Edinburgh Sign Sam Beard

by madmaccas Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:24 pm

Any ideas?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/24428845

Doesn't sound like a great signing, hope he's coming cheap!

I'm not the type to harp on about young players not getting a chance when we bring in quality players like Maitland etc, but if this bloke is 23 and can't get into Super Rugby, surely he's not up to snuff?!

Can any Kiwis enlighten us?

by **George Carlin** Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:29 pm

Unusually, the BBC seems well informed about our Samwise:

Edinburgh to sign Bay of Plenty centre Sam Beard

Centre Sam Beard has agreed to join Edinburgh for rest of the season after leaving New Zealand side Bay of Plenty.

The 23-year-old Kiwi becomes the 11th player to be recruited from the southern hemisphere since Alan Solomons was appointed coach in July.

Solomons said: "This opportunity is really an extended trial for him.
"He's played in the rugby hotbed of Canterbury and has been on the cusp of Super Rugby in arguably the best breeding ground in the world."

Beard, whose signing is subject to a medical, was part of the championship-winning team at Christchurch-based club Burnside, before being called up to the provincial Canterbury B team.

After being named player of the year, he was brought into the Crusader Knights, the development squad of the Super Rugby giants.

Beard took the next step on the provincial ladder with a season at Bay of Plenty before being approached by Edinburgh.

Solomons said Beard had the opportunity to win a longer contract "while adding to an area in which we currently lack a little depth".

"Beard has played most of his rugby in Canterbury and has proved himself to be a solid young 12 in the ITM Cup [New Zealand's National Provincial Championship]," said the South African.

Beard, who is expected to arrive at Murrayfield this month, said he was relishing the chance to play for the Pro12 side.

"This is a very exciting opportunity and I'm looking forward to immersing myself in the club and the rugby culture," he said.

"I consider myself a ball-running midfielder who plays an attacking style of footy, but I'll look to do my best in offering whatever I can to benefit the side.

Has to be a Sean Lineen recruitment - if it is, then there's hope that he's a good 'un.

You certainly can't argue with his pedigree and I see that he's a specialist 12, which is good.

by Dorothy_Mantooth Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:31 pm

What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not? Whistle

by madmaccas Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:36 pm

George Carlin wrote:Unusually, the BBC seems well informed about our Samwise:

Has to be a Sean Lineen recruitment - if it is, then there's hope that he's a good 'un.

You certainly can't argue with his pedigree and I see that he's a specialist 12, which is good.

Yeah I certainly hope so, would be good if he was at least SQ.

by madmaccas Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:37 pm

Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not?

Yeah we're becoming the Saffacens of the north, without the success.

by **George Carlin** Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:40 pm

Training sessions at Edinburgh must be like watching the Battle of Thermopylae.

Except with more people.

by madmaccas Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:41 pm

George Carlin wrote:Training sessions at Edinburgh must be like watching the Battle of Thermopylae.

Except with more people.

You actually made me spit out my coffee. Brilliant

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:42 pm

George Carlin wrote:Training sessions at Edinburgh must be like watching the Battle of Thermopylae.

Except with more people.

And both sides contriving to lose Whistle

by XR Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:47 pm

What do edinburgh fans think of all these SH signings? Are they having an impact?

by **George Carlin** Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:49 pm

madmaccas wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Training sessions at Edinburgh must be like watching the Battle of Thermopylae.

Except with more people.
You actually made me spit out my coffee. Brilliant

by jimbopip Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:55 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Training sessions at Edinburgh must be like watching the Battle of Thermopylae.

Except with more people.
And both sides contriving to lose

and with marginally fewer spectators.

by beshocked Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:26 pm

madmaccas wrote:
Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not?
Yeah we're becoming the Saffacens of the north, without the success.

What have you got your own ground yet? A huge financial backer? Do you come up with unorthodox marketing schemes? Do you have a vocal chairman?

