Heavyweight prediction for 12 months time?

Things are hotting up in the division again so looking at 12 months time how do things shape up? We have a good new crop of heavyweights coming through so I think the next 12 months will see the Klitschko brothers hanging onto to their titles as long as possibly but inneviteably retiring. I think they will try avoid the challenge from the younger guys as long as possible but either they will have to fight them and lose or else they will step aside and retire. Therefore I think there will be a battle at the top between the likes of Fury, Wilder, Price and maybe Haye looking to get back into the mix if he pull off a win against Fury. I think Wilder looks to be the best so far but fights between these four guys would really be major fights. In 12 months I hope to see Wilder v Fury for the top spot. If Fury loses to Haye then Haye v Wilder for the top spot would be huge as both guys are brash and cocky. Fury could then face Price which would be another great prospect. There will be alot of change in the next 12 months now to look forward to.

The Klitschko brothers have been fine pros and worthy champions, but I really won't be sad to see the back of them. I'm not sure if this crop have it in them to dethrone the brothers, but Wilder is the one I'd back to do it if any. He remains untested but is clearly an athletic specimen with the physical dimensions of a modern heavy. Obviously he could come undone with his first real test, but I remain hopeful for his potential.

Wilder would be my pick also. I think himself and Fury will be the future stars of the division. I think the Klitschko brothers have been denying them the opportunity to really reach the top but they are old men now in boxing terms and in 12 months time I think there will be new heavyweights fighting it out for the top spot either with or without the Klitschkos. There is also Anthony Joshua who if he turns professional will reach the top and could be a great addition.

In what way have Wlad and Vitali denied Wilder and Fury the opportunity to reach the top?

Don't bite super...

superflyweight wrote:In what way have Wlad and Vitali denied Wilder and Fury the opportunity to reach the top?

They havent challenged them to a match which they should be doing. I dont buy this stuff that Fury or Wilder have to fight all these other guys first to fight the Klitschko brothers. The Klitschkos should be facing them now. I think the Klitschkos know that their time is coming to an end in boxing and they are just going to hang on as long as possible without facing the new crop of heavyweights. If you were to say who the best heavyweights in the world are now irrespective of who is champion I would say Wilder is now with Fury second. But the Klitschkos wont match them so they dont have the opportunity to reach the top.

Why is Tyson Fury in this post?

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Why is Tyson Fury in this post?

We're an equal opportunity forum - why shouldn't Tyson Fury be allowed to post you bigot.

I guess.

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superflyweight wrote:In what way have Wlad and Vitali denied Wilder and Fury the opportunity to reach the top?

winchester wrote:

They havent challenged them to a match which they should be doing. I dont buy this stuff that Fury or Wilder have to fight all these other guys first to fight the Klitschko brothers.

Are you just a massive WUM? Wilder has beaten 1 person who I know the name of, Audley harrisson. Do you really think that after 1 fight against harrison he deserves a shot at a world championship?

I think Wilder would beat everyone else in the division right now. Hes too big, powerful and aggressive for the Klitschkos.

T'is  a strange old world where the champions have to challenge the contenders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY

winchester wrote:I think Wilder would beat everyone else in the division right now. Hes too big, powerful and aggressive for the Klitschkos.

based on what? 1 fight against Audley harrisson?

ShahenshahG wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY

haha yes ths fight always makes me laugh.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:I think Wilder would beat everyone else in the division right now. Hes too big, powerful and aggressive for the Klitschkos.

based on what? 1 fight against Audley harrisson?

Based on what I have watched from him and the Klitschkos. Hes just bigger, better, younger and more powerful. His style is aggressive and he goes looking for the knock out. The Klitschkos style would not work against him.

Rowley wrote:T'is  a strange old world where the champions have to challenge the contenders.

The champion should take on the biggest challenges. The last guy Wladimir Klitschko fought was hopeless. Vitali Klitschko fought Chisora who has been beaten by Haye and Fury. Fury and Wilder are far better than the likes of those guys. You cant say that they should be made box ultiple other guys to get an opportunity when the Klitschkos are fighting hopeless sparring partners or opponents that Fury has beaten already. Thats just an excuse. I think the truth is that the Klitschkos dont want to face them and are determined to hang onto their time at the top as long as possible.

