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Davie wrote:A serious question for you guys who seem to be in the know...

With the state of medical science as it is today, how much of a sample would really be needed to test for drugs?

I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

30 mls

Exactly right, Davie.

The amount of blood which USADA wished to draw each time equated to approximately 1% of body total.

A and B sample....only a little urine........

With my manly pee you have to be careful it doesn't burn through the floor as it did when the monster did some in Alien 1..........

Surprised this guy isn't shouting from the rooftops like I'd be if I thought I'd written a bonafide article..and it was pulled.

Can illegal substances be found in either saliva or semen samples?

Just thinking outside the box here.....

Of course.....The body secretes toxins in lot's of ways...

Davie wrote:A serious question for you guys who seem to be in the know...

With the state of medical science as it is today, how much of a sample would really be needed to test for drugs?

I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Taking blood is an invasise procedure and can lead to infection that would put a halt to a fight.

Also when trying to make weight you cut fluids and nutrition taking blood at this time exacerbate the effects of having blood taken.

It's been 5 mins........

D4thincarnation wrote:

Davie wrote:A serious question for you guys who seem to be in the know...

With the state of medical science as it is today, how much of a sample would really be needed to test for drugs?

I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Taking blood is an invasise procedure and can lead to infection that would put a halt to a fight.

Also when trying to make weight you cut fluids and nutrition taking blood at this time exacerbate the effects of having blood taken.

Which, of course, applies to both parties involved in the fight.

Adam D (Hobo) wrote:Can illegal substances be found in either saliva or semen samples?

Just thinking outside the box here.....

Salvia and urine samples can be used to detect everything that blood can detect apart from EPO and HGH. I believe a urine test for HGH is not far away.

EPO needs to be tested over and extended period of time.



Seems weird that a thread about testing in a Floyd Mayweather vs Victor Ortiz fight gets moved to Manny news.

Adam D (Hobo) wrote:Can illegal substances be found in either saliva or semen samples?

Just thinking outside the box here.....

Their was something on the news last week about using fingernails to detect drug cheats. I'll try and find an article about it.

Davie wrote:
I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Yet another stupid invocation of the swear filter there guys - sorry about that.

I can't imagine any of you being offended by "a little prick"

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Davie wrote:A serious question for you guys who seem to be in the know...

With the state of medical science as it is today, how much of a sample would really be needed to test for drugs?

I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Taking blood is an invasise procedure and can lead to infection that would put a halt to a fight.

Also when trying to make weight you cut fluids and nutrition taking blood at this time exacerbate the effects of having blood taken.

Which, of course, applies to both parties involved in the fight.

I personally want to see fighters at their best, not suffering from the effect of having blood taken.

And also some fighters rely on their physical attributes more than others so these fighters will be penalised to a greater degree.

Davie wrote:

Davie wrote:
I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Yet another stupid invocation of the swear filter there guys - sorry about that.

I can't imagine any of you being offended by "a little prick"

Go on, who wants this one ?

Davie wrote:

Davie wrote:
I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Yet another stupid invocation of the swear filter there guys - sorry about that.

I can't imagine any of you being offended by "a little prick"

Coxy's alright if he hasn't been drinking.

HumanWindmill wrote:

Davie wrote:

Davie wrote:
I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Yet another stupid invocation of the swear filter there guys - sorry about that.

I can't imagine any of you being offended by "a little prick"

Go on, who wants this one ?

I'll bite. It's not the first time a little prîck would have ruined things for most on here.

Toenail and fingernail tests could catch drug cheats.

For the record I don't read the independent you would get battered in Glasgow for reading a broadsheet. Their was a short piece on the BBC news channel about it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/toenail-test-could-catch-the-drug-cheats-674062.html

It seems that the experts agree with me by saying they won't be testing the fighters 48 hours before the fight.

And if turns out they won't test again within 14 days of the fight it might suggest that they are weary of the other problems the blood tests could cause in boxing.

I'm assuming Kev that nail tests would work along the same premise as hair tests. Personally I'm curious to hear of these 'salvia' tests. Not sure what hallucinogens have to do with all this.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Davie wrote:A serious question for you guys who seem to be in the know...

With the state of medical science as it is today, how much of a sample would really be needed to test for drugs?