You have a long way to go before being anything like Saracens in all aspects good,bad and ugly.

by madmaccas Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:57 pm

beshocked wrote:
madmaccas wrote:
Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not?
Yeah we're becoming the Saffacens of the north, without the success.
What have you got your own ground yet? A huge financial backer? Do you come up with unorthodox marketing schemes? Do you have a vocal chairman?

You have a long way to go before being anything like Saracens in all aspects good,bad and ugly.

Not all statements need to be taken 100% literally. I would have thought it obvious that the comparison was limited to the employment of Southern Hemisphere players.

by beshocked Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:11 pm

madmaccas wrote:
beshocked wrote:
madmaccas wrote:
Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not?
Yeah we're becoming the Saffacens of the north, without the success.
What have you got your own ground yet? A huge financial backer? Do you come up with unorthodox marketing schemes? Do you have a vocal chairman?

You have a long way to go before being anything like Saracens in all aspects good,bad and ugly.
Not all statements need to be taken 100% literally. I would have thought it obvious that the comparison was limited to the employment of Southern Hemisphere players.

Well it's a derogatory nickname. Not sure how signing players from one country is worse than signing from numerous. Plus Edinburgh is only one of two professional clubs in Scotlands.

It would be more appropriate to call Edinburgh the London Irish of the North.......

by flyhalffactory Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:13 pm

madmaccas wrote:
Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not?
Yeah we're becoming the Saffacens of the north, without the success.

That's gotta be the depressing thing I have heard in my long rugby lifetime, my bad boys even becoming remotely associated with ultimate mercenaries of sport..... Sad

by beshocked Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:17 pm

flyhalffactory wrote:
madmaccas wrote:
Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not?
Yeah we're becoming the Saffacens of the north, without the success.
That's gotta be the depressing thing I have heard in my long rugby lifetime, my bad boys even becoming remotely associated with ultimate mercenaries of sport.....

Ultimate mercenaries? I found that term very insulting. Especially from a club shipping in Kiwis and Dutch men and other foreigners specifically so they can play for the national side.

Don't worry - you're more like London Irish.

Can't be like Worcester Warriors because they have their own stadium.

by flyhalffactory Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:24 pm

beshocked wrote:
flyhalffactory wrote:
madmaccas wrote:
Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not?
Yeah we're becoming the Saffacens of the north, without the success.
That's gotta be the depressing thing I have heard in my long rugby lifetime, my bad boys even becoming remotely associated with ultimate mercenaries of sport.....
Ultimate mercenaries? I found that term very insulting. Don't worry - you're more like London Irish.

Can't be like Worcester Warriors because they have their own stadium.

Beshocked if you are so naïve to suggest that the Sarries board have anything that is remotely interested in rugby union in the UK then I am aghast.

Read up on the incestuous background of your board, how they took commercial control with a clear objective and how each one of their individual net worth has increased since 1996, (and don't give me that tosh on having been formed in 18-dot-spit, hence you are a true historic club). Its nothing to do with rugby union at club level one iota.

by beshocked Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:31 pm

flyhalffactory actually Nigel Wray the chairman has a lost a lot of money. He goes to virtually every game I believe. He's a real passionate fan.

If as you say they had a clear objective - what was that clear objective? Their net worth has increased? If it has what's that got to do with the club.

Interested in rugby union in the UK? I don't quite know what that means. Do you mean they should care what the Welsh and Scottish clubs are doing?

by madmaccas Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:36 pm

beshocked wrote:
madmaccas wrote:
beshocked wrote:
madmaccas wrote:
Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not?
Yeah we're becoming the Saffacens of the north, without the success.
What have you got your own ground yet? A huge financial backer? Do you come up with unorthodox marketing schemes? Do you have a vocal chairman?

You have a long way to go before being anything like Saracens in all aspects good,bad and ugly.
Not all statements need to be taken 100% literally. I would have thought it obvious that the comparison was limited to the employment of Southern Hemisphere players.
Well it's a derogatory nickname. Not sure how signing players from one country is worse than signing from numerous. Plus Edinburgh is only one of two professional clubs in Scotlands.

