Ashes second test, Lords, continued.

Please continue here guys.

Bresnan out, bairstow to speed up innings now

Maybe we should give Bell the chance at getting a 3rd ton on the bounce?

Lots of time left in this game so I think Bell is the right man t be out there now.

Big applause for Bresnan and a brilliant contribution.  

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=7362;type=series

Ian Bell far out ahead in the race for most runs. Stuart Broad is 2nd!

BestoftheBres trundles his way to 38

Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2013/engine/current/match/593504.html

2/74 at over 4 an over. Finn's statistics in a CC game against Sussex. Not very good, Steven.

I HATE when threads get locked JUST at the moment I post a reply.  

trebellbobaggins wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:Lead passes the 350 mark. Another 100 should do it.

Slow and steady as she goes...

with Bell, Bairstow and the rest to come you could even hope for another 150 (or is that greedy?).

Not so much greedy as rather pointless.

Australia aren't going to be able to chase 450 - let alone 600, so simply accumulating runs for the sake of it, seems like a waste of time.

Plus the Aussies may simply try to bat for a draw if we leave it too long. We're scoring very slowly at the moment and it could take us the rest of the day to get the lead we want.

I'd prefer to have plenty of time in my pocket in case of some unexpected resistance.

Tbf Duty he does have both centuries scored in this series

GSC wrote:BestoftheBres trundles his way to 38

Thats another good name...I notice you haven't changed yours yet.

Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating

TB was a slow pitch.

Pattinson struggled with his line so slowed it down I guess

He didn't get a fifer

there is one thing to consider duty- if let em in on this track early then they will have much easier conditions to bat in than day 4 or 5- basically up the rate slightly- hit 500 and stick them in at 6:00pm

dyrewolfe wrote:I HATE when threads get locked JUST at the moment I post a reply.  

trebellbobaggins wrote:
   

dyrewolfe wrote:Lead passes the 350 mark. Another 100 should do it.

   Slow and steady as she goes...

with Bell, Bairstow and the rest to come you could even hope for another 150 (or is that greedy?).

Not so much greedy as rather pointless.

Australia aren't going to be able to chase 450 - let alone 600, so simply accumulating runs for the sake of it, seems like a waste of time.

Plus the Aussies may simply try to bat for a draw if we leave it too long. We're scoring very slowly at the moment and it could take us the rest of the day to get the lead we want.

I'd prefer to have plenty of time in my pocket in case of some unexpected resistance.

It's not pointless. The match is over as a contest. Australia will not chase 350 and won't bat 2 days for a draw. The only thing for England to do now is run them ragged in the field and trample any bit of spirit they have left well into the dirt. That might sound cruel, but that 5-0 was only 6 years ago.

What about

Stop, Trundle Time

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating

Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

GSC wrote:He didn't get a fifer

Yeah the 1st Test

liverbnz wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:I HATE when threads get locked JUST at the moment I post a reply.  

trebellbobaggins wrote:
   

dyrewolfe wrote:Lead passes the 350 mark. Another 100 should do it.

   Slow and steady as she goes...

with Bell, Bairstow and the rest to come you could even hope for another 150 (or is that greedy?).

Not so much greedy as rather pointless.

Australia aren't going to be able to chase 450 - let alone 600, so simply accumulating runs for the sake of it, seems like a waste of time.

Plus the Aussies may simply try to bat for a draw if we leave it too long. We're scoring very slowly at the moment and it could take us the rest of the day to get the lead we want.

I'd prefer to have plenty of time in my pocket in case of some unexpected resistance.

It's not pointless. The match is over as a contest. Australia will not chase 350 and won't bat 2 days for a draw. The only thing for England to do now is run them ragged in the field and trample any bit of spirit they have left well into the dirt. That might sound cruel, but that 5-0 was only 6 years ago.

Cook, Bell, Pietersen, and Anderson probably remember it well! No mercy.

Good accurate stuff here for Harris. Keeping it nice and tight and not allowing England to get away too quick. If England can keep these two together till tea, they can then push on afterwards and put them in for the last half hour/40 mins of the day. Hopefully pick up a wicket or two.

Gerry SA wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating

Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

maths isn't your strong point is it!

dyrewolfe wrote:I HATE when threads get locked JUST at the moment I post a reply.  

Not so much greedy as rather pointless.

Australia aren't going to be able to chase 450 - let alone 600, so simply accumulating runs for the sake of it, seems like a waste of time.

Plus the Aussies may simply try to bat for a draw if we leave it too long. We're scoring very slowly at the moment and it could take us the rest of the day to get the lead we want.

I'd prefer to have plenty of time in my pocket in case of some unexpected resistance.

 oops. .I think I worded that badly.  I meant 150 from here.

