Pacquiao vs Mosley: Weigh in, build up, and the fight.

by D4thincarnation Fri May 06, 2011 11:37 pm

First topic message reminder :

Ok I'll put this thread up for all the build up and the fight itself for the mega fight this weekend.

http://www.boxingscene.com/weights-manny-pacquiao-145-shane-mosley-147-more--38901

The have just had the weigh in, Manny has come in at 145lbs and Mosley bang on 147lbs and is looking in the best shape he has been in for several years.

Anybody have any thoughts on the weigh in?

When I get a link of the weigh in I'll put it up.

by azania Sat May 07, 2011 3:52 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 3:52 pm

Every soundbite I hear about this fight reinforces the opinion that all involved are papering over Mosley's shortcomings.

Nazim talking about 'when Shane wins', just like he did before Mayweather.

Roach trotting out that old 'best training camp ever' line.

Pacquiao saying how Mosley 'isn't THAT slow'.

Roach saying that Mosley is very experienced, and that 'experience can't be replaced'-neglecting to mention that his youth can't either, and that is most definitely gone.

Mosley himself saying how he's 'glad to be a part of this', like he's just happy to be getting a paycheque.

All adds up to nothing but hype.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 3:53 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

Holding is against the rules of boxing.

Pacquiao is a pure boxer

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 3:53 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:Are the last two parts of that episode as dull as the first part?

You going to love the Manny Pacquiao comedy sketch

I thought that was tomorrow?

by azania Sat May 07, 2011 3:54 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

Holding is against the rules of boxing.

Pacquiao is a pure boxer

Its accepted and done by all boxers when hurt. Even Ali did it.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 3:55 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

Holding is against the rules of boxing.

Pacquiao is a pure boxer

Who shows a lack of intelligence when it comes to protecting himself.

by azania Sat May 07, 2011 3:56 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:Every soundbite I hear about this fight reinforces the opinion that all involved are papering over Mosley's shortcomings.

Nazim talking about 'when Shane wins', just like he did before Mayweather.

Roach trotting out that old 'best training camp ever' line.

Pacquiao saying how Mosley 'isn't THAT slow'.

Roach saying that Mosley is very experienced, and that 'experience can't be replaced'-neglecting to mention that his youth can't either, and that is most definitely gone.

Mosley himself saying how he's 'glad to be a part of this', like he's just happy to be getting a paycheque.

All adds up to nothing but hype.

Papering over them? They're using bricks and mortar and even trying to tell us this fight is competitive. If anyone in boxing tells me in the middle of a thunderstorm, that its raining, I'd have to check for myself.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 3:57 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

Holding is against the rules of boxing.

Pacquiao is a pure boxer

Its accepted and done by all boxers when hurt. Even Ali did it.

It still against the rules. and Refs have penalised it before and even DQ fighters because of it. Ref's IMO should take a tougher stance on breaking the rules of boxing

by Imperial Ghosty Sat May 07, 2011 3:58 pm

Good god you talk some sh!t

by azania Sat May 07, 2011 3:58 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

Holding is against the rules of boxing.

Pacquiao is a pure boxer

Its accepted and done by all boxers when hurt. Even Ali did it.

It still against the rules. and Refs have penalised it before and even DQ fighters because of it. Ref's IMO should take a tougher stance on breaking the rules of boxing

Has Manny ever broken the rules (not marriage vows type of rules).

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 4:00 pm

He threw a double punch against Clottey.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:02 pm

A tougher stance on the rules of boxing? Yeah, Manny should have been disqualified for that two-handed punch on Clottey. What a scumbag. D4 you are talking so much nonsense. Excessive holding is penalised. Not every hold. Khan should have been DQd against Maidana, I suppose.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 4:03 pm

Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:03 pm

Honestly, I started watching the first part of that episode but I couldn't stomach all the bullsh!t.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:04 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

No, Mosley should have been disqualified for holding.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 4:06 pm

If Pacquiao wins in a war does he get more credit because he will be beating Shane at his own game?

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:07 pm

No. Do you agree that Khan should have been disqualified for holding Maidana too much, and the same goes for Mosley against Margarito?

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 4:10 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:No. Do you agree that Khan should have been disqualified for holding Maidana too much, and the same goes for Mosley against Margarito?