It would be more appropriate to call Edinburgh the London Irish of the North.......

Oh goodness me, touchy much?!

This is rugby, nicknames abound. If anything my original statement was a compliment to Saracens, as I said "without the success". Saracens have bought success, which isn't illegal by the way, and Edinburgh are attempting to do the same thing (probably far less successfully). In that sense they are very similar.

by beshocked Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:44 pm

No they are not similar in my opinion. Your structure is nothing like Saracens. Your style is nothing like Saracens. You're not as disliked as us. You're more like the plucky underdog whereas we're the unfashionable bad boys of English rugby.

The comparison is wrong.

As I said beforehand Edinburgh are more akin to London Irish if you were going to compare yourself to any English side.

by flyhalffactory Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:45 pm

beshocked wrote:flyhalffactory actually Nigel Wray the chairman has a lost a lot of money. He goes to virtually every game I believe. He's a real passionate fan.

If as you say they had a clear objective - what was that clear objective? Their net worth has increased? If it has what's that got to do with the club.

Interested in rugby union in the UK? I don't quite know what that means. Do you mean they should care what the Welsh and Scottish clubs are doing?

Are you serious?............ Wray has close to 30 directorships, more than 75% are now deeply rooted in the Saracens commercial vehicle. There is a well known boast by a high up manager who stated that they as a club has torn its image down and reconstructed it as a professional enterprise, providing the example of the supplying pizza to individual seats if ordered. Have a guess who has a massive influence in Domino Pizzas and have a punt what is served to punters who want a pizza in during a match of rugby union. That's just one example of massive interconnection of services in and out of the organisation called Saracens RFC. Wray doesn't go to every game I can assure you of that.

by beshocked Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:54 pm

flyhalffactory Nigel Wray sold his shares at Domino's Pizza. It's natural that he wants to promote his services. I don't see a problem with that.

Some things at the club I do have a problem with - Nigel Wray and his involvement is not one of them.

Where do you personally draw the line? There has to be a balance between becoming financially liable and not selling one's soul as it were.

I wouldn't say I agree with everything the club does but why would I?

Would you at Edinburgh really turn down a multi million pound sponsorship deal if offered it for example?

Well let's be honest - who knows more about Saracens? Me or you? I know that Nigel Wray does go to most of the games. Maybe not all I concede but he is a huge fan. Huge sports fan as well - he has a large sports memorabilia. Of course there's self interest too but I don't think Nigel Wray should be demonised.

by **RDW** Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:58 pm

The thing that makes this perfectly acceptable for me is the fact that is a short term deal. Of course I’d love SBW to rock up but we’ve got to be realistic here – the season has already started, the only players able to come in are those from the ITM/Currie cup etc. and those from the likes of Argentina. I said it on here before that I am perfectly happy for us to sign temporary short term fixes, that may be of inferior quality giving us a bad season, if it means next summer we can sign good quality, long term alternatives.

I’m more than happy for this bloke to fill a gap at centre this season if it means we can target good players in the summer, namely Duncan Taylor, Alex Grove, Heathcoat, Shiells etc and any top class NSQ that we can sign at the appropriate time – i.e. when their contracts expire at the end of the season, not during the start of the next season!

We made the mistake last year of getting numerous journeymen on 2 year deals – I’m happy for this season to take a hit if it means we can offload them and bring in 4 or 5 really good, preferably SQ, players.

by **George Carlin** Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:23 pm

beshocked wrote:flyhalffactory Nigel Wray sold his shares at Domino's Pizza. It's natural that he wants to promote his services. I don't see a problem with that.

Some things at the club I do have a problem with - Nigel Wray and his involvement is not one of them.

Where do you personally draw the line? There has to be a balance between becoming financially liable and not selling one's soul as it were.

I wouldn't say I agree with everything the club does but why would I?

Would you at Edinburgh really turn down a multi million pound sponsorship deal if offered it for example?

