Interesting words from Mr Ward.

Andre Ward speaks out on...

GGG

GGG not wanting to face him right now....

Wants to see GGG v Kid Chocolate

Martinez still number 1 in middleweight division....

Wants to return 28 September.....

Contract squabbles with Dan Goosman....

Facing Chavez jnr makes sense....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG7AJKZaBbA

Martinez is number 1..........Has a wealth of victories behind him.....

Macklin too............

GGG gets owned by Ward who is too everything for him..........Big mistake to take Andre on.......

Macklin was ordinary...Ward shows angles, footwork and moves GGG has only read about..

Looks good GGG but Macklin doesn't prove anything..

Eh? What has Macklin got to do with anything, have I missed something?

Ward is in a tricky position atm, just too good for anyone it seems and, unlike similarly position Floyd, he's just not a draw so people won't even go in with him just for the payday.

Macklin has fought both of them...Or are you stupid..

Think you're on to something onetwo. Andre ward is interesting. He needs to ditch the son of god thing and reinvent himself as 'Andre interesting ward'. Spitting image did wonders for Steve Davis' profile back in the 80's.

He could take one step further and be Andre ward 'interesting.... Very interesting'. Buffer could read that out in the manner of Barry Davis.  Though for fans of 70's football it would work better for Andy lee.

Just trying to do my bit for Andre's profile.

I'd add a boxing related comment but I fell asleep watching the clip. Did he say anything interesting?

Why should the number 2 p4p fighter...who holds the ring and other titles struggle to make fights......??

Not his fault..........It's other cowardly muppets who know they are going to get trashed...

Where is the ambition ????? They should want Andre..

Carry on Wardy and just pick up sizeable paydays for fighting ordinary opponents....Forget froch he'll always be remembered as a paper champ..during your reign.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Macklin has fought both of them...Or are you stupid..

Still don't see what that has to do with the OP??

Has someone, or Martinez, used GGG's job on Macklin as some kind of yardstick or justification?

Ward say's Martinez is number 1............and I'm agreeing with the statement.

Ok.

I agree also.

well that's nice to know...

Eh? How will froch be known as a paper champ when he holds the IBF?

Because he's still not 'the man' at the weight, and lost (pretty convincingly) to the guy that is.

'Paper-champ' is (deliberately) over-egging it, but with Ward around nobody esle can be considered THE divisional champ.

mobile is being sarcastic...dumbass.

Haha thanks Truss was about to comment myself.

i would like to see ward in the UK though on a separate note. Just to see how he copes in unfamiliar territory in front of a very hostile crowd.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:mobile is being sarcastic...dumbass.

classy.....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Macklin has fought both of them...Or are you stupid..

macklin hasn't fought ward genius

GGG and Martinez have...what a twonk..

Martinez is saying he wants to fight Cotto.

Both are ring worn but I think after the entertainment they have given the fans over the years they deserve a big winnable fight involving a a nice pay day.

GGG didnt get decked or have a single problem with Macklin though, shows GGG is pretty special considering Macklin gave Martinez one of his toughest fights.

Really.............Biggs beat Tillis easier than Tyson did..

Means sack all because styles make fights..

Martinez wrecks Cotto, what a cringey mismatch

Fair point Truss, but to dispose of Macklin in that manner, without breaking a sweat was shocking. It wasnt like he just landed a big shot early, he bossed Macklin about in a manner I haven't seen Macklin treated before.

AlexHuckerby wrote:GGG didnt get decked or have a single problem with Macklin though, shows GGG is pretty special considering Macklin gave Martinez one of his toughest fights.

And Murray arguably beat him, for what that's worth.

Think Martinez has started to decline following the JCCJr bout. Could be ripe for the taking (for GGG) in a year or so's time.

I like him Alex...but Macklin is a good honest pro.........

He doesn't really offer anything new....

Ward is streets ahead.........GGG reminds me of JCC...........Guys like randall figured him out..

TopHat24/7 wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:GGG didnt get decked or have a single problem with Macklin though, shows GGG is pretty special considering Macklin gave Martinez one of his toughest fights.

And Murray arguably beat him, for what that's worth.

Think Martinez has started to decline following the JCCJr bout.  Could be ripe for the taking (for GGG) in a year or so's time.

I think GGG beats him...........However Martinez deserves his number 1 status till that happens.........Witherspoon beat Holmes for my money...

I like GGG and i think he takes Ward out.

Mainly because i don't like ward to be fair.....bit biased i suppose.

would be a good fight and id be over the moon if GGG pulled it off.

Strongback wrote:Martinez is saying he wants to fight Cotto.

Both are ring worn but I think after the entertainment they have given the fans over the years they deserve a big winnable fight involving a a nice pay day.

He's fought Macklin and Barker and he deserves a nice payday against Cotto.............

and yet you moan about Floyd fighting stiffs like Guerrero..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:GGG and Martinez have...what a twonk..

 just me and you Lenny, just me and you...I'll put trademarks around your eye

A paper champ is someone who is gifted a belt out of the ring. Froch won his by beating on a guy whod held the title for years. Not the man in his division, but not a paper champ either.

Agree with Alex on Cotto v Martinez.

I think Ward decisions GGG, but style wise GGG poses problems. Swarmer v boxer, both the best at their respective styles right now. The reason I give it to Ward is that he looks like a light heavyweight in super middleweight clothing. GGG looks like an average size middleweight right now. He'd still be the puncher by a mile, but Ward's size would negate GGG's most potent weapon somewhat. There's no reason not to make GGG v Martinez other than sympathy for Sergio, which I kind of get. I want their to be a valid reason not to make it but there isn't. The best should fight the best.

