Where would you rank Amir Khan in the current 140/147lb division?

There has been a lot of negative comments on the Mayweather vs. khan thread re: Khan's lack of apparent worthiness to face Floyd, even though many would agree it's a fight which would most probably be Mayweather's most difficult opponent given Khan's hand speed and boxing ability to fight at range.

I was wondering where everyone rates Khan amongst the current hybrid of 140/147lb fighters (assuming most of these fighters can comfortably make the WW limit).

I'd go for the following:

1. Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao (Marquez got lucky in the last fight)
3. JM Marquez, even though he's 40, he looks like he can now make 147lb.
4. Possibly Khan? Yes, he has lost to Garcia, but in a rematch I feel he would win.
5. Tim Bradley, although he was thoroughly outclassed by Pacquiao and was lucky to win his last fight.
6. Devon Alexander
7. Danny Garcia, I feel the fighters above have a better skill set although he's proved he's no mug in the division.
8. Adrian Broner, still largely untested at the weight but could well be higher.
9. Robert Guerrero
10. Marcos Maidana, feel he has more to his game than just being a crude slugger. His amateur record shows numerous wins other Lucas Matthyse (who I do feel is a crude slugger).

You could argue Khan could be 6 or 7th at worst on that list, but given Pacquiao and Bradley are TR fighters and that Mayweather has already taken Marquez to school for 12 rounds - I can't see why Khan isn't seen as a viable opponent? It's by no means a gimme fight for Floyd as to date Khan has not struggled with any fighters who are considered boxers (Paulie/ Judah/ Kotelnik) as opposed to come forward fighters such as Maidana and Garcia.

Possibly he deserves a bit of a break from 606v2 members?

A very one side look to it, Khan is definitely below Matthyse and Garcia while Marquez didn't get lucky, he was screwed in the 3rd fight then knocked him out in the 4th. I'd have Khan around the 9/10 mark at the moment.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:A very one side look to it, Khan is definitely below Matthyse and Garcia while Marquez didn't get lucky, he was screwed in the 3rd fight then knocked him out in the 4th. I'd have Khan around the  9/10 mark at the moment.

Then rank who comes ahead.

I dont see how you can have Khan above Garcia on an unbiased list. His KO of Khan was not a fluke, I think he had him figured out after a couple of rounds. His win over Matthysse was also impressive. I dont think Garcia gets enough respect on here.

Bradley is undefeated, wins over peterson, Alexander and Manny. You say he was thoroughly outclassed in the Pacman fight but I disagree. I think he lost a reasonably close fight.

So after your top three (Marquez is 2nd for me) and the above guys, the chasing pack consists of Matthysse, Alexander, Khan, Broner, Maidana and Guerrero (Ortiz? Berto?). I would not object to placing these in any particular order. I would have Broner fairly low because he is new to the division(s), and I have yet to be convinced by Matthysse. I would have Alexander above Khan at the moment given how poor Amir has looked recently.

Peterson is a cheat and Im not putting him in a list.

Khan in 4th... Really.

Floyd fan?

I find it amazing anyone could have Khan 4th out of those two division combined. On his performances in the last couple of years he would be lucky to be top ten. I also think you can factor in that Mayweather could fight at light middleweight or try to arrange deals with fighters above. Khan is just a poor choice really. No excuses. If he can fight Alvarez, who weighed 165lbs against him then I dont see why he cant try to make some similar stipulations to Golovkin or Martinez.

Amazing. People wanted Floyd to fight the significantly bigger man in Alvarez. He did and now they are whinging that he wont fight a full blown middleweight!

Im sure that if he beat Golovkin some people on here would start murmuring about Ward.

Based on performances over the last couple of years i would have Khan at number 10 on that list ahead of only Maidana. I can make no case for him being higher than that. I honestly dont think he beats anyone other than Maidana out of them 10 and i would make another Maidana fight a toss up to who wins.

joeyjojo618 wrote:Amazing. People wanted Floyd to fight the significantly bigger man in Alvarez. He did and now they are whinging that he wont fight a full blown middleweight!