I would have Al-Qaeda, Tampax, Deflatine, the Daily Mail, HM Revenue & Customs, Iraqi Airlines, Dave TV, Netta, Pot Noodle and the British National Party as major shirt sponsors if it meant that I wouldn't need to watch Lee Jones on a rugby pitch ever again.

by flyhalffactory Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:28 pm

beshocked wrote:flyhalffactory Nigel Wray sold his shares at Domino's Pizza. It's natural that he wants to promote his services. I don't see a problem with that.

Some things at the club I do have a problem with - Nigel Wray and his involvement is not one of them.

Where do you personally draw the line? There has to be a balance between becoming financially liable and not selling one's soul as it were.

I wouldn't say I agree with everything the club does but why would I?

Would you at Edinburgh really turn down a multi million pound sponsorship deal if offered it for example?

Well let's be honest - who knows more about Saracens? Me or you? I know that Nigel Wray does go to most of the games. Maybe not all I concede but he is a huge fan. Huge sports fan as well - he has a large sports memorabilia. Of course there's self interest too but I don't think Nigel Wray should be demonised.

I am not demonising Wray at all and he is a huge sports fan I agree (was a director of Notts Forest until around 1998, but is he a massive rugby fan ahem..... , but he was a director in Dominos since around 1998 (he bought into Sarries in 1996..... seeing this link are you!), he has made over £130m selling out of the pizza company over the last four years.

Unless you are an Economist working in the city closely linked to commercial sport and in particular rugby union, I know who understands the commercial vehicle that is Sarries RFC better. I haven't got an earthly clue of their playing style or fan base rationale but I can within a short while give you a reasonable feel of the fan based on a demographic basis, I can certainly tell you which umbrella company was used to purchase the overseas contingent, I can tell you the links of Wray and the SA board members and the associated companies. I will go to Watford to the superb Allianz Stadium if ever Edinburgh play Saracens in a rugby competition and will loudly applaud the skills of their world class players as a true fan, and will enjoy the facilities that you guys provide.

The rationale of Wray and his fellow board members is to produce a return on their investment over a set period of time first and foremost, they as competitive individuals crave a project that will see them steer a club to become consistently the best in Europe and if at all possible eventually on a world stage it just so happens this time its in Rugby Union.

by **RDW** Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:29 pm

George Carlin wrote:
beshocked wrote:flyhalffactory Nigel Wray sold his shares at Domino's Pizza. It's natural that he wants to promote his services. I don't see a problem with that.

Some things at the club I do have a problem with - Nigel Wray and his involvement is not one of them.

Where do you personally draw the line? There has to be a balance between becoming financially liable and not selling one's soul as it were.

I wouldn't say I agree with everything the club does but why would I?

Would you at Edinburgh really turn down a multi million pound sponsorship deal if offered it for example?

I would have Al-Qaeda, Tampax, Deflatine, the Daily Mail, HM Revenue & Customs, Iraqi Airlines, Dave TV, Netta, Pot Noodle and the British National Party as major shirt sponsors if it meant that I wouldn't need to watch Lee Jones on a rugby pitch ever again.

Queue gloating weegies coming on here and giving suggestion for ‘suitable’ sponsors for Edinburgh! Sad

by beshocked Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:30 pm

Exactly George Carlin. Money talks. Turning down a huge financial boost would be tough.

I understand the desire to keep one's upstanding image etc but sometimes it's difficult to know where the line should be drawn.

flyhalffactory would you turn down the money?

by flyhalffactory Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:32 pm

George Carlin wrote:
beshocked wrote:flyhalffactory Nigel Wray sold his shares at Domino's Pizza. It's natural that he wants to promote his services. I don't see a problem with that.

Some things at the club I do have a problem with - Nigel Wray and his involvement is not one of them.

Where do you personally draw the line? There has to be a balance between becoming financially liable and not selling one's soul as it were.

I wouldn't say I agree with everything the club does but why would I?

Would you at Edinburgh really turn down a multi million pound sponsorship deal if offered it for example?

