Has Adam Booth Genuinely Split With Groves - With Poll :)
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Is Groves Still Being Trained By Booth?
Has Adam Booth Genuinely Split With Groves - With Poll :)
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Ok, I know I almost sound a bit crazy, and I know that most of you will call me a nutter. But I don't think that they have split, I don't know why, I think its all a big weird mind game from Booth. He's like training him somewhere in the syberian mountaintops or something, secretly, alone... In like some kind of a place where Bruce Wayne learned how to fight in the newer Batman Begins... I'm telling you.
Booth has master minded this whole thing and come fight night Froch's head will be in tatters and Groves is going to knock it off.
Ok, getting carried away now, but does anyone else think this is true...? only one way to find out.... Poll!!!
Ok, I know I almost sound a bit crazy, and I know that most of you will call me a nutter. But I don't think that they have split, I don't know why, I think its all a big weird mind game from Booth. He's like training him somewhere in the syberian mountaintops or something, secretly, alone... In like some kind of a place where Bruce Wayne learned how to fight in the newer Batman Begins... I'm telling you.
Booth has master minded this whole thing and come fight night Froch's head will be in tatters and Groves is going to knock it off.
Ok, getting carried away now, but does anyone else think this is true...? only one way to find out.... Poll!!!
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:You don't actually know that he does and he was out injured for quite a while so Froch signed up for Groves, the best available at the time.Strongback wrote:Ward is begging for a fight. He even came to the UK for the Kessler fight.Hammersmith harrier wrote:Read what i've written Strongy, the best AVAILABLE opponent.
Best easy nights work more like it.
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Nothing to suggest Groves will be easy.........
TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40681
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Of course Strongy, you just don't like Froch so are making an excuse to play down a prospective win. So you'd have preferred him to fight Ward and Stieglitz neither of whom were available.
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I can't believe that !!Hammersmith harrier wrote:Of course Strongy, you just don't like Froch so are making an excuse to play down a prospective win
TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40681
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Hearn is the one calling the shots. He did a bit of wheeling and dealing to get Groves mandatory and hes clearly been only too eager to get this ppv fight happening. Froch pretty much had to fight him whether he wanted to or not.
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I notice you didn't actually try to argue any of the points I made Strongy; if anyone is reading from a hymn sheet it's you....sadly one which you read from and repeat no matter what...whether it be an article about Haye, Hearn or Groves!Strongback wrote:Ozzy do you have shares in the site?
You do go on as if you own the place.
I don't remember you on the old board.
You give me the impression you're a football fan.
The fight is a mismatch. You can try and justify it and sing from Eddie's hymn sheet but remember to check in here on the Sunday morning for the post fight analysis or more aptly the review of the carnage.
This fight is not justifiable and if that imaginary discussion you have with Eddie ever becomes reality tell him I said he's going to end up looking like Paul O'Grady.owen10ozzy wrote:Hahahahaha! I know very little about boxing?...blimey have I really just heard you say that? Now I have heard everything.
Emotional...not really? Annoyed at your continued presence on these boards despite spouting complete tosh...perhaps.
Lets dissect your rather, as usual, feeble statement/points:
Groves thinking he can win - If he doesn't then I would hazard a guess he is in the wrong sport. Much like people did against DeGale he is being written off...I am pretty sure he will be looking to shut a few people's mouths much like he did then.
PPV - I have stated numerous times that I do not think this is a PPV fight...what I have said is that I think Hearn will at least try to make it a value for money PPV by providing a good card in terms of number of fights on and fighters on show.
Expectations: They come with the territory...just because it is PPV doesn't mean people think higher of Groves or indeed believe he should be winning. In fact on the contrary all it has done is put huge pressure on Froch, especially with his statement regards being the one who sells the tickets etc. This is seen as an easy nights work for Carl, from many on here and the general public. The only one really expecting anything from Groves is probably himself.
