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Post by Guest Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:27 am

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
                          - Gerard Butler as Leonidas in 300

This is probably my favourite quote from the film 300.  Delivery is everything and Butler weaves just enough feeling into the line to make it believable.  I guess an actor is at the top of their game when they get this right; too much or too little emotion and the line just won't sit right with the audience.  I guess 300, like the epic Gladiator, benefits from a strong script, so that in itself will motivate the actors to produce their best work.

On the flipside, I recently caught a glimpse of a trailer for Gravity.  The special effects look very good, but I enjoyed them more with the sound muted.  This was because, in my opinion, the lines didn't sit well with the action - I felt the emotion was being overplayed in an almost robotic fashion.

Which quotes stand out for you simply because of the way they were excellently delivered?  Do you feel any scripts suffered because of an over or underplaying of emotion?  Conversely, was a weaker script bolstered by good acting?

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Post by superflyweight Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:20 am

Richard Dreyfuss' final lines in Stand By Me. Very understated but never fails to tug at the heart strings.

Robert Shaw delivering the USS Indianappolis soliliquy in Jaws. Perfect delivery!

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:30 am

''You have offended my family, and you have offended the shoalin temple'' -

- Bruce Lee Enter the Dragon -

''Never take your eyes of your opponent, even when you bow''

- Bruce Lee Enter the Dragon -

''You f**k with the bull, you get the horns''

- Nicolas Cage Kiss of Death

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Post by Galted Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:28 pm

Agree with superflyweight's choices.

One line I immediately thought of was Clarence's "f*** you" as he shoots Drexel in True Romance, not the most profound line but it was bursting with anger and disrespect and the timing was perfect.

The whole maniacal speech when Dionna humiliates Vinny in Summer of Sam with Dancing Queen playing is another, sheer genius.

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Post by Il Gialloblu Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:54 pm

But seriously, this one. Not for Richard's threats but for the way the confidence drains out of Sonny.
 
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Post by bhb001 Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:25 pm

There is the "I'm Godzilla, you're Tokoyo" from Things to do in Denver when you're dead, which I always thought was short and to the point!

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Post by superflyweight Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:30 pm

Paddy Considine is terrifyingly intense in Dead Man's Shoes.

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Post by bhb001 Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:31 pm

To true. Superb performance

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Post by Shot 21 LCFC Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:09 am

"Ive had it with these mutherf*cking snakes on this mutherf*cking plane!!!"

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Post by Rowley Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:14 am

God bless to everyone who has mentioned Dead Mans Shoes. Crackign film and brilliant performance from Considine. I like the scene where he is at his brothers grave side in his para uniform. His face has it written all over it that this is not over and there will be consequences, there are as well.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:30 am

Wesley Snipes - Blade 2 or 3 can't remember

''Obviously they do not know WHOM they are f**king with''

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:51 am

Gonna have to give Dead Man's Shoes another go. I've watched it and am very familiar with all the lines and scenes people are referring to but it didn't seem to make as much of an impact on me as it has the reat of you.

Be nice to see if it's better second time round...also be nice to get chance to watch something other than In the f*****g Night Garden (not sure that's the original CBeebies title though)

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Post by Rowley Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:00 am

I am a little biased Dave as I am a big Shane Meadows fan. Always loved the bloke but when he made a documentary on the Stone Roses last year he basically became beyond any criticism in my eyes. Most people rightly rave about This is England or Dead Mans Shoes but for those that have not seen it they could do worse than watch A Room for Romeo Brass. Another top drawer performance from Considine in that one.

As an aside Considine is a massive boxing fan, saw an interview with him where he was asked what he does to relax his answer was go to the loo with a copy of Boxing News. That is pretty much exactly what I do, top man.

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Post by sodhat Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:09 am

Shot 21 LCFC wrote:"Ive had it with these mutherf*cking snakes on this mutherf*cking plane!!!"

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Have you ever seen the edited version of that line?

"I've had it with these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday to Friday plane!"

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Post by guildfordbat Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:57 am

A film which had massive impact at the time was ''I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang'' from the early 1930s. A sizeable part of that impact was due to the haunting and soul destroying last line delivered by the ever excellent Paul Muni.

For those with a cinema interest beyond just latest releases, I would highly recommend the film and also much of Muni's work (six times a Best Actor nominee although only once a winner).

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:04 am

guildfordbat wrote:A film which had massive impact at the time was ''I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang'' from the early 1930s. A sizeable part of that impact was due to the haunting and soul destroying last line delivered by the ever excellent Paul Muni.