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:I think Wilder would beat everyone else in the division right now. Hes too big, powerful and aggressive for the Klitschkos.

based on what? 1 fight against Audley harrisson?

Based on what I have watched from him and the Klitschkos. Hes just bigger, better, younger and more powerful. His style is aggressive and he goes looking for the knock out. The Klitschkos style would not work against him.

tell me the fights, because everyone can look good against tomato cans. so tell me the fights.

In olden days there used to be this thing in boxing called title eliminators,you used to fight your way up the rankings by fighting top 10 fighters,then low and behold you became number 1 mandatory challenger by fighting and winning an eliminator giving you the right to fight the champion.

But perhaps the new modern way is better knock out a couple of journeymen then demand a world title fight and claim the champion is running scared.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:I think Wilder would beat everyone else in the division right now. Hes too big, powerful and aggressive for the Klitschkos.

based on what? 1 fight against Audley harrisson?

Based on what I have watched from him and the Klitschkos. Hes just bigger, better, younger and more powerful. His style is aggressive and he goes looking for the knock out. The Klitschkos style would not work against him.

tell me the fights, because everyone can look good against tomato cans. so tell me the fights.

The Klitschkos dont look half as good. The last guy Wladimir Klitschko fought was atrocious and he still took an age to beat him. Wilder would have knocked that guy in one round. Vitali Klitschko fought Chisora and looked very average. Wilder would knock Chisora out quite easily. Hes just better than the Klitschkos.

b-ware striverne who just beat arrerola in a great bout is the mandatory  to vitali, and i'd pick him to beat anyone but wlad or povetkin, and he has more than a punchers chance with them too. he went from a rugged big puncher to fairly skilled boxer. his chin and power as well as his ability to come on strong at the end of fights makes me think he is the one to watch.

i also think mike perez could be a huge force at HW if only he could get his career of the ground.


note to gman: that dream age is a lie, boxing has never worked that way. at least most of the racism and gangsters don't dictate who fights who these days.

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:I think Wilder would beat everyone else in the division right now. Hes too big, powerful and aggressive for the Klitschkos.

based on what? 1 fight against Audley harrisson?

Based on what I have watched from him and the Klitschkos. Hes just bigger, better, younger and more powerful. His style is aggressive and he goes looking for the knock out. The Klitschkos style would not work against him.

tell me the fights, because everyone can look good against tomato cans. so tell me the fights.

The Klitschkos dont look half as good. The last guy Wladimir Klitschko fought was atrocious and he still took an age to beat him. Wilder would have knocked that guy in one round. Vitali Klitschko fought Chisora and looked very average. Wilder would knock Chisora out quite easily. Hes just better than the Klitschkos.

Tell me the names of the fights that wilder has looked good in.

audley was the first person he has agressive against, normally he fights like audley does.

eddyfightfan wrote:audley was the first person he has agressive against, normally he fights like audley does.

Audley was his toughest opponent, (name wise) so it is amazing that winchester believes Wilder is the best HW boxer in the world based on him beating tomato cans and Audley Harrison.

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:I think Wilder would beat everyone else in the division right now. Hes too big, powerful and aggressive for the Klitschkos.

based on what? 1 fight against Audley harrisson?

Based on what I have watched from him and the Klitschkos. Hes just bigger, better, younger and more powerful. His style is aggressive and he goes looking for the knock out. The Klitschkos style would not work against him.

you do realise Vitali Klitschko is 6ft 8 and 247lbs whilst wilder is 6ft 7 and 224lbs so Vitali Klitschko is bigger.

Doesnt really matter. I dont give Vitali Klitschko much chance at all of beating Wilder. Hes ancient.

Doesn't matter how big a fighter is if he can't take a clout on the chin, and one thing we do know about Vitali is he has a decent chin.Wilder as yet to be hit by a world class heavy so only time will tell.Its how good the fighter is not how tall or how much he weighs.

If we are talking height and weight winning fights, then Ali and Louis wouldn't have stood a chance according to this theory.

Nico the gman wrote:Doesn't matter how big a fighter is if he can't take a clout on the chin, and one thing we do know about Vitali is he has a decent chin.Wilder as yet to be hit by a world class heavy so only time will tell.Its how good the fighter is not how tall or how much he weighs.