I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Taking blood is an invasise procedure and can lead to infection that would put a halt to a fight.

Also when trying to make weight you cut fluids and nutrition taking blood at this time exacerbate the effects of having blood taken.

Which, of course, applies to both parties involved in the fight.

I personally want to see fighters at their best, not suffering from the effect of having blood taken.

And also some fighters rely on their physical attributes more than others so these fighters will be penalised to a greater degree.

In the absence of statistics showing the measurable and discernible differences, that argument borders on the ludicrous.

Other sports employ far more rigid testing than does boxing, as well you know.

I guess USADA's testing must be more debilitating than somebody else's. Manny must have a reason for refusing to test with USADA, mustn't he ?

Think I might have found out why USADA testing would be so crippling. Have you seen the size of the needle?:

USADA Testing Official.

BALTIMORA wrote:I'm assuming Kev that nail tests would work along the same premise as hair tests. Personally I'm curious to hear of these 'salvia' tests. Not sure what hallucinogens have to do with all this.

All I know is what is in the article and the small piece the BBC did on it. Apparently their is a longer period of time it can be traced in nails up to 12 months where as hair is 6 months. They did say the were hoping to use it in sports.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Davie wrote:A serious question for you guys who seem to be in the know...

With the state of medical science as it is today, how much of a sample would really be needed to test for drugs?

I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Taking blood is an invasise procedure and can lead to infection that would put a halt to a fight.

Also when trying to make weight you cut fluids and nutrition taking blood at this time exacerbate the effects of having blood taken.

Which, of course, applies to both parties involved in the fight.

I personally want to see fighters at their best, not suffering from the effect of having blood taken.

And also some fighters rely on their physical attributes more than others so these fighters will be penalised to a greater degree.

In the absence of statistics showing the measurable and discernible differences, that argument borders on the ludicrous.

Other sports employ far more rigid testing than does boxing, as well you know.

I guess USADA's testing must be more debilitating than somebody else's. Manny must have a reason for refusing to test with USADA, mustn't he ?

Pacquiao has agreed to all of Floyd's demands regarding testing. Floyd has even publically stated that drug testing is no longer an issue.

Other atheletes don't have to cut weight when training.

prettyboykev wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I'm assuming Kev that nail tests would work along the same premise as hair tests. Personally I'm curious to hear of these 'salvia' tests. Not sure what hallucinogens have to do with all this.

All I know is what is in the article and the small piece the BBC did on it. Apparently their is a longer period of time it can be traced in nails up to 12 months where as hair is 6 months. They did say the were hoping to use it in sports.

WADA may be leading the way in drug testing is sport but drug testing in the real world they are very much behind the times.

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Davie wrote:A serious question for you guys who seem to be in the know...

With the state of medical science as it is today, how much of a sample would really be needed to test for drugs?

I would have thought that just a little Tinkywinky would be enough to pacify the doubters here

Taking blood is an invasise procedure and can lead to infection that would put a halt to a fight.

Also when trying to make weight you cut fluids and nutrition taking blood at this time exacerbate the effects of having blood taken.

Which, of course, applies to both parties involved in the fight.

I personally want to see fighters at their best, not suffering from the effect of having blood taken.

And also some fighters rely on their physical attributes more than others so these fighters will be penalised to a greater degree.

In the absence of statistics showing the measurable and discernible differences, that argument borders on the ludicrous.

Other sports employ far more rigid testing than does boxing, as well you know.

I guess USADA's testing must be more debilitating than somebody else's. Manny must have a reason for refusing to test with USADA, mustn't he ?

Pacquiao has agreed to all of Floyd's demands regarding testing. Floyd has even publically stated that drug testing is no longer an issue.

Other atheletes don't have to cut weight when training.

Just to be picky yes they do, MMA athletes have a specified weight limit just like boxers.

They both have fights coming up, it's irrelevant.

D4thincarnation wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I'm assuming Kev that nail tests would work along the same premise as hair tests. Personally I'm curious to hear of these 'salvia' tests. Not sure what hallucinogens have to do with all this.

All I know is what is in the article and the small piece the BBC did on it. Apparently their is a longer period of time it can be traced in nails up to 12 months where as hair is 6 months. They did say the were hoping to use it in sports.

WADA may be leading the way in drug testing is sport but drug testing in the real world they are very much behind the times.

