The Reason Why Deontay Wilder Won't Step Up
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The Reason Why Deontay Wilder Won't Step Up
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Here's a one minute video that tells you all you need to know about Wilder's chin.
Also note the amount of muscle Deontay has 'gained' since his amateur days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Jod1NUZZw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Jod1NUZZw
Here's a one minute video that tells you all you need to know about Wilder's chin.
Also note the amount of muscle Deontay has 'gained' since his amateur days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Jod1NUZZw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Jod1NUZZw
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Tillis lost to Bugner and beats Audley.........
5-6-1 before he fought Bruno.......
Okay..
5-6-1 before he fought Bruno.......
Okay..
TRUSSMAN66- Posts : 40685
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Who are all these top HW fighters Audley has beaten that you're basing this on, Truss.....??
Can't see any reason it won't be the same old Fraudley story. Great chat coming in, looks in great shape, maybe won a PF tourney just before, and then he'll get in the ring, cack his pants, go into his shell and perform miserably.
Can't see any reason it won't be the same old Fraudley story. Great chat coming in, looks in great shape, maybe won a PF tourney just before, and then he'll get in the ring, cack his pants, go into his shell and perform miserably.
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I'm basing it on watching Tillis in the mid 80s.........Meat for hire....
Shame you never saw him........
Shame you never saw him........
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Shame you've never seen Audley fight, apparently.....
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Great, it's like 1-1-10 all over again....... (or whatever rubbish it was you used to trounce out)
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if we ignore the comical prize fighter tournaments audley was 6-6-0 in proper boxing matches coming in against wilder
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i'll ignore the king size d**k..........Mate If you think it improves your case.......Ignore what you like.........compelling and rich wrote:if we ignore the comical prize fighter tournaments audley was 6-6-0 in proper boxing matches coming in against wilder
Might as well say Bruno was 1-1 when he fought Witherspoon..........
Jumbo cummings ??......know what I mean..
Tillis last 12 fights were 5-6-1.......Prizefighter counts on a record but leave it off If you wish.
Harrison still beats Tillis If Bugner did.
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i don't really consider prize fighter proper boxing just like i don't consider two guys in a pub swinging at each other boxing either
hence why i don't put much sway on those fights in anybody's record
hence why i don't put much sway on those fights in anybody's record
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It's a subjective thing.........
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I have to disagree that Harrison beats Tillis. Harrison loses to anyone who he isn't sure he will beat. Savage mental frailty. Firtha is as good a win.
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Re: The Reason Why Deontay Wilder Won't Step Up
Can we please get back to the fact that Wilder sucks...not as much as Harrison but nonetheless, there's nothing special about him and the fact people talk about him as a future Champion says all that needs to be said about the state of the HW division.
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I'm sure he'd beat Tillis in 87............Everybody else did.........He did beat Williams..
who beats Tillis too.
who beats Tillis too.
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This the same Tillis that won 4 out of 10 rounds against a PRIME Tyson?
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Even if you consider Audley was at one time a semi-decent fringe contender (which itself is debatable). The fact is, by the time he fought Wilder, he was nothing more than a tomato can (albeit a recognisable one).
Over 40 years old, coming off injuries and some brutal KO losses.
Over 40 years old, coming off injuries and some brutal KO losses.
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No it's the same Tillis that lost to Bugner before Bruno.......
That old Man...
Toney didn't beat the holy that beat Tyson ...
That old Man...
Toney didn't beat the holy that beat Tyson ...
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There was still life in Aussie joe then truss. Hd could wrestle crocodiles and everything.
Seriously, tillis fought bugner 4 months after fighting Tyson... Must have been one hell of a party going on in between if he suddenly became a tomato can. Or was Tyson a bit over-rated
Seriously, tillis fought bugner 4 months after fighting Tyson... Must have been one hell of a party going on in between if he suddenly became a tomato can. Or was Tyson a bit over-rated
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I don't know if he sucks or not. He hasn't fought anyone of note for us to find out. He's very powerful and aggressive, but until we see how he lasts with a decent contender (Haye, Arreola, Fury, Stiverne, Pulev, Thompson, etc) then we won't know. Pure speculation at this point. But, yes, on putting that list of contenders together, the HW division is in a real state.DAVE667 wrote:Can we please get back to the fact that Wilder sucks...not as much as Harrison but nonetheless, there's nothing special about him and the fact people talk about him as a future Champion says all that needs to be said about the state of the HW division.
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He was 37 Milky........Come on.......
Tillis couldn't punch he was a slapper.......Give audley some credit.........
Tillis couldn't punch he was a slapper.......Give audley some credit.........
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Give audley some credit. That's a big ask to a British fight fan truss. Here goes... he has the balls to keep getting back in the ring, even if he forgets where he put them once he gets there.
I take your point on Bruno and many others, but wilder needs to be stepping it up.
I take your point on Bruno and many others, but wilder needs to be stepping it up.
