Groves and Booth Split

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Carl Froch claims they have split on Talksport?

DAVE667 wrote:A warrior's word is a word forged in blood on the fields of battle and/or in the trenches depending on whether you prefer trench warfare or a straight up fight on the battlefield. Either way it doesn't matter cos a warrior like what Carl Froch is will fight in the trenches or on the battlefield because that's what warrior's do so it's a good job that's what Carl Frcoh is....a warrior!

Very good Dave!  

Scottrf wrote:

Strongback wrote:Does anyone ever get banned on this site?

Not being smart but I've never seen a banning.

I got banned. This account was only reactivated a couple of days ago.

Really? They said you left. I did 6 months or so.

Seanusarrilius wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Strongback wrote:Booth has confirmed the split on Boxing Scene

As trainer or managerial representative

My guess is money. Groves has always been fine with being a part of Team Hayemaker, in fact he has revelled in it. This feels like a money isue to me. Even though I have absolutely nothing to back up my theory.

It looks like you're were right Sean. Money is the root of all evil.


Rumours doing the rounds is Booth was on a 25% promoters fee and 10% as trainer. Groves wanted to self promote and just use Booth as a trainer apparently.

Being Groves big pay day I wouldn't blame him for wanting to maximise his profit. It's not as if Haye and Booth have been particularly honourable types themselves. Groves didn't lick it up off the street.

You really don't like Haye do you......What has he got to do with it..

just knock it off..

Absolute madness in my opinion, I can't think of a good enough reason for groves to let this happen , no amount of money can justify this decision, it takes years for a boxer to get to this level and the trainer plays a massive part in it, and booth has played a massive part in groves progression , there is no way groves beats froch now , I actually belive froch was slightly worried about the fact groves had booth in he's corner and what gameplan he would come up with,

Groves will lose

well, we don't know the ins and outs and if Groves has dropped Booth, I wouldn't think it is without very good reason. But it is very bad for Groves. He needed Booth to deflect some of the pressure, devise the gameplan and build his confidence. He looked like a school boy yesterday. Shame. Froch by KO inside 7

Merging this thread with the other

I'll stick my neck out and pick Groves. Something about him says "winner". He's the better boxer than Froch. Better jab, better movement and more ability. Perhaps it is too soon for him but if he brings his A game he could win by decision. Only problem\is that he seems vulnerale and if Froch takes it to the trenches :)and shows the warrior grit he could maul and break Groves down by the halfway mark.

Good fight and I'm looking forward to it.

azania wrote:I'll stick my neck out and pick Groves. Something about says "winner". He's the better boxer than Froch. Better jab, better movement and more ability. Perhaps it is too soon for him but if he brings his A game he could win by decision. Only problem\is that he seems vulnerale and if Froch takes it to the trenches :)and shows the warrior grit he could maul and break Groves down by the halfway mark.

Good fight and I'm looking forward to it.

He doesn't fight any other way cos Carl Froch is a warrior who....ah, you all know the score.

Bold prediction Az but I agree with youre reasoning as to why although I fear that Groves will come a cropper late on perhaps even leading by a couple of points. I certainly believe he'll give a good account of himself and whilst on the face of it, splitting with Booth may seems like another nail in the coffin, there's a certain amount of "steel" in Groves that makes me think he could go out and defy the odds.

Froch made me laugh at the press conference saying to Groves 'Your getting knocked out and you know it'

Yeah cause your always knocking them out aint ya Carl...

Steffan wrote:Froch made me laugh at the press conference saying to Groves 'Your getting knocked out and you know it'

Yeah cause your always knocking them out aint ya Carl...

Would be much better if he'd said 'you're getting a points loss'.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Would be much better if he'd said 'you're getting a points loss'

True. More realistic

Froch seems to be trying to goad George into a brawl (yes I know they'll be fighting November) as I think he's a tad worried that Groves' footwork, whilst not the greatest, will cause him problems.

When the fight was first announced he was blathering on about Groves running all night and not fighting and essentially (drum roll) not behaving like a warrior.

Steffan wrote:Froch made me laugh at the press conference saying to Groves 'Your getting knocked out and you know it'

Yeah cause your always knocking them out aint ya Carl...

Yup. Pretty often.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Yup. Pretty often

Yeah against non-world class opponents usually. He did well against a shot Taylor and Bute though

Steffan wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Yup. Pretty often

Yeah against non-world class opponents usually. He did well against a shot Taylor and Bute though

List the legends Calzaghe knocked out please.

Scottrf wrote:

Steffan wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Yup. Pretty often

Yeah against non-world class opponents usually. He did well against a shot Taylor and Bute though

List the legends Calzaghe knocked out please.

Why?

azania wrote:I'll stick my neck out and pick Groves. Something about him says "winner". He's the better boxer than Froch. Better jab, better movement and more ability.

When you look at who he has fought and put Froch in with those people, then do you think Froch would look better against them?

Who says Az is contrarian?

War Carl War

Steffan wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Yup. Pretty often

Yeah against non-world class opponents usually. He did well against a shot Taylor and Bute though

So he doesn't knock out world class opp. Apart from when he does.

Steffan wrote: non-world class opponents

Like Groves.

Froch will not KO Groves

Steffan wrote:Froch will not KO Groves

Bold statement.


On the other point Froch was getting well beat up and saw the canvas before Taylor gassed.

Steffan wrote:Froch will not KO Groves

Like he wouldn't KO Bute and was gonna get a whoopin in the Kessler rematch?  

So I take it most people on here are cheering on Froch then?

Neutral for me.

Scottrf wrote:Neutral for me.

Prediction?

I don't care it's a dud fight. Froch will win easy. Nothing to get my real interest in this fight.

Initial thought, Froch 116-112ish.

Strongback wrote:I don't care it's a dud fight. Froch will win easy. Nothing to get my real interest in this fight.

What does float your boat strongly?

Kessler v Froch was good.

The heavyweights have always been my favourites and the fighters a tier below the Klitschko's facing each other should be good.

I always watch Khan's fights for obvious reasons.

Watching what GGG might do if he moves up to smw.

There are some good match ups at LHW particularly Kovalev. Can Bellew do something?

I am excited at the prospect of what two-time Olympian Vasyl Lomachenko might do?

Taking Floyd out of the equation then there are great fights at jww and ww.

Then there Rigondeaux. What will Donaire do about him?


That's just off the top of my head. There's loads going on.

Steffan wrote:So I take it most people on here are cheering on Froch then?

I am, but that is no surprise. Froch by late KO here Steffan. No doubt in my mind.

Just read interview from booth says it's nothing to do with money and he and George will not speak publicly about why they split, I belive it could be something to do with groves commitment , or lack of. When haye retired booth was only willing to train him again if he was willing to do what he said and train how booth wanted him to , or he just feels he is not showing enough commitment to beat froch , only conclusion I can think to why this has happened,

I heard that Groves moved gym and Booth couldnt get his ego through the door at the new place

Maybe Booth slipped his bird one, or maybe his dad. I really can't tell which side he plays for. Maybe both.

It could be a conflict of interest between Booth and Matchroom. Something along those lines happened with Carl Frampton leading to a split.

rycoys wrote:Just read interview from booth says it's nothing to do with money and he and George will not speak publicly about why they split, I belive it could be something to do with groves commitment , or lack of. When haye retired booth was only willing to train him again if he was willing to do what he said and train how booth wanted him to , or he just feels he is not showing enough commitment to beat froch , only conclusion I can think to why this has happened,

Money is the root of all evil.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Maybe Booth slipped his bird one, or maybe his dad. I really can't tell which side he plays for. Maybe both.

Stop fantasising about Booths bone.