Garcia

When will this great fighter get the credit he deserves on here? He totally derailed the hype that surrounded Mathysse with some excellent skills and showed a strong chin in the process. I have said many times that Lucas was pure hype and accused of wumming. I have praised Garica and called a wum.

Garcia is seriously under-rated. He has good skills and excellent timing. He has the added bonus of having his dad to take all the pressure off him and he goes about his business in a methodical manner.

Floyd makes him look silly, but Floyd makes everyone between 140-154 look silly.That shouldn't detract from the excellent fighter that is Garcia.

Why such a provocative thread?

Giving praise to a boxer is provocative? If you have nothing to add to the points I made I suggest you leave my threads alone.

Truth. Danny nowhere near Mayweathers LEVEL. But underrated TIMING, POWER and prove he has a good CHIN. People UNDERRATE Danny because they dont see he is a YOUNG fighter who is IMPROVING all the time.

Lucas is a good fighter but IF you can handle his POWER and you have good TIMING or MOVEMENT he is very BEATABLE. Lucas a good PUNCHER but FOOTWORK is lacking.

azania wrote:Giving praise to a boxer is provocative? If you have nothing to add to the points I made I suggest you leave my threads alone.

Provocative in the sense you are attacking people for not sharing the same views as you pre-fight.

Is that all you got from the post?

Can some adults respond please. No wums or kids staying up late.

Hes not a great fighter Az but he is willing and tough. He took some shots in that fight but stayed on his feet. 

I think him and Bradley would be interesting.

Garcia is far better than given credit for, always finds a way to win. Got to respect that.
As a result of the Mattyhsse fight i think he needs to move up. Alexander might cause him some problems.

I don't mind admitting that I got the fight wrong - plenty of other fans, judges, writers etc, all far more qualified than me, got it wrong too. After not looking all that clever last time out against Zab, whereas Matthysse had run through a Peterson who some thought would be too clever for him, Garcia had it all to do.

But he did it, and I take my hat off to him. As I said the other day, I thought there were still reasonable questions to be asked of Garcia's chin beforehand, because as Cleverly showed, a chin can look great against moderate hitters but then be cracked apart when you face your first genuine knockout artist. Matthysse was definitely the first man Danny's faced at a high level fitting that description, but he stood up to that power extremely well. That right hand at the start of round eleven would have had just about any other 140 pounder in a world of trouble.

I also said that I don't think he leads well, and made that mistake too often against Judah. This time he stuck to a gameplan and when he got that jab going he looked the part. If he utilises that a bit more he'll be hard to beat more often than not.

I also think he has a good temperament, because in rounds five and six last night there were signs that Matthysse was just starting to impose himself, I thought. Garcia kept a very cool head, got moving away from those ropes and waiting for the opportunities to come his way, and he cashed in on them when they did.

I don't think he's a 'great' fighter, still. But I'll happily say I slightly underestimated him. Gets all the credit in the world for his showing last night, and if he lands that mega payday against Floyd, then well done him. Deserves it.

Let's not get caught up with semantics. He is the best 140lber. I've read some comments here where credit is being taken away from him. Some have looked at the eye damage Lucas suffered to take the gloss off the win. But conveniently ignore that the eye was injured because Garcia hit him there.

It seems Garcia is the type of fighter who gets better the bigger the challenge. He always seem unflustered and poker faced throughout.

No worries Chris. I have been wrong once or twice also....perhaps once.

I think it's a mistake using Zab as a measuring stick. Who looks good against him? An interesting fight would be Garcia v Bradley or JMM. Those are guys at his level. Floy is on another planet but hopes he gets that fight. As you say he deserved the pay day that will come with that beating. But he will give a very good account of himself as he seems to have a very good boxing brain and can adjust accordingly.

Jesus, coming in Garcia's ar$e for beating a one-eyed Lucas.