I think the ref should have taken a tough stance, two warning, two point dedections then DQ them.

If you let fighters get away with it they will keep on doing it.

IMO Manny will deserve a hell of a lot of credit if he beats Shane that way.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:13 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:No. Do you agree that Khan should have been disqualified for holding Maidana too much, and the same goes for Mosley against Margarito?

I think the ref should have taken a tough stance, two warning, two point dedections then DQ them.

If you let fighters get away with it they will keep on doing it.

IMO Manny will deserve a hell of a lot of credit if he beats Shane that way.

IYO Manny deserves a hell of a lot of credit for brushing his own hair. And what you're saying is that those two fighters shouldn't have been able to fight in the manner which afforded them the wins which you yourself have so highly praised. Do you know what 'hypocrite' means?

by Imperial Ghosty Sat May 07, 2011 4:15 pm

Owned yet again D4, we got more shares in you than the whole stock market

by Rowley Sat May 07, 2011 4:21 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

Look at the punch Tommy Hearns knocked Duran out with, not sure many fighters at welter could withstand such a shot, maybe Manny could line Tommy up next.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 4:22 pm

Great line by Ariza, something that Freddie told him:

Never judge a fighter by his last fight, think about the best you have seen him and that how you prepard you fighter

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:23 pm

rowley wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

Look at the punch Tommy Hearns knocked Duran out with, not sure many fighters at welter could withstand such a shot, maybe Manny could line Tommy up next.

Hell, look at the shot Cooper put Clay down with...

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 4:23 pm

rowley wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

Look at the punch Tommy Hearns knocked Duran out with, not sure many fighters at welter could withstand such a shot, maybe Manny could line Tommy up next.

He does need the money.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 4:24 pm

let go to far of topic, this thread is about Cotto's view on the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:24 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Great line by Ariza, something that Freddie told him:

Never judge a fighter by his last fight, think about the best you have seen him and that how you prepard you fighter

What about when Trevor Berbick fought Ali? Same thing?

by Rowley Sat May 07, 2011 4:25 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Great line by Ariza, something that Freddie told him:

Never judge a fighter by his last fight, think about the best you have seen him and that how you prepard you fighter

It's not a great line it is common sense, prepare for the best fighter that can turn up. However that does not mean that fighter is going to turn up, a fighters age and recent form is a better form line for the fighter that is likely to turn up.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:27 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:let go to far of topic, this thread is about Cotto's view on the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight.

In other words you know full well that you've been owned AGAIN and want to change the subject. What a ducker.

by azania Sat May 07, 2011 4:42 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
rowley wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

Look at the punch Tommy Hearns knocked Duran out with, not sure many fighters at welter could withstand such a shot, maybe Manny could line Tommy up next.

Hell, look at the shot Cooper put Clay down with...

Manny can starttrainig for Cooper. Do you reckon he will insist on weight stips?

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:47 pm

azania wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
rowley wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

Look at the punch Tommy Hearns knocked Duran out with, not sure many fighters at welter could withstand such a shot, maybe Manny could line Tommy up next.

Hell, look at the shot Cooper put Clay down with...

Manny can starttrainig for Cooper. Do you reckon he will insist on weight stips?

Probably yeah, but I reckon by fight time Cooper will have lost the weight quite easily. But the last thing a fighter loses is his punch.

by azania Sat May 07, 2011 4:50 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
azania wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
rowley wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

Look at the punch Tommy Hearns knocked Duran out with, not sure many fighters at welter could withstand such a shot, maybe Manny could line Tommy up next.

Hell, look at the shot Cooper put Clay down with...

Manny can starttrainig for Cooper. Do you reckon he will insist on weight stips?

Probably yeah, but I reckon by fight time Cooper will have lost the weight quite easily. But the last thing a fighter loses is his punch.

True. Perhaps they will insist on Reyes gloves.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 4:52 pm

azania wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
azania wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
rowley wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

Look at the punch Tommy Hearns knocked Duran out with, not sure many fighters at welter could withstand such a shot, maybe Manny could line Tommy up next.

Hell, look at the shot Cooper put Clay down with...

Manny can starttrainig for Cooper. Do you reckon he will insist on weight stips?