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Wilder isn't looking to box anytime soon. He gets too much enjoyment out of beating guys up. Hes looking for fights, but he doesnt want to come across a guy whos willing to box him, or capable of it. The main reason people are talking about him is because of his devastating knock outs. I met the guy and hes as thick as they come. They will cash in on his violence as long as they can. Hopefully he will underestimate somebody and get knocked out. Or maybe pick a guy for a fight who turns out to be a better boxer than expected. I think if Tyson Fury boxes like he did against Johnson he beats him on points.
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I saw enough in that 2 minute promo clip of Haye sparring in the build-up to the Fury fight to say that Haye knocks Wilder into the middle of next week.Boxtthis wrote:I don't know if he sucks or not. He hasn't fought anyone of note for us to find out. He's very powerful and aggressive, but until we see how he lasts with a decent contender (Haye, Arreola, Fury, Stiverne, Pulev, Thompson, etc) then we won't know. Pure speculation at this point. But, yes, on putting that list of contenders together, the HW division is in a real state.DAVE667 wrote:Can we please get back to the fact that Wilder sucks...not as much as Harrison but nonetheless, there's nothing special about him and the fact people talk about him as a future Champion says all that needs to be said about the state of the HW division.
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Good call Dave, was a cracking shot on the chin nearly too his grid off.
Haye via 3rd Round KO
Haye via 3rd Round KO
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Yep, certainly got that impression myself.DAVE667 wrote:I saw enough in that 2 minute promo clip of Haye sparring in the build-up to the Fury fight to say that Haye knocks Wilder into the middle of next week.Boxtthis wrote:I don't know if he sucks or not. He hasn't fought anyone of note for us to find out. He's very powerful and aggressive, but until we see how he lasts with a decent contender (Haye, Arreola, Fury, Stiverne, Pulev, Thompson, etc) then we won't know. Pure speculation at this point. But, yes, on putting that list of contenders together, the HW division is in a real state.DAVE667 wrote:Can we please get back to the fact that Wilder sucks...not as much as Harrison but nonetheless, there's nothing special about him and the fact people talk about him as a future Champion says all that needs to be said about the state of the HW division.
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I posted it to show he could get hit in the face and take it. I would imagine the sparing session was based on Wilder coming forward and imposing him self on Haye as Fury would be expected to do, This is not to say if Wilder fought Haye he would be as open and attacking.Champagne_Socialist wrote:From that very short video wilder looks like he wouldn't last 5 rounds with haye, Wilder is missing his shots wildly and getting countered flush in the face.tunes666 wrote:No this was not to the press it was what Fearon said he heard through a friend. And to be fair even if the video of Wilder and Haye sparing Haye caught Wilder clean a couple times and although it looked to bother Wilder he reacted ok, and landed a few of his own..djlovesyou wrote:He's going to say nice stuff about his 'team' though. If you look hard enough, you'll probably find him saying that Richard Towers is good somewhere.tunes666 wrote:I heard from somewhere when Haye was questioned about his sparing with Wilder, someone told Haye we all know Wilder has power, but can he take a shot? Haye was meant to have replied.. "oh he can take a shot" ... Think I heard it of Spencer Fearon on a sky podcast..
look from 1.05 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rhzS1rlOk
Looks like he takes some clean shots, and if anything his flaws look to be by swinging and leaving him self open more then how he reacts to getting hit.
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In sparring gloves with a headguard, not sure he takes a Haye shot on the chin without those aids.
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Headguard doesn't make a KO any less likely, just limits peripheral vision and protects from cuts.
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wilder will be champ if he dont fight fury
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Winchester. Is that you ??
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HAHAHAHA! Was just about to say the same thing Truss!! Brilliant. He is back!!
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There's a kind of cognitive dissonance I have when it comes to Wilder. One one hand, he does have sledgehammer-like power in that right hand. Apart from David Haye, the Klitschko's and Anthony Joshua, he's the only other guy in the heavies who has a genuinely impressive physique - he does look the part and is refreshing in that sense.
However, it's hard to be patient when he's had 30 pro fights and STILL, not faced anybody who can punch back. Or even even if they have a modicum of power, such as Liakhovich, have not shown it in several years. It's not even like he's being remotely tested, either. I mean, 30 pro fights?? Some guys have almost cemented their legacies by that stage. Doing my best to reserve the majority of my judgement until the end of this year (not sure if he is fighting again in 2013), but continuing to put him in with guys who make Jesse Ferguson and Tony Tubbs look invincible in comparison - Just so he can keep the 100% KO ratio, will be beyond insulting if it continues into 2014.
However, it's hard to be patient when he's had 30 pro fights and STILL, not faced anybody who can punch back. Or even even if they have a modicum of power, such as Liakhovich, have not shown it in several years. It's not even like he's being remotely tested, either. I mean, 30 pro fights?? Some guys have almost cemented their legacies by that stage. Doing my best to reserve the majority of my judgement until the end of this year (not sure if he is fighting again in 2013), but continuing to put him in with guys who make Jesse Ferguson and Tony Tubbs look invincible in comparison - Just so he can keep the 100% KO ratio, will be beyond insulting if it continues into 2014.
