What Is Andre Ward's Stupid Problem?

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I mean he 'dominated' Carl Froch in the first fight say most. He had a 'broken hand say his camp. He's the 'S.O.G'

So, why the hell wont he come to the UK to make three times more than he does in the U.S to fight a guy he's already beaten is dominating fashion in front of an adoring crowd of blood thirsty scrapers?

The man had a real ego and is afraid, these are the only two reasons I can think of.

The travelling does come in to it though as he used jet lag as one of his excuses.

We all know that Ward beats Froch 364 days out of 365. Except Davide it appears.

hampo171 wrote:The travelling does come in to it though as he used jet lag as one of his excuses.

We all know that Ward beats Froch 364 days out of 365. Except Davide it appears.

He beats Froch 313 days out of 365 - (because he rests on sundays)

ShahenshahG wrote:

hampo171 wrote:The travelling does come in to it though as he used jet lag as one of his excuses.

We all know that Ward beats Froch 364 days out of 365. Except Davide it appears.

He beats Froch 313 days out of 365 - (because he rests on sundays)

haha that was funny.

[quote="hampo171"]The travelling does come in to it though as he used jet lag as one of his excuses.

We all know that Ward beats Froch 364 days out of 365. Except Davide it appears.[/quote

Jet lag is worse travelling east.... So in theory it's ward who had the jet lag problem to contend with.. If you can get jet lag on a three hour time difference. Of course, you could arrive early for the fight and eradicate the problem... Which, lets be honest, we know froch did anyway.

Maybe they should fight on the Fauklands, would that be put down as a UK fight? Froch would still have to travel further......I think

Froch destroys Ward in the UK. ........could be wrong and may get slated but im yet to be convinced by ward.

Never seen him in a trench so dont know how he would handle it, especially considering frochs improvement and desire in the fights after ward.

He hasn't had to go in to the trenches. Hard to believe Froch beats hi, certainly doesn't "destroy" him.

I think he does hampo. I think if he pressures him from the off with the crowd behind him.....you never know. It may be too much for ward. We have seen many champions in similar situations and come through.....apart from ward who appears like he wants to steer clear of any such scenario.

I hope the fight happens. Hearn has to offer ward the money. But it's all talk. Hearn knows that froch is not in ward's level. He already smacked him about once before and will get paid more for doing it again.

Exactly AZ. If I was ward id take it. Great money (probably more than ever before), improved reputation for taking on froch in his home town (which is pretty tough id imagine judging by kessler and bute), unifies SMW division, gets to travel abroad to negate peoples views about always fighting at home, an easy nights work (if we go off the first fight)......why would he not go across? ? Makes no sense not too. Then step up and take on the LHW division.

It will be his last fight I reckon. His next 3 fights will be against the Kesslers, Groves of the sport just to max out his bank account. Then he will get his final slapping by Ward and then give Ward his dues. At the minute he is going to make a clean fortune off dismissing the win for financial reasons. I dont agree with it and think its in bad taste and disrespectful but can see why hes doing it.

Ward was going after shot alcoholic middleweights who weren't really that good so a fight with Froch can surely be made on his behalf as well. What was that fight supposed to tell us?? Pavlik??

Aftet ward dishes out the beating many will claim froch was old.

What would happen if froch did the beating? Ward was over rated? No longer p4p pedigree?

mobilemaster8 wrote:What would happen if froch did the beating?

He would then wake up and have to change the bed sheets

mobilemaster8 wrote:What would happen if froch did the beating? Ward was over rated? No longer p4p pedigree?

Did you see the first fight? Ward dominated Froch so easily.

Froch would be 36/37 when they fight again whilst ward would be 29/30. No way Froch wins unless it is by a massive fluke.

Fluke or not....what if he does? Bute was supposed to win...

Clutching at straws there. Bute was favourite, but he hadn't already beaten froch comfortably. Personally, I thought bute was over-rated and fancied Carl's chances.

I do think home advantage, alters the dynamic enough to make the fight interesting, but it's hard to see it doing enough to bridge the gap.

Ward is different class and beats Froch every time.