If we are talking height and weight winning fights, then Ali and Louis wouldn't have stood a chance according to this theory.

Size can play a big part. Wladimir Klitschko beat Haye because he was alot bigger than him. In Tyson Furys last fight he was able to use his size to bully around the smaller man.

I dont think either Klitschko has a great chin but this is heavyweight boxing where one punch can knock a fighter out. With the kind of power and aggressiveness Wilder has I think he would knock out both of the Klitschko brothers.

Wlad and Vitali need to grow a pair........

0- 12 months time -Wlad is still champ. Haye beats Fury. Price beats Thomson. Banks beats Mitchell (again).

12- 24 months - Haye loses to Wlad in a rematch and immediately retires (for good). Price fights Fury and wins. Wilder beats Banks.

24 - 36 months - Wlad retires. Wilder becomes champ.

winchester wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:Doesn't matter how big a fighter is if he can't take a clout on the chin, and one thing we do know about Vitali is he has a decent chin.Wilder as yet to be hit by a world class heavy so only time will tell.Its how good the fighter is not how tall or how much he weighs.

If we are talking height and weight winning fights, then Ali and Louis wouldn't have stood a chance according to this theory.

Size can play a big part. Wladimir Klitschko beat Haye because he was alot bigger than him. In Tyson Furys last fight he was able to use his size to bully around the smaller man.

I dont think either Klitschko has a great chin but this is heavyweight boxing where one punch can knock a fighter out. With the kind of power and aggressiveness Wilder has I think he would knock out both of the Klitschko brothers.

you still haven't named these fights he has looked great in. Please do say.

winchester wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:Doesn't matter how big a fighter is if he can't take a clout on the chin, and one thing we do know about Vitali is he has a decent chin.Wilder as yet to be hit by a world class heavy so only time will tell.Its how good the fighter is not how tall or how much he weighs.

If we are talking height and weight winning fights, then Ali and Louis wouldn't have stood a chance according to this theory.

Size can play a big part. Wladimir Klitschko beat Haye because he was alot bigger than him. In Tyson Furys last fight he was able to use his size to bully around the smaller man.

I dont think either Klitschko has a great chin but this is heavyweight boxing where one punch can knock a fighter out. With the kind of power and aggressiveness Wilder has I think he would knock out both of the Klitschko brothers.

you really have no clue if you think vitali has no chin.

Anyway tell me these fights wilder has looked so great in?

CS, will you stop bringing facts into the argument. You know it just confuses winny and he ends up in a repetative loop.

Lumbering Jack wrote:"Don't bite super..."

Yeah, either a mental case or a rubbish WUM so not worth it,

bhb001 wrote:CS, will you stop bringing facts into the argument. You know it just confuses winny and he ends up in a repetative loop.

haha so true.

Wladimir and Vitali are both bigger than Wilder mass wise, but to be fair I think Vitali is 6'7 not 6'8 so Wilder at least matches up to him height wise. We can't really argue that the Klitschko's haven't faced their biggest challenges (which have been fairly meagre, to be honest) but the fight against pianeta shouldn't be defended. No-one should be expected to pay to watch a man pummel his sparring partner.

Wilder is his sparring partner as well SR

sittingringside wrote:Wladimir and Vitali are both bigger than Wilder mass wise, but to be fair I think Vitali is 6'7 not 6'8 so Wilder at least matches up to him height wise. We can't really argue that the Klitschko's haven't faced their biggest challenges (which have been fairly meagre, to be honest) but the fight against pianeta shouldn't be defended. No-one should be expected to pay to watch a man pummel his sparring partner.

Yea as Shah said Wilder is his sparring partner as well.

Also It says Vitali is 6ft 8 on his profile and on the fight night physical attributes by broadcasting stations.

Yes, Wilder is his sparring partner, and if they fought at present it would be equally indefensible. I should have been clearer, the problem for me is not that the two have sparred previously (as this is not uncommon) but the fact that this engagement was less than a year previously. To be honest, I don't think Wilder will be ready for a Klitschko fight within 12 months, my hope is that within that time he might develop into a credible challenger.

With regards to Vitali's height, looking at further sources gives his height as anywhere between 6'7 and 6'8 so I'm happy not to quibble. He is very tall indeed.

Vitali needs to grow a pair..