Let's be honest for a second, Matthysse would have sparked him between the eigh'th and the tenth but for the eye. He got lucky. Lucky as hell in fact. It happened just as the tide was turning against him.


Mind you, you create your own luck,  and Garcia it seems, is getting plenty of well deserved respect. I'm looking forward to his next fight. But let's not get carried away just yet.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. He didn't.

Garcia caused the injury. No luck about it. I suppose Lewis got lucky against Vitali also.

Man YDSAB. Garcia LUCKY for busting up Lucas eye? BS man, BS. Same fools saying Garcia was LUCKY for timing Khan with a NICE hook.

Garcia HANDLED the power bro. Lucas hit him with his BEST shots.

 

We get it, you feel vindicated, but let's see a rematch, then you can ejaculate.


Calling Matthysse pure hype is a bit ridiculous, temper it down a little. It took a very good performance to beat him.

If a supposedly average fighter (as Garcia has been described) can beat the monster in Lucas, why isn't Garcia getting the credit from all? I am still reading people blaming the eye for the loss and not giving Garcia the credit for causing the eye damage.

I have never rated Lucas as highly as others. Yes he is a massive hitter. If you stand there he will take you out. Show him angles and he's lost. Khan would do him also (provided he doesn't get clocked like the punch Garcia took in the 11th).

Classic and totally impartial and unbiased article on the fight from the always even-handed Boxing News 24, here!  

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/09/danny-garcia-low-blows-matthysse/#more-162271

Khan to beat Matthysse, are you actually serious with that comment? You think Khan could avoid Lucas for thirty six minutes. Just as I was beginning to take you seriously...


Nobody ever said Matthysse was unbeatable, but this habit of calling a fighter carp after just one loss is a trait that, if eradicated, would be healthy for this forum. What would you have said when Burley lost to Charles? Less of the knee-jerk reaction that's all I am asking. And , while it may not have altered the result, let's not ignore there were extenuating circumstances.

Is that journalism? Sounds like strongback on a bad day talking about Floyd.

That's nowt, Az. You should see some of Scott Gilfoid's 'articles' for that same site. I'm actually convinced that he must be told by his employers to deliberately wind up as many people as possible.

Credit to Garcia for showing some good boxing skills but Lucas has allways been about coming forward and using his power... I thought he was just starting to impose him self and drag Garcia into trouble when he lost his vision in his Eye and started taking some big shots while blind sighted.. I guess you have to give Garcia credit for busting up his eye, But IMO if Lucas did not have the swollen eye he would have stopped Garcia, And to be honest I think he was a pure warrior to go to the end of the fight with practically one eye.

Bottom line is Garcia won, But if they ever have a rematch then there is every chance Lucas would stop him IMO.

Herman Jaggery wrote:Khan to beat Matthysse, are you actually serious with that comment? You think Khan could avoid Lucas for thirty six minutes. Just as I was beginning to take you seriously...


Nobody ever said Matthysse was unbeatable, but this habit of calling a fighter carp after just one loss is a trait that, if eradicated, would be healthy for this forum. What would you have said when Burley lost to Charles? Less of the knee-jerk reaction that's all I am asking. And , while it may not have altered the result, let's not ignore there were extenuating circumstances.

If Garcia, Judah and Alexander can stand up to his power or avoid getting hit so can Amir. I look at it as 55/45 in favour of Khan.

I have not described Lucas as carp. I said overrated. Beating up a fat featherweight in Soto made people here sit up. Peterson leaving his brains on a syringe helped also.

WHo cares about Burley or charles or other old timers for that matter. Lets talk about professional boxers and not people fighting for wages and food.

88Chris05 wrote:That's nowt, Az. You should see some of Scott Gilfoid's 'articles' for that same site. I'm actually convinced that he must be told by his employers to deliberately wind up as many people as possible.