Davidemore hasn't got the brains he was born with

The location is irrelevant here and I think its just excuses to play down Wards victory, Ward outclassed Froch. After watching the Ward fight you could argue Froch is a glorified brawler who has a granite chin which is the reason he is 2nd/3rd best in his weight class. Like a few have mentioned on here before Ward beats Froch anywhere and should not be dictated to, Adam made a fantastic comparison of the distances covered once it shows Ward travels aswell, that then got played down by the 'home country' jibe let alone hometown. For this fight to be even considered close on the cards Froch needs to win rounds which will never happen.

Froch fan but don't see how Froch beats Ward, Froch got totally outboxed and I thought he got bossed in the inside exchanges too.Ward looked stronger in every department.
Froch might fair better on home soil but he still loses.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:The location is irrelevant here and I think its just excuses to play down Wards victory, Ward outclassed Froch. After watching the Ward fight you could argue Froch is a glorified brawler who has a granite chin which is the reason he is 2nd/3rd best in his weight class. Like a few have mentioned on here before Ward beats Froch anywhere and should not be dictated to, Adam made a fantastic comparison of the distances covered once it shows Ward travels aswell, that then got played down by the 'home country' jibe let alone hometown. For this fight to be even considered close on the cards Froch needs to win rounds which will never happen.

Because distance is just one factor.

Being the home fighter means you get to sleep at home rather than ins ome hotel. You get to train at your own gym rather than someone else's gym. You get sparring partners you rely on. In the 1st Ward v Froch fight the crowd being American and supporting Ward was an advantage, also the refs make hometown decisions as we all know.

Distance in this case is a ridiculous factor. I can't believe it is actually being offered as an intelligent point.

An emore thread... That has 'stupid' in the title... And you're expecting intelligent debate?

I was talking to an all sports fan numpty from the military the other day (really oppinionated when it came to boxing but obviously a non-fighting gimp) and I really can't believe how patriotic/stupid some people are.

Richie Woodhall ??

When Breland beat Honey.........He was two rounds down on Woodhall's card.......

Richie does it out of perceived obligation but he know the crack, perhaps more than anyone when it comes down to it.

then he's a fraud..

can't believe i edited that post because of a comma then still got it wrong.

Andre Ward, when is he even fighting again?

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:The location is irrelevant here and I think its just excuses to play down Wards victory, Ward outclassed Froch. After watching the Ward fight you could argue Froch is a glorified brawler who has a granite chin which is the reason he is 2nd/3rd best in his weight class. Like a few have mentioned on here before Ward beats Froch anywhere and should not be dictated to, Adam made a fantastic comparison of the distances covered once it shows Ward travels aswell, that then got played down by the 'home country' jibe let alone hometown. For this fight to be even considered close on the cards Froch needs to win rounds which will never happen.

Because distance is just one factor.

Being the home fighter means you get to sleep at home rather than ins ome hotel. You get to train at your own gym rather than someone else's gym. You get sparring partners you rely on. In the 1st Ward v Froch fight the crowd being American and supporting Ward was an advantage, also the refs make hometown decisions as we all know.

At what time in the fight did the so called 'hometown ref' make any bias decision towards Ward? Also Froch did spar and apparently was well prepared for fight he used Peter Quillin and Edwin Rodriguez for sparring in preparation for Ward. Sleeping in hotels and climate change is just all excuses 'in boxing you have to make certain sacrifices' I could also say Froch may under perform because he was missing his family, these factors really do sound pathetic. What bearing do these factors have on the actual fight? Id agree if you said to me both fighters were evenly matched in skill and their was a controversial decision gifted or Froch had caught a virus due to the climate, but this was the 1st time they fought, Froch was healthy and simply the better man won. Froch also took his second part of camp to America for when he beat Johnson, so it's not like he was in unknown territory yet nobody questions how the hometown may have hindered him then, I think it may be due to fact he won a MD then! yet this time he lost so the hometown hindered him lol. Finally quote from Froch 'I’m currently weighing around 173lb and already have found my groove in training and am really up for this one. We know what approach we need for the Ward fight and am completely confident of our tactics to enable us to bring home the belts.'

davidemore wrote:Andre Ward, when is he even fighting again?

