NZ Herald Rebuttal : Wilkinson Had Mental Health Issues
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NZ Herald Rebuttal : Wilkinson Had Mental Health Issues
Wilkinson "Proved that excessive practice won't make you perfect." Leers the Herald, "but it can drive you crazy."
They go on to mock Wilkinson in their write up of iconic fly halves:"Wilkinson showed hallmarks of obsessive behaviour veering towards mental illness and he acknowledged performing acts of self harm. "
I wonder if Clive is reading?
"He opened a window on fear-based obsession" they chide.
Wow. Someone touched a nerve.
As a fair minded rugby fan of NZ persuasion I feel compelled to distance myself from these bitter remarks. He was and still is a fine player and that kind of gutter talk smacks of cheap journalistic envy.
They go on to mock Wilkinson in their write up of iconic fly halves:"Wilkinson showed hallmarks of obsessive behaviour veering towards mental illness and he acknowledged performing acts of self harm. "
I wonder if Clive is reading?
"He opened a window on fear-based obsession" they chide.
Wow. Someone touched a nerve.
As a fair minded rugby fan of NZ persuasion I feel compelled to distance myself from these bitter remarks. He was and still is a fine player and that kind of gutter talk smacks of cheap journalistic envy.
GloriousEmpire- Posts : 4411
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this is not a nice thread, GE. i know some people who have mental health issues and suffer from depression and bipolar disorders, and i dont think it's an appropriate topic to be making fun of.
if the article is as you suggest i actually think that's pretty shocking and irresponsible. while wilkinson is english, i bet there are lots of people in NZ who struggle with mental health issues who wouldnt find that article quite so amusing.
if the article is as you suggest i actually think that's pretty shocking and irresponsible. while wilkinson is english, i bet there are lots of people in NZ who struggle with mental health issues who wouldnt find that article quite so amusing.
quinsforever- Posts : 6765
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Yep. I agree. Poor taste. Shocking article. Let me get the link...
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11157926
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11157926
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Not the best things said about JW in that article but it was a decent read. I went straight on to YouTube afterwards and watched two of my favourite 10's ever in Mark Ella and Grant Fox.
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Stupid comments under wilkos space...saw this though...
"The All Blacks want to present Carter with a cap to commemorate his century of appearances, but initially the RFU said they wouldn't allow that. They didn't want the presentation to be on the field.
They are understood to have backed down now and Carter should be able to receive his cap in full view."
Well thats good of them...wonder if they would have had second thoughts if it was Johnson or Wilko...
"The All Blacks want to present Carter with a cap to commemorate his century of appearances, but initially the RFU said they wouldn't allow that. They didn't want the presentation to be on the field.
They are understood to have backed down now and Carter should be able to receive his cap in full view."
Well thats good of them...wonder if they would have had second thoughts if it was Johnson or Wilko...
Taylorman- Posts : 12343
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One rule for the all blacks another for everybody else
wrfc1980- Posts : 440
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why should the RFU allow him to be presented with a cap? home rules.
anyway, i anticipate Lawes giving him something memorable for the occasion...
anyway, i anticipate Lawes giving him something memorable for the occasion...
quinsforever- Posts : 6765
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What's the protocol with that? Does it normally happen for away sides when a player reaches a milestone?Taylorman wrote:Stupid comments under wilkos space...saw this though...
"The All Blacks want to present Carter with a cap to commemorate his century of appearances, but initially the RFU said they wouldn't allow that. They didn't want the presentation to be on the field.
They are understood to have backed down now and Carter should be able to receive his cap in full view."
Well thats good of them...wonder if they would have had second thoughts if it was Johnson or Wilko...
I think it would be a nice gesture, but I guess the home side controls what happens. I can't see that it would give NZ any edge to give Carter his moment.
Hartley wins his 50th cap tomorrow.
Cyril- Posts : 7162
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silly comment. no they wouldnt have had second thoughts as wilko and johnno are...ENGLISH.Taylorman wrote:Stupid comments under wilkos space...saw this though...
"The All Blacks want to present Carter with a cap to commemorate his century of appearances, but initially the RFU said they wouldn't allow that. They didn't want the presentation to be on the field.
They are understood to have backed down now and Carter should be able to receive his cap in full view."
Well thats good of them...wonder if they would have had second thoughts if it was Johnson or Wilko...
carter isnt.
lets hope that SKY just edit it out for us. i think it's quite enough that the ABs get to do the haka without giving presents to their players on pitch too. what next, bunch of flowers and a box of friggin chocolates?
quinsforever- Posts : 6765
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there is no protocol. but pathetic examples of an away side whining like this will create more unnecessary precedents, and the pre-match dances, awards etc are going to become more and more common.Cyril wrote:What's the protocol with that? Does it normally happen for away sides when a player reaches a milestone?Taylorman wrote:Stupid comments under wilkos space...saw this though...