Why would anyone want to do that? 

tunes666 wrote:Credit to Garcia for showing some good boxing skills but Lucas has allways been about coming forward and using his power... I thought he was just starting to impose him self and drag Garcia into trouble when he lost his vision in his Eye and started taking some big shots while blind sighted..  I guess you have to give Garcia credit for busting up his eye, But IMO if Lucas did not have the swollen eye he would have stopped Garcia, And to be honest I think he was a pure warrior to go to the end of the fight with practically one eye.

Bottom line is Garcia won, But if they ever have a rematch then there is every chance Lucas would stop him IMO.

Always a "but" when it comes to Garcia. Credit taken away. For those who are unaware of this, people get cut and eyes swell when hit there. The skill also includes capitalising on it and aiming for the injured body part to make it worse thereby increasing your chance of winning.

88Chris05 wrote:That's nowt, Az. You should see some of Scott Gilfoid's 'articles' for that same site. I'm actually convinced that he must be told by his employers to deliberately wind up as many people as possible.

At least (from what I remember) he knows basic English.

"I thought it was going to be a great night of boxing making history but boy was I wrong" Painful to read.
"Boxing world was interested to see if his son Danny can back it all up after all the trash talk." The boxing world. Mixing tenses.
"If anything Angel Garcia keep on embarrassing his son but that can be another article." Kept maybe?
"Initially when it happened the first time" As opposed to initially the second time?
"time Danny felt Matthyese power" Spelt his name wrong, and you probably want to finish it with an s, an an apostrophe if you're feeling fancy.
"The referee, should of deducted more points" Should have.
"Danny, did eventually caught Matthyese with a good shot where his eye was swelled up" No need for a comma. Catch not caught. Swollen probably.

Etc.

I dont get this sudden change of opinion of Garcia after the matthysse fight. Most of the good folk were saying for ages how matthysse was untested/hyped/over rated etc, does beating a hype job elevate one to that kind of status?

azania wrote:

Herman Jaggery wrote:Khan to beat Matthysse, are you actually serious with that comment? You think Khan could avoid Lucas for thirty six minutes. Just as I was beginning to take you seriously...


Nobody ever said Matthysse was unbeatable, but this habit of calling a fighter carp after just one loss is a trait that, if eradicated, would be healthy for this forum. What would you have said when Burley lost to Charles? Less of the knee-jerk reaction that's all I am asking. And , while it may not have altered the result, let's not ignore there were extenuating circumstances.

If Garcia, Judah and Alexander can stand up to his power or avoid getting hit so can Amir.

This is a joke right? You think khan, who has had the biggest hole in his deffense could by some miracle avoid getting hit for 12 rounds by any pro boxer by becoming deffensive? Im sure Khan would be happy to know some fans are still holding that fading light of hope for him.

Lucky low-blowing one-trick pony. Scraped past a half blind Lucas M who totally had his number until the eye closed.

Put Garcia up against PBF and his performance will be as laughable as Canelos.

Maybe you should give him credit for beating a very tough opponent...

Don't care for him much myself..........but he beat a quality Khan........a useful Judah and now a guy no one on here gave him a chance with.......

Didn't see anybody pick Garcia.....

He's an overachiever and we should respect them more.......

azania wrote:If a supposedly average fighter (as Garcia has been described) can beat the monster in Lucas, why isn't Garcia getting the credit from all? I am still reading people blaming the eye for the loss and not giving Garcia the credit for causing the eye damage.

I have never rated Lucas as highly as others. Yes he is a massive hitter. If you stand there he will take you out. Show him angles and he's lost. Khan would do him also (provided he doesn't get clocked like the punch Garcia took in the 11th).

Biggest caveat ever in the history of boxing......??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Maybe you should give him credit for beating a very tough opponent...

Don't care for him much myself..........but he beat a quality Khan........a useful Judah and now a guy no one on here gave him a chance with.......

Didn't see anybody pick Garcia.....

He's an overachiever and we should respect them more.......

He's an overachiever, I agree, will give him a for that.