Im sure that if he beat Golovkin some people on here would start murmuring about Ward.

If Golovkin agrees to weigh the same as Alvarez did then I dont see any issue. Face it, Khan is a crap fight.

I'd take Guerrero, Matthysse, Garcia, Bradley, Marquez, Thurman, Mayweather, Pacquiao all to beat Khan. And that's just off the top of my head.

Wouldn't bet against Brook beating him either. Khan's best days are behind him I think. Still an exciting fighter and hope to see him in with the ones I have mentioned. He may get a decision over some of them. But I'd take 8 of the 9 I mentioned as favourites right now. Brook probably as the same odds, thats an even fight on paper.

Having him above Garcia just seems plain odd. Beat Khan about as convincingly as you could hope to see and then turned Matthyse over in what most considered to be a shock. Think he can also consider himself wildly fortunate to be above Bradley on current form.

Khan may be the 4th best LWW, but I can't see how an argument stacks up to have him at 4th for LWW and WW combined.

Ahead of him have to be (not in order):

Floyd
Manny
Garcia
Mathyse
Bradley
JMM

Then you've more debatable characters like Broner, who I don't think has done enough even though he certainly has the talent to warrant a higher spot. Khan is in the mix with this next set of guys, including Guerrero, Paulie and Maidana. Though I'd probably have Alexander nicking a spot ahead of him.

There's this American boxer who goes by the name of Andre Ward.

Maybe:

Floyd
Manny
Garcia
Bradley
JMM
Lucas M
Alexander
Khan
Guerrero
Maidana

So I've Khan about 8th.

Scottrf wrote:There's this American boxer who goes by the name of Andre Ward.

And there's an Indian batsman called MS Dhoni. Relevance?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:There's this American boxer who goes by the name of Andre Ward.

And there's an Indian batsman called MS Dhoni. Relevance?

I thought it was a really bad P4P list. Ignore me.

Khan wouldn't be in the top 10.

Mayweather
Marquez
Garcia
Guerrero
Bradley
Matthysse
Alexander
Rios
Alavardo
Pacquiao

All are head of him.

Khan's last two wins are against lightweight contender Carlos Molins and a shot former lightweight world champion Julio Diaz(who got robbed)

Khan's nearing gatekeeper status.

Gerry SA wrote:Khan wouldn't be in the top 10.

Mayweather
Marquez
Garcia
Guerrero
Bradley
Matthysse
Alexander
Rios
Alavardo
Thurman


All are head of him.

Khan's last two wins are against lightweight contender Carlos Molins and a shot former lightweight world champion Julio Diaz(who got robbed)

Khan's nearing gatekeeper status.

Manny not make your Top 10?

Pedro147 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Khan wouldn't be in the top 10.

Mayweather
Marquez
Garcia
Guerrero
Bradley
Matthysse
Alexander
Rios
Alavardo
Pacquiao


All are head of him.

Khan's last two wins are against lightweight contender Carlos Molins and a shot former lightweight world champion Julio Diaz(who got robbed)

Khan's nearing gatekeeper status.

Manny not make your Top 10?

Ok Manny for Thurman...only just tho

1. Mayweather
2. JM Marquez
3. Manny Pacquiao (People still seem to put him in the class he was a few fights ago, clearly his form has decreased and he has lost some speed and movement and when he brought it back in the last fight he threw his defense out the window, hence why Floyd was more open to fighting him. Should he old form come back then he would then replace Marquez at no2)
4. Danny Garcia
5. Amir Khan (have to out him bellow Garcia as he did lose and Garcia has proven to be a worthy champ, that being said if Khan can shake off that defencive flaw that has crept into his last few fights I see him taking a rematch)
6. Tim Bradley (over rated IMO, clearly out boxed by Pacman)
7. Lucas Matthysse ( has huge power and durablity so probebly a threat to any of the top ten but not good enough to be a consistent threat, that being said was a little unlucky when his closed eye in the Garcia fight just as he was begining to impose him self)
8. Devon Alexander
9. Marcos Maidana
10. Robert Guerrero


I think Khan has his haters and certainly his flaws, but he also has allot of talent and when he is on his game he is certainly a world class threat, with age still on his side.