"The All Blacks want to present Carter with a cap to commemorate his century of appearances, but initially the RFU said they wouldn't allow that. They didn't want the presentation to be on the field.
They are understood to have backed down now and Carter should be able to receive his cap in full view."
Well thats good of them...wonder if they would have had second thoughts if it was Johnson or Wilko...
I think it would be a nice gesture, but I guess the home side controls what happens. I can't see that it would give NZ any edge to give Carter his moment.
Hartley wins his 50th cap tomorrow.
FFS, is this rugby or strictly come dancing?
quinsforever- Posts : 6765
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so do they not award 100th caps on the field during the match..?
or is it not seen as a milestone?
or is it not seen as a milestone?
Taylorman- Posts : 12343
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rugby is war. its tribal. nz know this better than anyone.
leave the group hugs til after, or in the pub, or when you are the home team as that wold be perfectly understandable war psychology.
leave the group hugs til after, or in the pub, or when you are the home team as that wold be perfectly understandable war psychology.
quinsforever- Posts : 6765
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it's like singing swing low during the haka. perfectly acceptable tribal warlike behaviour, just like the haka. and after last year's victory, i predict the singing is going to be very very loud this year.
especially as that may be the last thing the Eng fans get to enjoy tmrw!
especially as that may be the last thing the Eng fans get to enjoy tmrw!
quinsforever- Posts : 6765
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every cap is a milestone. 100caps is 100 milestones, which is a milestone of milestones. what piss1s me off is the fact that nzru asked if they could do it on field then obviously leaked it when they were told no. that is what is pathetic.quinsforever wrote:there is no protocol. but pathetic examples of an away side whining like this will create more unnecessary precedents, and the pre-match dances, awards etc are going to become more and more common.Cyril wrote:What's the protocol with that? Does it normally happen for away sides when a player reaches a milestone?Taylorman wrote:Stupid comments under wilkos space...saw this though...
"The All Blacks want to present Carter with a cap to commemorate his century of appearances, but initially the RFU said they wouldn't allow that. They didn't want the presentation to be on the field.
They are understood to have backed down now and Carter should be able to receive his cap in full view."
Well thats good of them...wonder if they would have had second thoughts if it was Johnson or Wilko...
I think it would be a nice gesture, but I guess the home side controls what happens. I can't see that it would give NZ any edge to give Carter his moment.
Hartley wins his 50th cap tomorrow.
FFS, is this rugby or strictly come dancing?
quinsforever- Posts : 6765
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Only Jason Leonard has over 100 caps for England. He got to run out first but I can't recall a presentation.
Anyone know what happened with any other NH players in the professional era?
Anyone know what happened with any other NH players in the professional era?
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leonard got his 100th cap by being subbed on as blood substitute for 2 mins...
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take that back...wiki says it was against france in 2003 6N
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what a pathetic article that was, poor poor journo. Wilkinsons depression came from being constantly injured, nothing to do with his obsession of practicing.
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It wasn't great, was it? Still, it provided GE with another opportunity to put the cat among the pigeonsnathan wrote:what a pathetic article that was, poor poor journo. Wilkinsons depression came from being constantly injured, nothing to do with his obsession of practicing.
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Mental health issues are a part of all of us. No doubt at times Wilkinson was a tortured soul. His obsessive nature made him the player he was. He seems to have found more peace in recent years.
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It had nothing to do with him being obsessed with rugby, it was purely because of all the injuries.TJ wrote:Mental health issues are a part of all of us. No doubt at times Wilkinson was a tortured soul. His obsessive nature made him the player he was. He seems to have found more peace in recent years.
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quick question, what do you mean by that?GloriousEmpire wrote:Wilkinson "Proved that excessive practice won't make you perfect." Leers the Herald, "but it can drive you crazy."
They go on to mock Wilkinson in their write up of iconic fly halves:"Wilkinson showed hallmarks of obsessive behaviour veering towards mental illness and he acknowledged performing acts of self harm. "
I wonder if Clive is reading?
"He opened a window on fear-based obsession" they chide.
Wow. Someone touched a nerve.
As a fair minded rugby fan of NZ persuasion I feel compelled to distance myself from these bitter remarks. He was and still is a fine player and that kind of gutter talk smacks of cheap journalistic envy.
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nathan, don't expect a reply. It's just GE point-scoring. This time he's using mental health rather than homophobia or the next thing that comes into his head.