Probably yeah, but I reckon by fight time Cooper will have lost the weight quite easily. But the last thing a fighter loses is his punch.

True. Perhaps they will insist on Reyes gloves.

Will the undisputed middle-through-to-heavyweight title be on the line?

by azania Sat May 07, 2011 5:05 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
azania wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
azania wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
rowley wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Just looking at that brutal beat down Shane put on Marg, don't think Manny could deal with that punishment, don't think any welter could.

Look at the punch Tommy Hearns knocked Duran out with, not sure many fighters at welter could withstand such a shot, maybe Manny could line Tommy up next.

Hell, look at the shot Cooper put Clay down with...

Manny can starttrainig for Cooper. Do you reckon he will insist on weight stips?

Probably yeah, but I reckon by fight time Cooper will have lost the weight quite easily. But the last thing a fighter loses is his punch.

True. Perhaps they will insist on Reyes gloves.

Will the undisputed middle-through-to-heavyweight title be on the line?

They'll create a cadavar division just for manny. After all he has been feasting on Floyd's kills like a hyena.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 5:10 pm

They'll just strip everyone of their belts, put them all on the line for one fight at a catchweight of 143lbs. Then let Manny give them up at the post-fight interview.

by pacman79 Sat May 07, 2011 5:30 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

Holding is against the rules of boxing.

Pacquiao is a pure boxer

Not defending yourself when your hurt isn't pure boxing, its just wreckless.
If Pac does that against Mosley, There is a very good chance of Pac getting sparked out.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 5:38 pm

pacman79 wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

Holding is against the rules of boxing.

Pacquiao is a pure boxer

Not defending yourself when your hurt isn't pure boxing, its just wreckless.
If Pac does that against Mosley, There is a very good chance of Pac getting sparked out.

Sometime the best form of defense is attack.

But the "pure boxer" statement is more do to with the fact that Pacquiao does not use spoiling or underhand tactics.

Pacquiao will defend himself but will attack at the same time. When Shane is firing looking for a KO he will at his most vunerable.

And there is no one better at picking a punch when the leather is flying than Manny Pacquiao

by pacman79 Sat May 07, 2011 5:41 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:
pacman79 wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

Holding is against the rules of boxing.

Pacquiao is a pure boxer

Not defending yourself when your hurt isn't pure boxing, its just wreckless.
If Pac does that against Mosley, There is a very good chance of Pac getting sparked out.

Sometime the best form of defense is attack.

But the "pure boxer" statement is more do to with the fact that Pacquiao does not use spoiling or underhand tactics.

Pacquiao will defend himself but will attack at the same time. When Shane is firing looking for a KO he will at his most vunerable.

And there is no one better at picking a punch when the leather is flying than Manny Pacquiao

I agree that SOMETIMES the best form of defence is attack but I think that could be a big mistake against Mosley

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 5:44 pm

pacman79 wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
pacman79 wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:
azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Pacquiao doesn't hold, he fights his way out of trouble, when he get hit hard, he hits back harder.

That's pretty stupid imo. Its not showing boxing intelligence whatsoever.

Holding is against the rules of boxing.

Pacquiao is a pure boxer

Not defending yourself when your hurt isn't pure boxing, its just wreckless.
If Pac does that against Mosley, There is a very good chance of Pac getting sparked out.

Sometime the best form of defense is attack.

But the "pure boxer" statement is more do to with the fact that Pacquiao does not use spoiling or underhand tactics.

Pacquiao will defend himself but will attack at the same time. When Shane is firing looking for a KO he will at his most vunerable.

And there is no one better at picking a punch when the leather is flying than Manny Pacquiao

I agree that SOMETIMES the best form of defence is attack but I think that could be a big mistake against Mosley

I agree, Mosley has the power to KO Manny and the chin to take his best shot, and with the significant weight advantage, it could be a mistake.

That why I think if Manny wins a war he will deserve more credit than if say he wins by a shut out.

Roach has been warning Manny about this and has been saying to be patient.