Doing nothing to deserve the shot: Much like Cooper against Ali, Haye against Wlad numerous others throughout history. He may not be a World Champion...but he has won British, Commonwealth honours and is ranked 2nd by the WBA, 6th by the IBF & 2nd by the WBO....add to the fact he is the biggest domestic challenge for Froch at this moment in time and it stands to reason why the fight has been made. Clearly any Kessler rematch is on hold and Ward is occupied and perhaps a no go at this moment. In that case name someone else Froch should be going in with?!
And no I don't own shares in the site, I just like to feel I am doing my best to get rid of idiots like yourself. (Jabmachine, apologies for the name calling )
PPV is what is not justifiable, as I have stated (though the blow can be softened by the strength of the undercard) not the fight itself!
I wasn't fussed who won until today, now I would like Groves to pull off the win...so I can check back here and see whether you have scurried off under a rock somewhere..
Instead of repeating yourself with more or less the same retort every time answer the simple question:
Who else is Froch realistically supposed to fight?
Andre Ward: Does he really want it?! If so why won't he travel...the argument he shouldn't have to travel can be used but then why should Froch when he can fight here?
Stieglitz: Yeh he beat Abraham, a washed up version of him who has been beaten by: Dirrell, Froch & Ward ...in fact he has looked like a gatekeeper ever since he stepped up to Super Middle...
Kessler: The guy he just beat...and who many claimed is washed up and a shell of his former self. I guarantee should he have taken that option you would be one of them slaughtering him for doing so.
Re: Has Adam Booth Genuinely Split With Groves - With Poll :)
Although I'd rather Groves was a lot more active until now and so this fight came later in his progression (I believe he is pretty talented technically and able to learn), I don't think it's a terrible fight at this stage.
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Scottrf wrote:Although I'd rather Groves was a lot more active until now and so this fight came later in his progression (I believe he is pretty talented technically and able to learn), I don't think it's a terrible fight at this stage.
PPV worthy
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Changing the goalposts, your issue to start with was not PPV, give some input and insight into this.
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Wouldn't go that far, really they are at a different level. But as a British opponent, after Froch has faced a lot of the division. Groves does have ability, it's just a bit rushed I think.Strongback wrote:PPV worthyScottrf wrote:Although I'd rather Groves was a lot more active until now and so this fight came later in his progression (I believe he is pretty talented technically and able to learn), I don't think it's a terrible fight at this stage.
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One of the earliest posts I made on this thread I mention PPV. On previous threads as well.Hammersmith harrier wrote:Changing the goalposts, your issue to start with was not PPV, give some input and insight into this.
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Of course Ward wants it, he's got nobody to fight. He did fly to England to attend the Froch v Kessler fight to try and make things happen. He called Froch out. He's still calling Froch out. He's had to take a poor fight to stay active. Ward has no problem fighting Froch because he knows he has his number.owen10ozzy wrote:I notice you didn't actually try to argue any of the points I made Strongy; if anyone is reading from a hymn sheet it's you....sadly one which you read from and repeat no matter what...whether it be an article about Haye, Hearn or Groves!Strongback wrote:Ozzy do you have shares in the site?
You do go on as if you own the place.
I don't remember you on the old board.
You give me the impression you're a football fan.
The fight is a mismatch. You can try and justify it and sing from Eddie's hymn sheet but remember to check in here on the Sunday morning for the post fight analysis or more aptly the review of the carnage.
This fight is not justifiable and if that imaginary discussion you have with Eddie ever becomes reality tell him I said he's going to end up looking like Paul O'Grady.owen10ozzy wrote:Hahahahaha! I know very little about boxing?...blimey have I really just heard you say that? Now I have heard everything.
Emotional...not really? Annoyed at your continued presence on these boards despite spouting complete tosh...perhaps.
Lets dissect your rather, as usual, feeble statement/points:
Groves thinking he can win - If he doesn't then I would hazard a guess he is in the wrong sport. Much like people did against DeGale he is being written off...I am pretty sure he will be looking to shut a few people's mouths much like he did then.
PPV - I have stated numerous times that I do not think this is a PPV fight...what I have said is that I think Hearn will at least try to make it a value for money PPV by providing a good card in terms of number of fights on and fighters on show.