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating

Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

maths isn't your strong point is it!

  

Gerry SA wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating

Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

maths isn't your strong point is it!

  

Oh dear!!

lesson for you.

on average lets say for the sake of it they are 5% down. lets say they averaged 89 in india and 85 here. if india aveargaed 82 in india going by my comment(calibaration out) they would average 78. not in the 60- 70s!!!

even if the difference is more like 10% out(which it isnt) india would still be around the 74 mark based on my comment!!

Go on young Joe

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating

Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

maths isn't your strong point is it!

  

Oh dear!!

lesson for you.

on average lets say for the sake of it they are 5% down. lets say they averaged 89 in india and 85 here. if india aveargaed 82 in india going by my comment(calibaration out) they would average 78. not in the 60- 70s!!!

even if the difference is more like 10% out(which it isnt) india would still be around the 74 mark based on my comment!!

It was sarcasm... Never mind...

Pattinson has struggled to maintain his accuracy right from the word go in this series, and I feel perhaps he has cut down on his pace to try and address that. However, I have to say he hasn't been quite successful that way either.

So Steve Smith takes a catch, but the third umpire says its a bump ball.

Umpiring standards are very ordinary these days.

Oh great, more umpiring controversy.

The truth is the calibration may be out or may not be.

Or there is something about the english weather and conditions which make it a lot harder to bowl fast. Everyone boals slower here and its not just the aussies, that or our calibration is out or others are!

Well, well, well...

More controversy and Bell is lucky to still be there. Looked a catch but the review says otherwise.

That was close.

I don't think it's too easy out there so anything 450+ looks a nice total if you can set it.

Thought that was a catch to be honest

The speedguns used in the IPL were funny and ones showed Morne Morcle clocking close to 180 KPH. However the ones used in the tests were much better, and Pattinson actually was bowling pretty sharp. It was not just in India, when India toured Australia during his debut series, and then later in the West Indies, he seemed to bowl a little bit quicker than what he has managed here in this series so far.

Well catch or not this one is immaterial. It won't stop it being brought up and probably rightly so- Is this another crazy decision by the tv umps??

Commentators are saying part of the problem is that TV cameras tend to foreshorten pictures and don't give the depth of field the human eye has.

Umpire should have called it correctly in the first place.

Not that the decision is likely to have any bearing on the final outcome of this game. Hope thats of some consolation to Australia.

Bell certainly luck to be still there!. The umpiring standards in this series seem to be collapsing much quicker than the Australian batting here. Really mediocre. Tony Hill was pathetic in the recent Zimbabwe Bangladesh, his umpiring was bordering on the obnoxious there, and as a sign of recognition of that, the ICC promoted him to the elite panel, and the game has become poorer for that stupid decision from the ICC.

Falling asleep here, very dull day of cricket so far. This is where you need KP still to be in so he can attacking later on in the day.

Liam tbh these should actually start attacking at some point. there is no reason to hang about any more. But then I can understand why root is- He wants his first opening ton! and fair play

I don't mind us playing slow up until tea, wear them down, keep these two in, let Root get to his hundred. Then after tea we can go, then Bairstow and Prior, Broad/Swann could come in and have a swing

I was hoping India's excellent use of the DRS during the CT might convince a few more people to go for the system. But these high-profile howlers has given further ground to those who say no. Perhaps its just a matter of perception, but it will be very difficult to move the BCCI on this issue for some time now. Unfortunately, its some horrendous umpiring that is creating more trouble for the UDRS rather than technology itself, though there is significant room for improvement there as well.

I don't mind Root playing his normal game to get a hundred, he should imo. Bell got his hundred, he should be taking the pressure off root and keep the scoreboard ticking over.

TBH I don't really understand any arguments against DRS this series- I can see how it could be improved but never scraped. It has been the umpiring not the DRS system

The 150 up for England. Perhaps they can press on a bit more.

Hopefully Root and Bell will start to swing their bats more, once Joe gets his ton.

150 up for England and the lead is 383. Would hope we declare with another 70 or so on the board.

mystiroakey wrote:TBH I don't really understand any arguments against DRS this series- I can see how it could be improved but never scraped. It has been the umpiring not the DRS system

Exactly!

And the use (or misuse) of the review system. Use it well and you profit. Use it poorly and you pay for it.

Bell starting to get a move on. Would make for a bit more exciting cricket. Not that I have anything against grinding the opposition down kind of an approach, but England started off in a massively advantageous position, then slipped a bit and recovered. Now they can press on a bit to completely outplay the Australians here.

Cracking boundary from Root takes him into the Nervous 90s.

Smith looks alot better than agar in the bowling stakes tbh!