He's waiting until Kelly gets out of rehab and back on the wagon then its ON AGAIN!!!

Ive heard he is waiting for his chance to topple joe calzaghe so it could be a while guys

A rematch with Froch is going to be worth more than any other fight. All the trash talking will just raise media interest.

Do any of you people even understand the game. Ward's statement was a mix of let us fight and let us not, I'll fight where ever, but I'll only fight at home. I thought he would have had something better prepared. Froch was always going to call him out.

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:The location is irrelevant here and I think its just excuses to play down Wards victory, Ward outclassed Froch. After watching the Ward fight you could argue Froch is a glorified brawler who has a granite chin which is the reason he is 2nd/3rd best in his weight class. Like a few have mentioned on here before Ward beats Froch anywhere and should not be dictated to, Adam made a fantastic comparison of the distances covered once it shows Ward travels aswell, that then got played down by the 'home country' jibe let alone hometown. For this fight to be even considered close on the cards Froch needs to win rounds which will never happen.

Because distance is just one factor.

Being the home fighter means you get to sleep at home rather than ins ome hotel. You get to train at your own gym rather than someone else's gym. You get sparring partners you rely on. In the 1st Ward v Froch fight the crowd being American and supporting Ward was an advantage, also the refs make hometown decisions as we all know.

At what time in the fight did the so called 'hometown ref' make any bias decision towards Ward? Also Froch did spar and apparently was well prepared for fight he used Peter Quillin and Edwin Rodriguez for sparring in preparation for Ward. Sleeping in hotels and climate change is just all excuses 'in boxing you have to make certain sacrifices' I could also say Froch may under perform because he was missing his family, these factors really do sound pathetic. What bearing do these factors have on the actual fight? Id agree if you said to me both fighters were evenly matched in skill and their was a controversial decision gifted or Froch had caught a virus due to the climate, but this was the 1st time they fought, Froch was healthy and simply the better man won. Froch also took his second part of camp to America for when he beat Johnson, so it's not like he was in unknown territory yet nobody questions how the hometown may have hindered him then, I think it may be due to fact he won a MD then! yet this time he lost so the hometown hindered him lol. Finally quote from Froch 'I’m currently weighing around 173lb and already have found my groove in training and am really up for this one. We know what approach we need for the Ward fight and am completely confident of our tactics to enable us to bring home the belts.'

are yous eriously trying to argue that there is no such thing as home advantage?

A home advantage definitely happens sometimes, but it doesn't equate to one boxer outclassing and being better in every way than the other boxer ala ward v froch!!! Duh!

ian_jamsie wrote:A rematch with Froch is going to be worth more than any other fight. All the trash talking will just raise media interest.

Do any of you people even understand the game. Ward's statement was a mix of let us fight and let us not, I'll fight where ever, but I'll only fight at home. I thought he would have had something better prepared. Froch was always going to call him out.

Do you understand that Frochs management may not be keen on having Froch fight Ward again. Regardless of where this rematch takes this place, Hearn will be well aare of the risk Ward provides. A loss pretty much ends Frochs career as a commercial asset. As a money man Hearn should have little interest in risking Froch against Ward when he can cash in on other options. Hearn is not calling Ward out. He wants to postpone that fight.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

PPVxHOTTY wrote:The location is irrelevant here and I think its just excuses to play down Wards victory, Ward outclassed Froch. After watching the Ward fight you could argue Froch is a glorified brawler who has a granite chin which is the reason he is 2nd/3rd best in his weight class. Like a few have mentioned on here before Ward beats Froch anywhere and should not be dictated to, Adam made a fantastic comparison of the distances covered once it shows Ward travels aswell, that then got played down by the 'home country' jibe let alone hometown. For this fight to be even considered close on the cards Froch needs to win rounds which will never happen.

Because distance is just one factor.

Being the home fighter means you get to sleep at home rather than ins ome hotel. You get to train at your own gym rather than someone else's gym. You get sparring partners you rely on. In the 1st Ward v Froch fight the crowd being American and supporting Ward was an advantage, also the refs make hometown decisions as we all know.

