

OK, I'd prefer it if we weren't picking players like Maitland, whose only link is ancestral and who has only been in the UK a year, but unfortunately a precedent has been set with picking the likes of Flutey for the last tour.

dummy_half wrote:

Biltong wrote:Have to say I agree with Alty on this one, I think it should be representative of home grown players, but then I beleive that for every international representative team


Pride, patriotism, tribalism and all that stuff.

Bilt

Where do you draw the line?
Toby Faletau was about 7 when he moved to Wales, so has been here almost his entire school life and certainly his entire rugby life.
Manu T was 12 or 13, so was developed as a player by Leicester Academy.
Mako Vunipola was developed in the Bristol academy (and is New Zealand by birth although Tongan by ancestry) - haven't got the age he came to the UK, but certainly was while still at school.
Hartley (leaving aside that he shouldn't have been picked ahead of Best) came over to attend college at 17/18 and is EQ'd by ancestry

OK, I'd prefer it if we weren't picking players like Maitland, whose only link is ancestral and who has only been in the UK a year, but unfortunately a precedent has been set with picking the likes of Flutey for the last tour.

we've gone through this before mate, where did he learn to play rugby?

Biltong wrote:

dummy_half wrote:

Biltong wrote:Have to say I agree with Alty on this one, I think it should be representative of home grown players, but then I beleive that for every international representative team


Pride, patriotism, tribalism and all that stuff.

Bilt

Where do you draw the line?
Toby Faletau was about 7 when he moved to Wales, so has been here almost his entire school life and certainly his entire rugby life.
Manu T was 12 or 13, so was developed as a player by Leicester Academy.
Mako Vunipola was developed in the Bristol academy (and is New Zealand by birth although Tongan by ancestry) - haven't got the age he came to the UK, but certainly was while still at school.
Hartley (leaving aside that he shouldn't have been picked ahead of Best) came over to attend college at 17/18 and is EQ'd by ancestry

OK, I'd prefer it if we weren't picking players like Maitland, whose only link is ancestral and who has only been in the UK a year, but unfortunately a precedent has been set with picking the likes of Flutey for the last tour.

we've gone through this before mate, where did he learn to play rugby?

OK - it's a reasonable criterion, by which reckoning the first three I list are fine. Not sure which side of the line it puts Hartley (I assume he played a good amount of age group rugby in NZ).

Well let's use SA calling their U20 world cup squad as their 2nd team, anyone getting to our U 19 Currie Cup teams as "poaching" stars should not be allowed in any way.

Those kids were already identified at Craven week, which is our school system.

The Vunipolos learned their trade in Wales

Allty - just a thought, you calss them as Non Uk Qualified, although they are qualified (well except the Irish) and have played international rugby for either Wales, England or Scotland.

That said I did comment yesterday about that Lions squad having a fair few players who were born in the Southern Hemisphere.

RubyGuby wrote:The Vunipolos learned their trade in Wales

They even have Welsh Valley accents.

LordDowlais wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:The Vunipolos learned their trade in Wales

They even have Welsh Valley accents.

As Long as we Help the English - new song coming out

[quote="LordDowlais"][quote="RubyGuby"]The Vunipolos learned their trade in Wales [/quote]

They even have Welsh Valley accents. [/quote]


Well they will have now in a minute.

Theres a really good photo of Vunipolo aged 9 with a load of other Welsh children but he's easily twice the size of them

Wales has got strong roots with PI rugby

Vunipola is Faletau's cousin. Both dads came over to play rugby in Wales - Faletau's Dad Kuli for Ebbw Vale and Pontypool, and Fe'Ao 'Vinny' Vunipola for Pontypool and then I think Pontypridd. My mate worked with Mr Vunipola a while back as he went into surveying after rugby.

I think both sets of parents sent their boys to Filton College which has a good rugby academy. Toby was then snapped up by the Dragons but the Vunipola boys were signed by English teams.

Damn those English teams !!!

Biltong wrote:Have to say I agree with Alty on this one, I think it should be representative of home grown players, but then I beleive that for every international representative team


Pride, patriotism, tribalism and all that stuff.

And South Africa's rugby history is a great example of that.