Expectations: They come with the territory...just because it is PPV doesn't mean people think higher of Groves or indeed believe he should be winning. In fact on the contrary all it has done is put huge pressure on Froch, especially with his statement regards being the one who sells the tickets etc. This is seen as an easy nights work for Carl, from many on here and the general public. The only one really expecting anything from Groves is probably himself.
Doing nothing to deserve the shot: Much like Cooper against Ali, Haye against Wlad numerous others throughout history. He may not be a World Champion...but he has won British, Commonwealth honours and is ranked 2nd by the WBA, 6th by the IBF & 2nd by the WBO....add to the fact he is the biggest domestic challenge for Froch at this moment in time and it stands to reason why the fight has been made. Clearly any Kessler rematch is on hold and Ward is occupied and perhaps a no go at this moment. In that case name someone else Froch should be going in with?!
And no I don't own shares in the site, I just like to feel I am doing my best to get rid of idiots like yourself. (Jabmachine, apologies for the name calling )
PPV is what is not justifiable, as I have stated (though the blow can be softened by the strength of the undercard) not the fight itself!
I wasn't fussed who won until today, now I would like Groves to pull off the win...so I can check back here and see whether you have scurried off under a rock somewhere..
Instead of repeating yourself with more or less the same retort every time answer the simple question:
Who else is Froch realistically supposed to fight?
Andre Ward: Does he really want it?! If so why won't he travel...the argument he shouldn't have to travel can be used but then why should Froch when he can fight here?
Stieglitz: Yeh he beat Abraham, a washed up version of him who has been beaten by: Dirrell, Froch & Ward ...in fact he has looked like a gatekeeper ever since he stepped up to Super Middle...
Kessler: The guy he just beat...and who many claimed is washed up and a shell of his former self. I guarantee should he have taken that option you would be one of them slaughtering him for doing so.
Abraham is ring worn he's not dead. If Groves defeated Abraham I would consider that a good win. Groves has never been in company as good as the ring worn Abraham. Johnson was clinically dead.
Kessler has faded. He's nothing like the fighter Calzaghe beat or even the shop worn version that defeated Froch in Denmark. Kessler is one of my favourite boxing people and I wouldn't want to see him getting beaten by Froch again as it would be a disservice to his former abilities. Kessler only takes this fight for the retirement money. Prime Kessler is a greater talent than prime Froch.
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Whether Ward wants it or not, the fact is the fight couldn't be made therefore Ward was UNAVAILABLE.
Hearn may or may not have been offering chump change to various challengers or offering poor options on contracts however, the fact he couldn't get a fight signed with any of them makes them UNAVAILABLE.
Once they fail to agree terms, they become UNAVAILABLE...Groves agreed terms, he was AVAIALABLE.
Could they agree terms for Groves to fight Abrahams? Seems not, therefore Abrahams was UNAVAILABLE.
What's so hard to understand STRONGY...oh wait, pretty much everything!
Hearn may or may not have been offering chump change to various challengers or offering poor options on contracts however, the fact he couldn't get a fight signed with any of them makes them UNAVAILABLE.
Once they fail to agree terms, they become UNAVAILABLE...Groves agreed terms, he was AVAIALABLE.
Could they agree terms for Groves to fight Abrahams? Seems not, therefore Abrahams was UNAVAILABLE.
What's so hard to understand STRONGY...oh wait, pretty much everything!
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Groves is a mandatory challenger.
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catchweight wrote:Groves is a mandatory challenger.
Ranked number 6 by the IBF but he's the mandatory. It's not hard to imagine how that happened.
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Think beating Degale is more than enough to deserve a shot these days..........
Can't see Bute beating degale....
Can't see Bute beating degale....
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I think it is a PPV fight, the fight just doesn't happen without PPV. If Groves' team were offered a couple of hundred thousand for the fight it would have been rejected because it just simply isn't worth the risk. Clearly with 20,000 tickets going in 11 minutes theres a massive demand for this fight that warrants PPV. Can understand people complaining about it but some people like Strongback are simply never happy and love a moan, personally I think its one of the most attractive fights out there that gets a lot of peoples pulses racing. Don't like it, don't buy.
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