How when he was almost beaten by Diaz do you have Khan above Matthyse, Alexander, Bradley and Guerrero?

Why does the word "haters" get threw out when it comes to Amir Khan?? Just because people don't rate him doesn't mean they hate him.

I don't rate him, but find his fights exciting. From what I see other fighters get called chinny, arrogant etc and you never see the people criticising them get called "haters" . Seems to be a way of discrediting a negative opinion about Khan.

Gerry SA wrote:

Pedro147 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Khan wouldn't be in the top 10.

Mayweather
Marquez
Garcia
Guerrero
Bradley
Matthysse
Alexander
Rios
Alavardo
Pacquiao


All are head of him.

Khan's last two wins are against lightweight contender Carlos Molins and a shot former lightweight world champion Julio Diaz(who got robbed)

Khan's nearing gatekeeper status.

Manny not make your Top 10?

Ok Manny for Thurman...only just tho

Clearly a Khan and Manny hater! lol

I'd like to see Khan in with Guerrero, could be an excellent match up and I can't split them.

I think he loses to Bradley, Alexander and Garcia again. Matthyse would flatten him and I'd pick Alvarado and Rios to turn him over too. Manny, JMM and Floyd are all no-brainers for me.

In a nutshell, he's a long way down on my list. Thurman and Brook could more than have a say too.

I think Guerrero would wipe his ass with Khan

KingMonkey wrote:I'd like to see Khan in with Guerrero, could be an excellent match up and I can't split them.

I think he loses to Bradley, Alexander and Garcia again.  Matthyse would flatten him and I'd pick Alvarado and Rios to turn him over too.  Manny, JMM and Floyd are all no-brainers for me.

In a nutshell, he's a long way down on my list.  Thurman and Brook could more than have a say too.

I see him beat Alexander, close one to call with Bradley, as for Matthyse, that's what everyone said about Maidana.

Khan needs a good win to get his career back on track and prove his WW credentials.

Assuming he gets past Devon then Guerrero would be a great option if his team could pull it off. Wins over Devon and Guerrero would propel him right back up their and with a proper decent claim for a late 2014 fight with Floyd.

Think the Brook fight could be viable and credible too next year.

In fairness Matthyse looks better than Maidana did while Khan has clearly regressed since then. On current form I'd back most top welterweights to beat him.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:How when he was almost beaten by Diaz do you have Khan above Matthyse, Alexander, Bradley and Guerrero?

If you want to rate it like that then how can you have Matthyse above Khan when Matthyse lost to Zab Judah and Khan demolished him?
And Bradly, who has he beat that Khan could not beat (not including the Pacman robbery) Peterson? hmmm?, and as for Guerrero we are talking 147 right?, he has had one good win and then his arse handed to him by Floyd, hardly enough to put him up there as one of the best in the division.

I see Matthyse as a better version of Maidana. I don't see Lucas getting decked by Khan nor letting him off the hook when he wobbles him.

Khan won't look to take on credible opponents before Floyd. If he can get the big one he'll take it which is understandable I guess but also a bit of a shame. Gerrero, Thurman and Brook would all make for excellent fights, far better than anything he could serve up against Floyd.

You're stuck in the past tunes, a lot has changed since those Judah fights and we are talking current form. Khan has 2 losses in his last 4 as well as struggling with Diaz he's quite clearly not one of the divisions best at the moment. Bradley whether you like it or not is undefeated and I'd have him beating Garcia and he wouldn't struggle against Diaz.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:In fairness Matthyse looks better than Maidana did while Khan has clearly regressed since then. On current form I'd back most top welterweights to beat him.

I think regressed may be harsh, he has changed trainers after coming off of a devastating stoppage, its understandable it may take a few fights to get back to his best, but I would not see that as a reason to right him off especially at 26..