Read the article I posted they were hoping to use it in sport!

D4thincarnation wrote:

Adam D (Hobo) wrote:Can illegal substances be found in either saliva or semen samples?

Just thinking outside the box here.....

Salvia and urine samples can be used to detect everything that blood can detect apart from EPO and HGH. I believe a urine test for HGH is not far away.

EPO needs to be tested over and extended period of time.



Seems weird that a thread about testing in a Floyd Mayweather vs Victor Ortiz fight gets moved to Manny news.

HGH is too big a molecule to be broke down by the kidney's hence why it won't show up in urine tests. D4, please stick to facts and not future POTENTIAL technology. So blood tests are necessary!!

As for Mosley being tested 17 days before the fight. You're missing the main point, it was RANDOM. He didn't know when he would be tested.

Pedro, he's not missing the point. He's just a tw@.

BALTIMORA wrote:Pedro, he's not missing the point. He's just a tw@.

Valid point

Pedro147 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Adam D (Hobo) wrote:Can illegal substances be found in either saliva or semen samples?

Just thinking outside the box here.....

Salvia and urine samples can be used to detect everything that blood can detect apart from EPO and HGH. I believe a urine test for HGH is not far away.

EPO needs to be tested over and extended period of time.



Seems weird that a thread about testing in a Floyd Mayweather vs Victor Ortiz fight gets moved to Manny news.

HGH is too big a molecule to be broke down by the kidney's hence why it won't show up in urine tests. D4, please stick to facts and not future POTENTIAL technology. So blood tests are necessary!!

As for Mosley being tested 17 days before the fight. You're missing the main point, it was RANDOM. He didn't know when he would be tested.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2008-07-22-hgh-urine-test_N.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2009-02-26-usada-hgh_N.htm

So why are they investing in something that won't work according to you.

I think it will be very likely that Mayweather and Ortiz will not be blood tested within 14 days before the fight.

I don't think it will be coincidental.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Pedro147 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Adam D (Hobo) wrote:Can illegal substances be found in either saliva or semen samples?

Just thinking outside the box here.....

Salvia and urine samples can be used to detect everything that blood can detect apart from EPO and HGH. I believe a urine test for HGH is not far away.

EPO needs to be tested over and extended period of time.



Seems weird that a thread about testing in a Floyd Mayweather vs Victor Ortiz fight gets moved to Manny news.

HGH is too big a molecule to be broke down by the kidney's hence why it won't show up in urine tests. D4, please stick to facts and not future POTENTIAL technology. So blood tests are necessary!!

As for Mosley being tested 17 days before the fight. You're missing the main point, it was RANDOM. He didn't know when he would be tested.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2008-07-22-hgh-urine-test_N.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2009-02-26-usada-hgh_N.htm

So why are they investing in something that won't work according to you.

Yes but there's no date on when development will be finalised. Also, they're investing. There is no sure thing that it will work and if so how accurate. A lie detector works but it can't legally be used in any court, in any state in America.

I'm not saying it won't ever work but you can't hold an argument by saying potential technology. Again, I'm not saying you're point won't ever be proven, but for now I'm afraid it's not the case.

D4thincarnation wrote:I think it will be very likely that Mayweather and Ortiz will not be blood tested within 14 days before the fight.

I don't think it will be coincidental.

If you wish to cast aspersions and make thinly-veiled accusations you may wish to secure the services of a lawyer.

Ceres Nanosciences have a urine test for HGH

http://www.ceresnano.com/team.htm

http://www.hgh.org/HGH-Detectable-In-Urine.html

BALTIMORA wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:I think it will be very likely that Mayweather and Ortiz will not be blood tested within 14 days before the fight.

I don't think it will be coincidental.

If you wish to cast aspersions and make thinly-veiled accusations you may wish to secure the services of a lawyer.

Long shot but think we'd all be spared a lot of pain if he could secure the services of a girlfriend

Looks like urine and salvia test can detect everything that blood test can and they stay in the system longer.

Could this mean a end to invasive blood tests in sport?

D4thincarnation wrote:Ceres Nanosciences have a urine test for HGH

http://www.ceresnano.com/team.htm

http://www.hgh.org/HGH-Detectable-In-Urine.html

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16045/ask-the-doc-with-steroid-and-hgh-testing-is-blood-or-urine-best.mma

"It will take forever (exaggeration) to get the test approved to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) standards. WADA must be sure that the test can withstand the legal assault that is certain to be waged with the first positive sample."