A paper champion is someone that's been owned by the other champion at that weight..

In my eyes...

How can Froch be WORLD CHAMPION..

This why there should onlybe ONE champ per division. Otherwise everyone can "pick a favourite".

Back to topic, Truss you said "Why should the number 2 p4p fighter...who holds the ring and other titles struggle to make fights......?"

The answer is simple. He's boring to watch. He can't draw flies to a corpse. He is indeed streets ahead of the rest but he's as exciting as beige paint. He doesn't have the silky skills of Floyd, nor the exciting KO stats of GGG or Matthysse. His charisma just isn't there. I have no doubts about his ability but people just don't want to watch him. Shame really.

That isn't the point...

If you are ambitious you should want to beat the best..........So what If Ward is dull..

Because it won't sell. No point in fighting if you don't get paid...

He's the champion...who are the contenders to say who they'll fight !!!!!!

Boxing is business, as Az liked to say, so there's glory and there's feeding your family. Lose against Ward or beat someone else for a not dissimilar payday? Can see why some pick the latter.

Like I said people have ambition or they don't...You'll get more for Ward than for Darren Barker that's for sure....

Also get a p4p spot........

Ward is a HBO fighter...

Dawson fought him...

Don't think it's that clear cut though.

Have no doubt Groves will get paid better for Froch than he would as a Ward mandatory, for example.

Who gives a .........

End of the day Groves is a paper champion If he beats Froch...

you can't be a bonafide champ when you've lost to another champ at the same weight....No one took Mike weaver seriously..

Barker is a paper champion..also..

Although good luck to him...

He's been inactive since this time last year. I know he's had injury/surgery issues, but it doesn't instill confidence if the "main man" hasn't fought in over a year.

He doesn't even appear to have a fight lined up at the moment. It's worrying when someone has that much talent yet goes away for a year and hardly anybody notices.

He seems to have taken the approach (rightly in my book) that the contenders should come to him. There are only 2 reasons why they don't. They're either scared of him, or know it's not worth their while. We all know that he won't fight outside of the USA (Ok he's had 2/26 in the Caribbean) so even if the contenders think they've got a chance they don't want to fight him for fear of a homeland decision.

We watch boxing for the excitement it brings. I like a bit of skill, a toe-to-toe encounter and a good KO. A bit of lip at the press conferences is always a good indication of what may transpire. However, Andre Ward for all his ability comes across as someone who is great at defence, holds, butts and has zero charisma. He's doubtless a nice guy but as you've alluded in the past, Truss, nice doesn't sell.  There's NO excitement. Certainly I wouldn't pay to watch him. If it were free, then yes, fine. But he isn't fun to view, and also he doesn't have the perceived arrogance of a Hamed or a Floyd that make you want to see him beaten. 

I'd rate him as the best fighter the general public haven't heard of.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Who gives a .........

End of the day Groves is a paper champion If he beats Froch...

you can't be a bonafide champ when you've lost to another champ at the same weight....No one took Mike weaver seriously..

Barker is a paper champion..also..

Although good luck to him...

Is that your 'get out of jail' card whenever your arguments are countered?

What are you talking about...

Ward is the number 1...You want to be number 1 beat him !!!!!!!!!!

If not be second best....

Duran fought Benitez...........Benitez was hardly a big money spinner. But was top quality...

You said everyone should fight him.

I said he wasn't always financially viable.

You tried to play up his financial viablity.

I gave you an example where it fell down.

You just came back with the ol' "who gives a ...."

I'm following your train of argument, you're throwing your toys out the pram when it isn't going your way. Again.

I've never tried to say he was marketable....

I said he was more financially viable than Barker...........

Just stop it...

Groves won't be paper champ as he will have won it in the ring, despite "your definition".

Which contenders are ducking Ward for easier options anyway? He's faced all the best guys already. Apart from arguably Bute who could have remained a top super middle if his confidence hadn't been shattered quite so brutally.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've never tried to say he was marketable....

I said he was more financially viable than Barker...........
Just stop it...

And I pointed out that's not always the case.

For example, fighting a marketable domestic fighter in a big 'battle of Britian' clash, esp if it gets UK PPV, will spin more money (and be more winnable) than fighting in front of a small US crowd away from home.

Barker isn't a paper champion then...despite being owned by a guy at the same weight..

He's a champion of the world too.....which by definition isn't the case!!!!!!!!!!!

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've never tried to say he was marketable....

I said he was more financially viable than Barker...........
Just stop it...

And I pointed out that's not always the case.  

For example, fighting a marketable domestic fighter in a big 'battle of Britian' clash, esp if it gets UK PPV, will spin more money (and be more winnable) than fighting in front of a small US crowd away from home.

You are so desperate aren't you ??........You are like a defence lawyer who's client is bang to rights...looking for a technicality to get him off...

Just leave it out..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've never tried to say he was marketable....

I said he was more financially viable than Barker...........
Just stop it...

And I pointed out that's not always the case.  

For example, fighting a marketable domestic fighter in a big 'battle of Britian' clash, esp if it gets UK PPV, will spin more money (and be more winnable) than fighting in front of a small US crowd away from home.

You are so desperate aren't you ??........You are like a defence lawyer who's client is bang to rights...looking for a technicality to get him off...

Just leave it out..

I'm not desperate, I'm just trying to have an actual debate.

But, as usual, you just hate anyone that stands up to your bluster and exposes your embarrassingly weak arguing competence.

I said he was more viable than Barker..You said I was making a case that he was marketable....

So you are full of it...........

I stand by my last point.

Then how did you arrive at him being more financially viable?

And can you counter my examples to suggest he is not?