Guerrero has 2 good wins at welter. Aydin and Berto.

Plus his resume is a lot more impressive than Khans. He went 12 rounds with Mayweather who is fast and doesn't slow down.

Khan only starts fast and ends up ragged in the 2nd half of a fight. This is where Guerrero would win the fight. He would tie Khan up, bully him, take all his pitter patter punches and dish out his own.

A Bradley fight would go the same way. The only way Khan wins any of these fights is if he does a Rigo vs Donaire and runs like Forest Gump.

This board makes me laugh. Khan almost got beaten by Diaz - the type of opponent he should be walking through, Molina was a low quality opponent too. He's basically gone backwards. Garcia (although i despise his father) needs more credit. A lot more. I was one of his detractors, but he put down the beast of Matthyse and proved his worth. JMM didn't get lucky, that punch was a well aimed sledgehammer, hardly a wide looping hail mary. These rankings are for the most part, silly. Khan has no business near a top 10 of the combined rankings of both LWW and WW. IF he beat Alexander, he'd have a shout but for some reason people are talking about him as if he's beaten anyone in the last 2 years.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:This board makes me laugh. Khan almost got beaten by Diaz - the type of opponent he should be walking through, Molina was a low quality opponent too. He's basically gone backwards. Garcia (although i despise his father) needs more credit. A lot more. I was one of his detractors, but he put down the beast of Matthyse and proved his worth. JMM didn't get lucky, that punch was a well aimed sledgehammer, hardly a wide looping hail mary. These rankings are for the most part, silly. Khan has no business near a top 10 of the combined rankings of both LWW and WW. IF he beat Alexander, he'd have a shout but for some reason people are talking about him as if he's beaten anyone in the last 2 years.

But JM, Khan was winning 6 minutes of a 36 minute fight before Garcia caught him!!!!

And Manny won 3 out of the first 5 rounds before Marquez stopped him.

So that means Khan and Manny deserve to have those defeats overlooked because of the effort they put in.....

*sigh* I know Reborn, its silly. Khan and Manny aren't the fighters they were. Much less Khan. He's gone backwards. I used to like him, but I don't find it exciting to watch a potential car crash, I'm not the type who sits and watches "Americas Dumbest Criminals" and high five my friends when a car hits a barrier like some members of this board must do to enjoy watching Khan.

Some boxers start slow. Garcia needed to work out how to negate Khans speed. Garcia is a bloody good boxer. Look how he dealt with Mathysse. Worked out pretty quickly that being hit was going to hurt so he made Mathysse work more than he ever has to actually land, which in the end knackered him. He was never directly in front. How anyone can rate Khan above Garcia is just...shocking. Bradley for all his faults has proven that he's a legitimate champion and against Provodnikov(?) he proved a lot more than Khan has in the last 2 years.

This doesn't make me a "hater" - it makes me logical. Khan has lost a lot. Bradley and Garcia have never lost. Bradley and Garcia have just come through fantastic fights. Khan has been fighting at a level below and has looked poor.

Come on, its not rocket science.

I enjoy watching Khan. His fights are entertaining.

I'd disagree. He was entertaining when against Maidana, but recently its like watching someone playing chicken with a train. Not for me, because when they get splattered its as if you knew you shouldn't have watched it in the first place.

I would only stay awake to watch Mayweather, Pac, Cotto & Marquez these days because their fights normally mean something.

Would watch Khan the following day after breakfast. Not worth the lack of sleep. But his fights are decent sometimes.

I like Khan. He's very entertaining. But, going on best wins/worst losses/recent form, he's too high on most of the lists posted here. Here's my effort:

1/ Floyd (obviously)
2/ JMM
3/ Garcia
4/ Bradley
5/ Pacquiao
6/ Matthyse
7/ Alexander (wins over Urango, Kotelnik, Maidana, dodgy 'win' over (for me, counted as a loss against) Matthyse, loss to bradley)
8/ Khan (wins over Kotelnik, Paulie, Maidana, Judah - loss to Garcia and close 'loss' to Peterson)
9/ Guerrero
10/ Alvarado/Thurman/Rios?