Shane's best chance of winning this fight if he does turn into a war.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 5:46 pm

What exactly IS 'pure' boxing anyway? Some of the things which were perfectly acceptable in boxing in the early 20th century are no longer seen as OK, so by that criteria boxing as we know it now is not as 'pure' as then. If pure boxing is (as considered by many) the premise of 'hit-and-don't-be-hit', then Pacquiao is certainly NOT a pure boxer.

by Rowley Sat May 07, 2011 5:50 pm

What exactly IS 'pure' boxing anyway?
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Nothing it is the latest in a long line of cliches and throwaway lines such as "form is temporary, class is permanent" and "styles makes fights" D4 falls back on in the absence of a coherent argument as to why Dorian was an old man when he fought Mayweather but is all of a sudden more dangerous than the ebola virus.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 5:52 pm

Fighters like Marquez and Pacquiao are pure boxers.

Tend to give the ref an easy night.

If you need to bend or break the rules of boxing as a tactic to compete then then that is not pure boxing.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 5:53 pm

rowley wrote:What exactly IS 'pure' boxing anyway?
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Nothing it is the latest in a long line of cliches and throwaway lines such as "form is temporary, class is permanent" and "styles makes fights" D4 falls back on in the absence of a coherent argument as to why Dorian was an old man when he fought Mayweather but is all of a sudden more dangerous than the ebola virus.

The ebola virus has nothing on a peptic ulcer

by azania Sat May 07, 2011 5:55 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Fighters like Marquez and Pacquiao are pure boxers.

Tend to give the ref an easy night.

If you need to bend or break the rules of boxing as a tactic to compete then then that is not pure boxing.

And Mayweather. thumbsup

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 5:56 pm

azania wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Fighters like Marquez and Pacquiao are pure boxers.

Tend to give the ref an easy night.

If you need to bend or break the rules of boxing as a tactic to compete then then that is not pure boxing.

And Mayweather.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 5:56 pm

rowley wrote:What exactly IS 'pure' boxing anyway?
________________________________________________________

Nothing it is the latest in a long line of cliches and throwaway lines such as "form is temporary, class is permanent" and "styles makes fights" D4 falls back on in the absence of a coherent argument as to why Dorian was an old man when he fought Mayweather but is all of a sudden more dangerous than the ebola virus.

Made me chuckle with that last bit. Gotta agree with the rest, too.

by D4thincarnation Sat May 07, 2011 6:11 pm

Do you think it would be wise for Mosley to head hunt, Pacquiao, constant head movement may make it difficult for Mosley to land cleanly. Mosley go to the body. Mosley is a great body puncher and Pacquiao body has been hurt before.

by BALTIMORA Sat May 07, 2011 6:14 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Do you think it would be wise for Mosley to head hunt, Pacquiao, constant head movement may make it difficult for Mosley to land cleanly. Mosley go to the body. Mosley is a great body puncher and Pacquiao body has been hurt before.

Mate, no-one gives a flying monkey's dick anymore. Seriously, give it a rest. All you do is come out with the same clichés and gibberish before ducking out of the debate when you've been shown up. Which is every single time.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sat May 07, 2011 6:14 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Fighters like Marquez and Pacquiao are pure boxers.

Tend to give the ref an easy night.

If you need to bend or break the rules of boxing as a tactic to compete then then that is not pure boxing.

Pure boxers? Pacquiao is quite poor defencively and lacks the slick skills of guys like Whittaker and Mayweather who I would consider to be 'pure' boxers.

Think you might have used the wrong cliche their mate.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat May 07, 2011 6:15 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
D4thincarnation wrote:Do you think it would be wise for Mosley to head hunt, Pacquiao, constant head movement may make it difficult for Mosley to land cleanly. Mosley go to the body. Mosley is a great body puncher and Pacquiao body has been hurt before.

Mate, no-one gives a flying monkey's dick anymore. Seriously, give it a rest. All you do is come out with the same clichés and gibberish before ducking out of the debate when you've been shown up. Which is every single time.

This man speaks sense

by azania Sat May 07, 2011 6:17 pm

D4thincarnation wrote:Do you think it would be wise for Mosley to head hunt, Pacquiao, constant head movement may make it difficult for Mosley to land cleanly. Mosley go to the body. Mosley is a great body puncher and Pacquiao body has been hurt before.

Mosely shouldn't even be fighting for the title. This must be the first time we're having a world title fight where the challenger is coming off a loss and a draw in his last 2 fights. And that loss was a comprehensive beating also. When did he win his last fight?

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