Fairly sure I did as did a few others on the prediction league. Granted I thought he'd stop him late but said all along if he survives the first four rounds he wins.

The Terror of Tylorstown wrote:Fairly sure I did as did a few others on the prediction league. Granted I thought he'd stop him late but said all along if he survives the first four rounds he wins.

I withdraw the remark........But you were going against consensus.......Good pick......

The thing is az when all the 'experts' on here get it wrong after they've been so vocal before a fight, ie rigo vs donaire & now this fight, they find every excuse to discredit the unfancied winner. It was a good win for Garcia and he put in good performance and looks a decent fighter in the making. He's not going to cause Floyd any problems but like you said and most of us agree, who does?

I agree with the view that Garcia should be given more respect and is a very smart fighter.

But reading a comment about Khan beating Mattysse....come on, now that is wind up material if I have ever seen it!!!

Maybe the Khan that fought Paulie/Maidana.....but he is on a very deep slope at the minute getting a hiding from Peterson (even though he was juiced, he still took a lot of punishment), clocked all over the place by Garcia, then took WAY too much off an ancient shot lightweight in Diaz. The tiny Molina also caught him a lot too.

Dont get me wrong, Khan still has a lot of ways to get to a Mayweather fight if he picks the right opponents....but going by the last 2 years, he gets really badly hurt by Lucas. Khan would start well, but he would tire after about 5/6 rounds and be there for the taking. Styles make fights as the old cliché goes and Lucas' is a style that would make Khan do "the dance" AGAIN.

I am going to give Garcia crddit. He is building a decent resume now and I keep betting against him. Thought Lucas would tear him apart, but was wrong. All credit to Danny

I favoured Lucas like many but full credit to Garcia who was the clear winner.

I think most know Lucas to be a bit one dimensional but it's such an effective style he gets away with it. Ill still be rooting for him. WAR Mattysse!

Garcia did well, showed good skills and a solid chin so hats off.

I'm guilty in wanting Garcia to lose because I can't stand his dad!

IM agreeing with TopHat on this. Mathyssee started to turn the fight around in the 6th. Was caught in the 7th in an exchange and his eye may as well have fallen out.

Had this not happened then Mathyssee would have got Danny out of there.

Thinking about it, Danny had had some rub of the green as late.

Eyes closed hook on Khans neck and a one in a million blind shot with his thumb on Mathysse eye.

id avoid him, he seems to be some sort of oracle.

azania wrote:When will this great fighter get the credit he deserves on here? He totally derailed the hype that surrounded Mathysse with some excellent skills and showed a strong chin in the process. I have said many times that Lucas was pure hype and accused of wumming. I have praised Garica and called a wum.

Garcia is seriously under-rated. He has good skills and excellent timing. He has the added bonus of having his dad to take all the pressure off him and he goes about his business in a methodical manner.

Floyd makes him look silly, but Floyd makes everyone between 140-154 look silly.That shouldn't detract from the excellent fighter that is Garcia.

Agree with pretty much all of that.

Whats impressed me with Garcia is that hes improving with every fight. He is still abit wild but thats in his makeup, his performance against Matthysse was more measured and controlled than i thought he was capable of. He showed he has a growing arsenal of shots and i think he will take some beating unless a certain Mayweather comes calling.

Your opinions have changed since your last article on this fight. You're very good at making judgements after fights have happened.

Garcia is a very good boxer and could move up to 147 and cause a lot of problems for guys like Rios, Bradley, Alexander and even Marquez. He can box but because he can take a punch and he can bang he can afford to be reckless.

I think it is a bit harsh to say Matthysse was hyped up above his level as well he walked through Peterson who is a good fighter. Judah gave him trouble but I thought Matthysse won but I did think Alexander beat him. I thought that was the most surprising part of Garcias performance slick boxers with good movement and fast hands gave Matthysse trouble but Garcia stood his ground and his punches looked the more hurtful for my money.