At what time in the fight did the so called 'hometown ref' make any bias decision towards Ward? Also Froch did spar and apparently was well prepared for fight he used Peter Quillin and Edwin Rodriguez for sparring in preparation for Ward. Sleeping in hotels and climate change is just all excuses 'in boxing you have to make certain sacrifices' I could also say Froch may under perform because he was missing his family, these factors really do sound pathetic. What bearing do these factors have on the actual fight? Id agree if you said to me both fighters were evenly matched in skill and their was a controversial decision gifted or Froch had caught a virus due to the climate, but this was the 1st time they fought, Froch was healthy and simply the better man won. Froch also took his second part of camp to America for when he beat Johnson, so it's not like he was in unknown territory yet nobody questions how the hometown may have hindered him then, I think it may be due to fact he won a MD then! yet this time he lost so the hometown hindered him lol. Finally quote from Froch 'I’m currently weighing around 173lb and already have found my groove in training and am really up for this one. We know what approach we need for the Ward fight and am completely confident of our tactics to enable us to bring home the belts.'

are yous eriously trying to argue that there is no such thing as home advantage?

In soccer yes teams tend to have better records at home, in baseball their are different dimensions for each ball park. In boxing I don't believe in home advantage, in Denmark Kessler beat Froch with his constant pressure and being the aggressor, controlling the fight and hitting Froch with his hard shots, he won not because he was in Denmark. The rematch was won by Froch due to his abilities, controlling the fight, connecting his punches weaving Kesslers heavy hooks, winning the fight but not due to the fact the he was in the U.K. Ward dominated Froch bottom line and will do it again whether it be in Nottingham or London. If you can provide me any scientific or statistical evidence to support your claims of hometown advantage then please do so if not don't give a opinion to match your agenda when clearly ring smarts was the reason to victory.

Uk site, it's football not soccer please hotty!

There is no real science behind home advantage, beyond basic human nature. It's certainly more credible and provable in team sports. But its an entirely psychological issue that can effect both individuals and teams in different ways.

Generally, people are more settled in familiar environments and when given large vocal support... Testosterone levels are generally higher in home sportsmen (tribal, defending their patch etc).

A lot of sport takes place in the head, so you can't ignore it. But golfer's, tennis players etc, don't nevessarily do better at home... It varies between sports and the individuals within them.

The flip side is some fold under the pressure of expectation. Also, in an individual sport its more variable as it's down entirely to the mentality of just the 2 individuals concerned, rather than a team dynamic. In football studies have shown referees to be influenced by the crowd. Specific to boxing is history of judges being influenced to favour the home fighter... Again, not a given.

Does froch fight differently at home? He's certainly looked a more pumped, faster starter recently, though that might be tactical.

Does ward get affected by fighting in front of a partisan crowd in another country? We don't know, and Atlantic city is no benchmark for that.

Your argument's about the froch Kessler fight, imply that one just fought better on each occasion... Maybe there was a reason for that psychologically. Maybe Kessler pressed in Denmark, because he was fired up at home with a partisan crowd. Of course, maybe Kessler is just a step past his best now.

Having said all the above. Ward seems a pretty cool and confident customer.. I can't see him folding under the pressure... So ward would be clear favourite for the fight wherever it happened.

In a close fight between two pretty evenly matched fighters I could see home advantage playing a significant role.

But with Froch and Ward we already have a pretty good indicator of how they match up. Ward was superior last time they fought. And over the course of their respective careers ard has consistently displayed a higher level of ability. When he wins he often does so showing very littel weaknesses available to be exploited, especially to someone of Frochs skillset. When Froch ins you can still generally see weaknesses. In practically all of his big wins aside from Abraham maybe, he has still looked beatable.

There is certainly a fair argument to say he is a tougher prospect in the UK for Ward but Im not sure theres enough evidence to make a stong case for him. It seems to be based more around Ward crumbling under a hostile crowd than Froch finding the neccessary ability to win.

Adonis won yesterday. I'd say Ward needs Frocho a little less, now. Adonis sells out in Canada, and its of a travel.

Agree with the Adonis statement. A ward vs Adonis fight would be decent draw.