For those with a cinema interest beyond just latest releases, I would highly recommend the film and also much of Muni's work (six times a Best Actor nominee although only once a winner).

''I steal'' - whats so haunting and soul destroying about that.


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Post by Rowley Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:04 am

Muni was excellent in the original Scarface guildford. As you say a fine actor.

On the subject of older films that fall well into this category Brando's "could have been a contender" speech from on the waterfront is absolutely excellent, so much frustration and pent up resentment. Recently read the book and when I got to that line I could see Brando delivering it clear as day.

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Post by guildfordbat Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:13 am

Jeff - yes, Brando's speech from 'On the Waterfront' is a perfect example from older films.

Onetwoforever - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you haven't seen the film.

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Post by Rowley Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:16 am

Also love the closing scene of the Hustler where Minnesota Fats concedes defeat. Newman was never better than in that film. And there is a cameo from Jake La Motta to keep us boxing geeks happy.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:23 am

Godfather 2 -
I know it was you Fredo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart!

My all time fav for direct no messing impact is from Once upon a time in the West opening scene. 3 gunslingers waiting for Charles Bronson at a dusty old train station

Harmonica - And Frank?
Snaky - Frank sent us
Harmonica - Did you bring a horse for me?
Snaky - Well......looks like were....
(laughs)
Snaky - Looks like we're shy 1 horse
Harmonica - You brought two too many

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Post by Rowley Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:28 am

My favourite scene from the Godfather two is where Michael meets Fredo in the boathouse and tells him he means nothing to him now and then basically tells Al Neri to get rid of him once their mother dies. Absolutely chilling acting and writing.

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Post by Shot 21 LCFC Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:31 am

sodhat wrote:
Shot 21 LCFC wrote:"Ive had it with these mutherf*cking snakes on this mutherf*cking plane!!!"

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Have you ever seen the edited version of that line?

"I've had it with these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday to Friday plane!"

Luckily not or I would have definately put the remote through the TV screen...

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:42 am

The faux piety and arrogance in Ralph Fiennes as Amon Goethe in Schindler's List when he's looking in the mirror and saying "I pardon you" as he develops a Christ complex juxtoposed with him coming to his "senses" and shooting the boy who couldn't clean his bath properly

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:17 am

Ralph Fiennes was'nt in Schindlers list your talking about The patient Englishman film.

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Post by Galted Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:43 am

Rowley wrote:I am a little biased Dave as I am a big Shane Meadows fan. Always loved the bloke but when he made a documentary on the Stone Roses last year he basically became beyond any criticism in my eyes. Most people rightly rave about This is England or Dead Mans Shoes but for those that have not seen it they could do worse than watch A Room for Romeo Brass. Another top drawer performance from Considine in that one.

As an aside Considine is a massive boxing fan, saw an interview with him where he was asked what he does to relax his answer was go to the loo with a copy of Boxing News. That is pretty much exactly what I do, top man.
 
He was quite a scary b'stard in Romeo Brass, would rather live next door to his Dead Man's Shoes character than Morell.

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Post by superflyweight Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:27 am

Rowley wrote:God bless to everyone who has mentioned Dead Mans Shoes. Crackign film and brilliant performance from Considine. I like the scene where he is at his brothers grave side in his para uniform. His face has it written all over it that this is not over and there will be consequences, there are as well.

Spoiler alert!

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Post by kingraf Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:32 am

Eddie Murphy (when he was still funny), could translate a random selection of words into comedy gold.
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Post by Rowley Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:52 am

superflyweight wrote:
Rowley wrote:God bless to everyone who has mentioned Dead Mans Shoes. Crackign film and brilliant performance from Considine. I like the scene where he is at his brothers grave side in his para uniform. His face has it written all over it that this is not over and there will be consequences, there are as well.

Spoiler alert!

To be honest superfly anyone who has not seen Dead Mans Shoes by now does not deserve any kind of consideration

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Post by Stella Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:18 am

I haven't seen it, but I'm gonna.
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Post by Rowley Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:36 am

Sorry Stella, please try and forget anything I may have said about the film thus far on the thread, apart from the bits about it being brilliant.

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Post by bhb001 Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:00 am

Stella, make the effort. The scene in the pub where his demeanour suddenly changes is a real whoa moment.