As I said, I don't dismiss what you say as you do others. I have studied Science at third level so please stop this silly posting on topics you have no in depth knowledge of. Yes the technology MAY be there but the legal side of things may be some years away.

As I keep emphasising, I'm not saying you're wrong but your stance in this case simply doesn't hold up.

Pedro147 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Ceres Nanosciences have a urine test for HGH

http://www.ceresnano.com/team.htm

http://www.hgh.org/HGH-Detectable-In-Urine.html

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16045/ask-the-doc-with-steroid-and-hgh-testing-is-blood-or-urine-best.mma

"It will take forever (exaggeration) to get the test approved to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) standards. WADA must be sure that the test can withstand the legal assault that is certain to be waged with the first positive sample."

As I said, I don't dismiss what you say as you do others. I have studied Science at third level so please stop this silly posting on topics you have no in depth knowledge of. Yes the technology MAY be there but the legal side of things may be some years away.

As I keep emphasising, I'm not saying you're wrong but your stance in this case simply doesn't hold up.

There is a test for it now, lets hope WADA wake up and stop living in the past.

As I said before WADA are not world leaders in drug testing.

D4thincarnation wrote:

Pedro147 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Ceres Nanosciences have a urine test for HGH

http://www.ceresnano.com/team.htm

http://www.hgh.org/HGH-Detectable-In-Urine.html

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16045/ask-the-doc-with-steroid-and-hgh-testing-is-blood-or-urine-best.mma

"It will take forever (exaggeration) to get the test approved to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) standards. WADA must be sure that the test can withstand the legal assault that is certain to be waged with the first positive sample."

As I said, I don't dismiss what you say as you do others. I have studied Science at third level so please stop this silly posting on topics you have no in depth knowledge of. Yes the technology MAY be there but the legal side of things may be some years away.

As I keep emphasising, I'm not saying you're wrong but your stance in this case simply doesn't hold up.

There is a test for it now, lets hope WADA wake up and stop living in the past.

As I said before WADA are not world leaders in drug testing.

So for this case it's fine for technology to prevail but when Floyd asks for it you feel that the ridiculously low levels of testing currently in boxing will suffice. You've countered your own argument. You seriously are a cabbage of the highest degree.

Anyway D4, I've to study as a test on Saturday morning. Adios.

Touché, jeff.

Now, D4: please learn the distinction between saliva and salvia. It's quite substantial.

Pedro147 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Pedro147 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Ceres Nanosciences have a urine test for HGH

http://www.ceresnano.com/team.htm

http://www.hgh.org/HGH-Detectable-In-Urine.html

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16045/ask-the-doc-with-steroid-and-hgh-testing-is-blood-or-urine-best.mma

"It will take forever (exaggeration) to get the test approved to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) standards. WADA must be sure that the test can withstand the legal assault that is certain to be waged with the first positive sample."

As I said, I don't dismiss what you say as you do others. I have studied Science at third level so please stop this silly posting on topics you have no in depth knowledge of. Yes the technology MAY be there but the legal side of things may be some years away.

As I keep emphasising, I'm not saying you're wrong but your stance in this case simply doesn't hold up.

There is a test for it now, lets hope WADA wake up and stop living in the past.

As I said before WADA are not world leaders in drug testing.

So for this case it's fine for technology to prevail but when Floyd asks for it you feel that the ridiculously low levels of testing currently in boxing will suffice. You've countered your own argument. You seriously are a cabbage of the highest degree.

Anyway D4, I've to study as a test on Saturday morning. Adios.

I wish you luck in passing the test

D4thincarnation wrote:

Pedro147 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

Pedro147 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:Ceres Nanosciences have a urine test for HGH

http://www.ceresnano.com/team.htm

http://www.hgh.org/HGH-Detectable-In-Urine.html

http://mmajunkie.com/news/16045/ask-the-doc-with-steroid-and-hgh-testing-is-blood-or-urine-best.mma

"It will take forever (exaggeration) to get the test approved to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) standards. WADA must be sure that the test can withstand the legal assault that is certain to be waged with the first positive sample."