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Im nearly sure he is supposed to be fight Chris Arreola next.....but until he is actually standing across from him in the ring, I refuse to believe he will fight Arreola.
One of the worst cherry picking situations in years.
Worse that Sven Okkte.
One of the worst cherry picking situations in years.
Worse that Sven Okkte.
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I thought (maybe 'hoped') an Arreola-Perez fight was being lined up next.
Would much rather see that and, as you say, won't believe Wilder is fighting anyone with a pulse until the first punch is thrown in anger in the middle of the ring.
Would much rather see that and, as you say, won't believe Wilder is fighting anyone with a pulse until the first punch is thrown in anger in the middle of the ring.
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Of course it makes it less likely. You got a pillow wrapped around your head.John Bloody Wayne wrote:Headguard doesn't make a KO any less likely, just limits peripheral vision and protects from cuts.
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Dummy, it doesn't stop your brain hitting the INSIDE of your skull.Lumbering_Jack wrote:Of course it makes it less likely. You got a pillow wrapped around your head.John Bloody Wayne wrote:Headguard doesn't make a KO any less likely, just limits peripheral vision and protects from cuts.
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The impact force on the skull is significantly reduced, to be honest I think the AIBA have got their data a little bit wrong here, the mechanics make no sense.
Situation a) You drive into a brick wall at 60mph
Situation b) You drive into a brick wall with a protective foam cover at 60mph
What does more damage?
Situation a) You drive into a brick wall at 60mph
Situation b) You drive into a brick wall with a protective foam cover at 60mph
What does more damage?
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Brain damage is caused by the brain hitting the inside of the skull. When the head is rocked back sharply, that's when the damage is caused. A foamy hat doesn't stop it.
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a temple shot can disorientate an opponent as there and the back of the head has the least amount of protection. a head guard will protect these areas better. it will also take some of the impact of any punch away, the brain will get more rattled around with no protection than with some.
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Wearing a head guard means getting punched in the nose more. The head guard provides a bigger target than just the head obviously and with the head guard on the opponent tends to aim for the centre of that target increasing the number of direct hits to the nose.
I preferred sparring with the better fighters as although they hit you more they had the skill to punch you on the forehead which isn't as sore. They could also pull their punches better so were not taking your head off with a shot.
I preferred sparring with the better fighters as although they hit you more they had the skill to punch you on the forehead which isn't as sore. They could also pull their punches better so were not taking your head off with a shot.
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You ever spar with Jabby ??
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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You ever spar with Jabby ??
I haven't seen 5-3-1 from you in a while.
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The headgear accentuates it by giving a larger area to hit. It only protects you from cuts.DAVE667 wrote:Brain damage is caused by the brain hitting the inside of the skull. When the head is rocked back sharply, that's when the damage is caused. A foamy hat doesn't stop it.
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The force of knocking the head back is reduced by a headguard, I can see no reasonable explanation to suggest that isn't the case.DAVE667 wrote:Brain damage is caused by the brain hitting the inside of the skull. When the head is rocked back sharply, that's when the damage is caused. A foamy hat doesn't stop it.
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I have my own theory that serious injury is more to do with the fighter's ability to take punishment than whether wearing headgear or not.......
My guess is Johnny Owen dies in a ring If he wears a head guard or not.......
You either have a good capacity or not........Headgear is irrelevant for me.
My guess is Johnny Owen dies in a ring If he wears a head guard or not.......
You either have a good capacity or not........Headgear is irrelevant for me.
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This is like watching that Jim Carey movie 'Me, Myself and Irene'.
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It's all relative to neck width and skull thickness but bigger gloves and a headguard reduces the impact force.
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Azania and Hammer are aliases..........apparently....
Is this guy really as dumb as he makes out ??
Is this guy really as dumb as he makes out ??
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The immediate impact is lessened. But the whiplash effect is heightened.Hammersmith harrier wrote:The force of knocking the head back is reduced by a headguard, I can see no reasonable explanation to suggest that isn't the case.DAVE667 wrote:Brain damage is caused by the brain hitting the inside of the skull. When the head is rocked back sharply, that's when the damage is caused. A foamy hat doesn't stop it.
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Is it really, I can't think of the mechanical reasons behind that happening, Whiplash is caused by an excessive force.
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Headgueads give a larger area where impact is spread over a bigger area. According to Peter Hamlin it was the whiplash when Watson hit the ropes that the actual punch which caused the injury.
Also the BMA did a study saying headgear caused more harm. I'll try to find a link. But using a phone to post has its difficulties.
Also the BMA did a study saying headgear caused more harm. I'll try to find a link. But using a phone to post has its difficulties.
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