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Post by ShahenshahG Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:30 am

The scene where the woman is shaving her vagina and the kid in the opposite house is charging his peers 5 dollars for a view of her room is probably the greatest scene in history Stella

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Post by Galted Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:59 am

I like the scene with the talking kittens, they're ever so cute.

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Post by Stella Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:00 am

Watching it now on you tube. The part where he says 'you ya c.nt' made me jump. What a woos.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:18 pm

"I've seen things you people can only dream of....
attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion....
I watched c-gleams glitter in the dark near the tannhauser gate....
All these moments will be lost like a teardrop in the rain
Time to die.............."

Very poignant..........and moving...

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Post by Adam D Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:40 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"I've seen things you people can only dream of....
attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion....
I watched c-gleams glitter in the dark near the tannhauser gate....
All these moments will be lost like a teardrop in the rain
Time to die.............."

Very poignant..........and moving...

Rutger Hauers second best speech but brilliant none the less.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:09 pm

Some men get the world...and some men get ex-hookers and a trip to Arizona..

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:09 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Ralph Fiennes was'nt in Schindlers list your talking about The patient Englishman film.
You need to be quiet and watch the film, then watch the credits...then be quiet again...idiot! The man received an oscar nomination for his role!

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:22 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"I've seen things you people can only dream of....
attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion....
I watched c-gleams glitter in the dark near the tannhauser gate....
All these moments will be lost like a teardrop in the rain
Time to die.............."

Very poignant..........and moving...

Not really as it was all made up tosh.

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Post by Adam D Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:09 pm

His speech from Hobo with a Shotgun is better in my opinion (and no, I am not joking - its a thing of beauty/ amazement)

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:57 pm

Adam D wrote:His speech from Hobo with a Shotgun is better in my opinion (and no, I am not joking - its a thing of beauty/ amazement)
Having seen "MACHETE" I was hoping for good things from "HOBO..." but sadly it was absolute tosh. I'd go as far as to say that it was on a par with "Planet Terror" for

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:01 pm

MACHETE was poor imo.

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:33 am

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:MACHETE was poor imo.
That's all that needs to be said really
Perhaps if Ralph Fiennes was in it, eh? picard 

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:44 am

DAVE667 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:MACHETE was poor imo.
That's all that needs to be said really
Perhaps if Ralph Fiennes was in it, eh? picard 

Don't get me wrong its the type of movie that if I had a brain I could leave it at home and enjoy watching Machete but the acting was second rate.

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:51 am

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:MACHETE was poor imo.
That's all that needs to be said really
Perhaps if Ralph Fiennes was in it, eh? picard 

Don't get me wrong its the type of movie that if I had a brain I could leave it at home and enjoy watching Machete but the acting was second rate.
It's got Danny Trejo in it FFS! What did you expect, Hamlet?

if I had a brain I could leave it at home
Seems to me that you do it every time you log on here!

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Post by guildfordbat Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:55 pm

There's a brief reference to another 1930s classic on the current ''American v British Gangster Films'' thread - Angels With Dirty Faces.

That reminded me of Jimmy Cagney's closing scene in which he continues to bamboozle the audience eighty years on.

SPOILER
About to go to the electric chair, Cagney delivers an emotion packed plea as he begs for mercy and leaves viewers unsure as to whether he is about to die ''yellow'' or is heroically feigning cowardice so as to encourage younger others towards the right path.

Cagney was a remarkably versatile actor. Besides the gangster movies for which he is best remembered, he was also a fine song and dance man as in his Oscar winning performance in Yankee Doodle Dandy (albeit not my type of film).

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Post by Rowley Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:08 pm

A cricket fan and a cagney fan. You're a man of some tastes guildford. If you express any kind of love for fairly obscure boxers from the early 20th century and I may well be moving in with you.

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Post by guildfordbat Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:26 pm

Rowley wrote:A cricket fan and a cagney fan. You're a man of some tastes guildford. If you express any kind of love for fairly obscure boxers from the early 20th century and I may well be moving in with you.
Oh Jeff - if only you had said obscure footballers from the early 20th century, a PM inviting you to move in would be on its way now! My great uncle was a journeyman professional in both England and Scotland during the 1920s and early '30s. The boxers I've heard of from that time (Dempsey, Robinson) could hardly be called ''fairly obscure''. Guess some things are not to be.

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Post by Rowley Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:52 pm

To be fair guildford we have people on the boxing boards for who the name Dempsey is obscure so don't do yourself too great a disservice.

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