As I said, I don't dismiss what you say as you do others. I have studied Science at third level so please stop this silly posting on topics you have no in depth knowledge of. Yes the technology MAY be there but the legal side of things may be some years away.

As I keep emphasising, I'm not saying you're wrong but your stance in this case simply doesn't hold up.

There is a test for it now, lets hope WADA wake up and stop living in the past.

As I said before WADA are not world leaders in drug testing.

So for this case it's fine for technology to prevail but when Floyd asks for it you feel that the ridiculously low levels of testing currently in boxing will suffice. You've countered your own argument. You seriously are a cabbage of the highest degree.

Anyway D4, I've to study as a test on Saturday morning. Adios.

I wish you luck in passing the test

Cheers man.

Pedro147 wrote:I've to study as a test on Saturday morning. Adios.

Think I did my 25m swimming badge on a Saturday morning as well

Same old BS from D4

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Same old BS from D4

He's not breaking any house rules.

BALTIMORA wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Same old BS from D4

He's not breaking any house rules.

Give me a few cups of coffee and i can probably report 25 posts for being libellous.

Accusing USADA of basically not testing "randomly" is a good start, that he says they won't be tested inside 14 days is basically corruption etc.

Hey admins, why not turn on my report post link so i can highlight every post that is potentially libellous? And no, i won't do it via PM as Windy asked for my number last time i did that.

Hate to think what the USADA laywers would do if they saw this topic and what D4 has to say on the matter, i mean accusing them of corruption regarding testing in FMJ vs Mosley and FMJ vs Ortiz is obviously ok.

coxy0001 wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Same old BS from D4

He's not breaking any house rules.

Give me a few cups of coffee and i can probably report 25 posts for being libellous.

Accusing USADA of basically not testing "randomly" is a good start, that he says they won't be tested inside 14 days is basically corruption etc.

Hey admins, why not turn on my report post link so i can highlight every post that is potentially libellous? And no, i won't do it via PM as Windy asked for my number last time i did that.

Hate to think what the USADA laywers would do if they saw this topic and what D4 has to say on the matter, i mean accusing them of corruption regarding testing in FMJ vs Mosley and FMJ vs Ortiz is obviously ok.

coxy, you are always welcome to PM me.

There was a reason we ended up banging heads last week, and I explained it to you. I also told you that you are a valued member here. I'm not one for grudges, and I don't believe that you are, either.

Let's move on with a clean slate.

Agreed ?

HumanWindmill wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Same old BS from D4

He's not breaking any house rules.

Give me a few cups of coffee and i can probably report 25 posts for being libellous.

Accusing USADA of basically not testing "randomly" is a good start, that he says they won't be tested inside 14 days is basically corruption etc.

Hey admins, why not turn on my report post link so i can highlight every post that is potentially libellous? And no, i won't do it via PM as Windy asked for my number last time i did that.

Hate to think what the USADA laywers would do if they saw this topic and what D4 has to say on the matter, i mean accusing them of corruption regarding testing in FMJ vs Mosley and FMJ vs Ortiz is obviously ok.

coxy, you are always welcome to PM me.

There was a reason we ended up banging heads last week, and I explained it to you. I also told you that you are a valued member here. I'm not one for grudges, and I don't believe that you are, either.

Let's move on with a clean slate.

Agreed ?

Just because i wouldn't give you my number!

Still bemused as to why D4 is allowed to post about drug testing when it's pretty clear he:

a) Has zero idea what he's on about. A new testing procedure takes years to implement. They've got new drugs being made all the time for various things (legal ones), yet they don't hit the market for years.

b) Blood tests aren't intrusive? Every tested athletes accepts it as a part of life. They will still need to give their whereabouts to the testing authorities, and i'd imagine going for a wee with a drug inspector outside the toilet is intrusive, lets not forget if the testers turn up right after/during a training session when they're dehydrated and it may take a while to go to the toilet - having a testing guy going everywhere with you is intrusive to say the least

c) Is libellous in what he says on the matter. He is basically accusing USADA of being corrupt.

And I'm absolutely certain the USADA have nothing better to do with their time than to trawl obscure overseas boxing forums to see if halfwits are making things up about them. The option of ignoring his drivel is one that to the best of my knowledge is still allowed on here.