I would have Al-Qaeda, Tampax, Deflatine, the Daily Mail, HM Revenue & Customs, Iraqi Airlines, Dave TV, Netta, Pot Noodle and the British National Party as major shirt sponsors if it meant that I wouldn't need to watch Lee Jones on a rugby pitch ever again.

Sorry I will draw the line at the Daily Mail.... notworthy

by **George Carlin** Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:38 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
beshocked wrote:flyhalffactory Nigel Wray sold his shares at Domino's Pizza. It's natural that he wants to promote his services. I don't see a problem with that.

Some things at the club I do have a problem with - Nigel Wray and his involvement is not one of them.

Where do you personally draw the line? There has to be a balance between becoming financially liable and not selling one's soul as it were.

I wouldn't say I agree with everything the club does but why would I?

Would you at Edinburgh really turn down a multi million pound sponsorship deal if offered it for example?

I would have Al-Qaeda, Tampax, Deflatine, the Daily Mail, HM Revenue & Customs, Iraqi Airlines, Dave TV, Netta, Pot Noodle and the British National Party as major shirt sponsors if it meant that I wouldn't need to watch Lee Jones on a rugby pitch ever again.
Queue gloating weegies coming on here and giving suggestion for ‘suitable’ sponsors for Edinburgh!

Not at all. Suitable shirt sponsors for Glasgow would have to be Greggs, Buckfast, Clearasil, Lorne Sausages, Alka Seltzer, the morning after pill and HM Benefits Service. I like to think that I offend everyone equally.

by **RDW** Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:39 pm

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:40 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
beshocked wrote:flyhalffactory Nigel Wray sold his shares at Domino's Pizza. It's natural that he wants to promote his services. I don't see a problem with that.

Some things at the club I do have a problem with - Nigel Wray and his involvement is not one of them.

Where do you personally draw the line? There has to be a balance between becoming financially liable and not selling one's soul as it were.

I wouldn't say I agree with everything the club does but why would I?

Would you at Edinburgh really turn down a multi million pound sponsorship deal if offered it for example?

I would have Al-Qaeda, Tampax, Deflatine, the Daily Mail, HM Revenue & Customs, Iraqi Airlines, Dave TV, Netta, Pot Noodle and the British National Party as major shirt sponsors if it meant that I wouldn't need to watch Lee Jones on a rugby pitch ever again.
Queue gloating weegies coming on here and giving suggestion for ‘suitable’ sponsors for Edinburgh!

Dioralyte?

by beshocked Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:41 pm

flyfactory fair enough. Obviously we know different aspects of the club.

I know Nigel Wray more as a Saracens fan than Nigel Wray the business man though I do agree. Of course he has business interests. Well it looks like you are right. Obviously you do know more about the commercial vehicle than myself. I don't get into the nitty gritty of the board members etc.

I would say yes he is a big Saracens fan. No I don't think it's just a front. You could level that at perhaps Johann Rupert and some of the other guys but not Nigel Wray.

by flyhalffactory Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:42 pm

beshocked wrote:Exactly George Carlin. Money talks. Turning down a huge financial boost would be tough.

I understand the desire to keep one's upstanding image etc but sometimes it's difficult to know where the line should be drawn.

flyhalffactory would you turn down the money?

Its not as simple as would one turn down a cash injection.

I would turn down the money 100% every time if it meant the long term detriment to the sport........... we have had numerous instances of short term investment masking real problems in sporting history (You only have to look at various British football clubs to see that).

And yes Saracens should be worrying about other clubs on a general basis otherwise where would be the interest if clubs slowly became less competitive and go out of existence. The ALL Blacks play Australia and SA (and now Argentina), however if Australia RU continues to go down the pan then it would be detrimental to NZRFU and certainly dilute their fan base. Its a fine balance I know and no real answer

by madmaccas Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:43 pm

beshocked wrote:
madmaccas wrote:
beshocked wrote:
madmaccas wrote:
Dorothy_Mantooth wrote:What! Edinurgh signing another overseas player, surely not?
Yeah we're becoming the Saffacens of the north, without the success.
What have you got your own ground yet? A huge financial backer? Do you come up with unorthodox marketing schemes? Do you have a vocal chairman?