Broner not done enough at the weight yet.

This is as high as I can put Khan, and that's only because of past achievements. He looks to be on the slide now to be honest. A win over Alexander would have him right back in around 4th/5th, but a loss sees him exit this table imo.

"Broner not done enough at the weight yet."

Apart from win a world title....

He can't be ranked at LWW due to having never fought in that division. But his world title win at welter outdoes Khan's woeful attempt to beat a fat, old, lightweight at welter. So yea, Broner isn't a part of the light welter rankings but he is still a 3 weight world champion. Khan is just the 1 weight. Broner should rank ahead of him for me.

Broners world title win came in a close fight against a guy Khan spanked. Id struggle to hold that up as a much better achievement.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:"Broner not done enough at the weight yet."

Apart from win a world title....

1 fight 1 win at WW doesn't surpass Khan's multitude of wins at LWW (considering this is a combined list). Khan beat the guy Broner beat and was a hell of a lot more impressive in doing so. Broner jumping up to nick a win at a higher weight doesn't make him one of the top fighters in the division.

He is still a 3 weight world champ. Thats 2 weights and one belt more than Khan.

Doesn't make a blind bit of difference how he won it. He still won. He jumped 2 weight divisions to fight at welter. Khan was operating at LWW for a while when he met Paulie.

The point I was making is Broner is a division about Khan and holds a world title. Khan hasnt held a belt since Garcia embarrased him. And even then he was handed the belt back by the WBA after losing to Peterson.

So in terms of achievement at LWW/WW, Khan has done more. But at the minute Broner is a world champion and Khan isn't, and doesn't look to be anytime soon if the Floyd rumours are true.

* and Khan struggled with Diaz who is worse than Paulie, so why doesn't that count against Khan along with 2 loses.

At this moment in time, Broner should be ranked higher due to his status of "world champion". But if Khan wins a belt then I'll concede that he should then go in front. But at the minute he has nothing apart from 2 loses, a win against a lightweight who'd never even sniffed world level and a life and death against a worn out lightweight in Diaz. Thats Khans last few years in a nutshell.

catchweight wrote:Broners world title win came in a close fight against a guy Khan spanked. Id struggle to hold that up as a much better achievement.

The op where would you rank Khan in the CURRENT LWW/WW. Not who has achieved more. Currently Broner is world champ and Khan isn't. You can't claw back Khans best wins from about 3 years ago and use them as current reasons. His loses are more recent.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:"Broner not done enough at the weight yet."

Apart from win a world title....

He can't be ranked at LWW due to having never fought in that division. But his world title win at welter outdoes Khan's woeful attempt to beat a fat, old, lightweight at welter. So yea, Broner isn't a part of the light welter rankings but he is still a 3 weight world champion. Khan is just the 1 weight. Broner should rank ahead of him for me.

One close win over Paulie. That's what he has. They fact that it was for a title doesn't propel him above others. Particularly because Khan destroyed Paulie when they fought. Khan has 4 solid wins at these weights. Broner has one. There is no case for Broner being given a ranking here (well maybe at no.10 - although not for me). I'm sure he'll get there though. He's certainly good enough.

Broners world title means absolutely nothing, he won it off Malignaggi for christ sake, I would say currently Khan ranks comfortably ahead of him. This 3 weight division stuff is again meaningless because two off them were won at weights they aren't being ranked here.

Broner's world title means as much as any other title these days.........and he did go up two divisions to win it.......

A fact because he's so flash.........few give him credit for........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Broner's world title means as much as any other title these days.........and he did go up two divisions to win it.......

A fact because he's so flash.........few give him credit for........

It's a good win (even though it was a disappointing performance) but is it enough to put you in the top ten of the combined divisions? I can't see how. Put it this way, would Paulie have been in anyone's top ten here before the Broner fight? I doubt it.