You have a long way to go before being anything like Saracens in all aspects good,bad and ugly.
Not all statements need to be taken 100% literally. I would have thought it obvious that the comparison was limited to the employment of Southern Hemisphere players.
Well it's a derogatory nickname. Not sure how signing players from one country is worse than signing from numerous. Plus Edinburgh is only one of two professional clubs in Scotlands.

It would be more appropriate to call Edinburgh the London Irish of the North.......

I'm not sure where you're getting this London Irish thing from, Saracens are more akin to them as has been pointed out many a time - they should be dubbed "London South African". In fact I think you have more Saffas than London Irish have Irishmen!

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:48 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
beshocked wrote:flyhalffactory Nigel Wray sold his shares at Domino's Pizza. It's natural that he wants to promote his services. I don't see a problem with that.

Some things at the club I do have a problem with - Nigel Wray and his involvement is not one of them.

Where do you personally draw the line? There has to be a balance between becoming financially liable and not selling one's soul as it were.

I wouldn't say I agree with everything the club does but why would I?

Would you at Edinburgh really turn down a multi million pound sponsorship deal if offered it for example?

I would have Al-Qaeda, Tampax, Deflatine, the Daily Mail, HM Revenue & Customs, Iraqi Airlines, Dave TV, Netta, Pot Noodle and the British National Party as major shirt sponsors if it meant that I wouldn't need to watch Lee Jones on a rugby pitch ever again.
Queue gloating weegies coming on here and giving suggestion for ‘suitable’ sponsors for Edinburgh!

I think you will find the word is cue and not queue, as in "aam in the queue for chips and sauce ayyyh", as you chaps in the East say.
Now that you mention it RD quality sponsors of Edinburgh Rugby could be Aeroflot, Village People, Sinclair C5, Diocalm or Trabant Cars !

by Bathite Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:35 pm

Must every single post on this board be about Saracens? sigh

by **RDW** Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:39 pm

This one isn't. Whistle

by TJ Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:30 pm

Nor this one.

I think its fine to get in players on short term contracts like this. the mistake was last year giving journeymen longer deals. If this guy works out - then great. He could be another =Leslie or Metcalfe or even Lineen. If he turns out to be Brendon Laney we can just ship him home again

by justified sinner Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:33 pm

Laney was very good for Embra, just awful for Scotland.

by TJ Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:46 pm

He was? I never thought much of him. The worst sort of mercenary.

by justified sinner Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:53 pm

Thought he was one of our best players back in the early 2000s scored loads of points whether kicking, played 10,12 and 15 with equal effect. Shame we were mucking Mossy about at some of the same time.

by jimbopip Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:36 pm

In the gay community, if such a state of sexual apartheid really exists, a beard is a female friend who goes on dates with a homosexual who is still cosily in his closet. The beard makes him look more masculine, as it were. So...
MFL sign Beard
It was only am matter of time wasn't it?

by **George Carlin** Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:56 am

jimbopip wrote:In the gay community, if such a state of sexual apartheid really exists, a beard is a female friend who goes on dates with a homosexual who is still cosily in his closet. The beard makes him look more masculine, as it were. So...
MFL sign Beard
It was only am matter of time wasn't it?

but obviously also Laugh

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:22 am

Should we aks how you know j-pip?!

by **RDW** Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:44 am

I recently found out from a gay friend that I am classed as a cub in their world. Whatever that means!

by **George Carlin** Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:55 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:I recently found out from a gay friend that I am classed as a cub in their world. Whatever that means!

A junior boy scout? I did hear that Baden-Powell wrote the unfortunately titled "Scouting For Boys".

by **RDW** Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:07 am

I think it's to do with age, weight and amount of hair...I'll leave it to your imagination what a bear is!

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