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stupid stupid article written by a stupid stupid man
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+1Looseheaded wrote:stupid stupid article written by a stupid stupid man
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If Wilko did have mental health issues and the herald did joke about them, then that's repugnant on their behalf. Illness is not a joke
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It's difficult to say whether they were actually 'joking' but when you've got a paragraph on each fly-half and they decide to dedicate half of Jonny's write-up to that it makes you wonder why they decided to do it.ChequeredJersey wrote:If Wilko did have mental health issues and the herald did joke about them, then that's repugnant on their behalf. Illness is not a joke
Pretty sickening to be honest.
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It's an article by Rattue. He's NZ's answer to Stephen Jones. Enough said.
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that is a typically pathetic response canelion. you are excusing his writing by comparing it to someone else. so hitler was europe's answer to genghis khan. so that makes it all ok.
you are a sad apologist for an embittered, angry, reformed-alcoholic journalist.
you are a sad apologist for an embittered, angry, reformed-alcoholic journalist.
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That article deserves no credibility. Maybe a thread like this illustrates how damage can be done without ever meeting and assessing a person. I know a few of the docs who work for Toulon. They all rave about what a terrific and grounded young man he is.
This author of this toilet tissue article and all of us here have so much less contact with this fine young man to even venture a guess. Yet he is still he is accused of behaviour 'quirks'.
Shocking.
Pathetic.
Virtually libelous.
And he seems the type to let it all roll off his back.
But his teammate Carl Heyman is a nice big boy who will one day return to NZ. Hopefully he places a visit to this p.o.s.
This author of this toilet tissue article and all of us here have so much less contact with this fine young man to even venture a guess. Yet he is still he is accused of behaviour 'quirks'.
Shocking.
Pathetic.
Virtually libelous.
And he seems the type to let it all roll off his back.
But his teammate Carl Heyman is a nice big boy who will one day return to NZ. Hopefully he places a visit to this p.o.s.
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Take a deep breath mate. I'm not apologizing for him, or justifying him. In my opinion the guys a *%^&er. He's a wind up merchant. The purpose of many of his posts appears to be to polarise readers and get a response. The only reason I raised Jones is I think he is similar and I hoped anyone reading the site would recognize that I'm saying don't take the guy seriously. To equate him with Stephen Jones is about as cutting a comment as I could make (I detest him as a journalist). Mental health is a serious issue. My best mate is a former international athlete who struggles with bipolar disorder. I'm dealing with another friend who is depressed and may be borderline suicidal because of bad decisions he's made recently. I'm well aware of implications of belittling depression.quinsforever wrote:that is a typically pathetic response canelion. you are excusing his writing by comparing it to someone else. so hitler was europe's answer to genghis khan. so that makes it all ok.
you are a sad apologist for an embittered, angry, reformed-alcoholic journalist.
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Gethin Jenkins get's his 100 the same day Taylor, not sure what will happen at the MS.Taylorman wrote:so do they not award 100th caps on the field during the match..?
or is it not seen as a milestone?
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Cyril wrote:It wasn't great, was it? Still, it provided GE with another opportunity to put the cat among the pigeonsnathan wrote:what a pathetic article that was, poor poor journo. Wilkinsons depression came from being constantly injured, nothing to do with his obsession of practicing.![]()
And didnt the pigeons fly.,..
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I don't think you should mock people with anger managment issues and a reformed alcoholic should be congratulated and supported and not denigrated for an addiction. If you don't like his writing attack the writing not the man old chap.quinsforever wrote:that is a typically pathetic response canelion. you are excusing his writing by comparing it to someone else. so hitler was europe's answer to genghis khan. so that makes it all ok.
you are a sad apologist for an embittered, angry, reformed-alcoholic journalist.
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Just wow...nganboy wrote:I don't think you should mock people with anger managment issues and a reformed alcoholic should be congratulated and supported and not denigrated for an addiction. If you don't like his writing attack the writing not the man old chap.quinsforever wrote:that is a typically pathetic response canelion. you are excusing his writing by comparing it to someone else. so hitler was europe's answer to genghis khan. so that makes it all ok.
you are a sad apologist for an embittered, angry, reformed-alcoholic journalist.
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I know...nathan wrote:Just wow...nganboy wrote:I don't think you should mock people with anger managment issues and a reformed alcoholic should be congratulated and supported and not denigrated for an addiction. If you don't like his writing attack the writing not the man old chap.quinsforever wrote:that is a typically pathetic response canelion. you are excusing his writing by comparing it to someone else. so hitler was europe's answer to genghis khan. so that makes it all ok.
you are a sad apologist for an embittered, angry, reformed-alcoholic journalist.
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To be fair, ngan is pointing out that bringing up "reformed alcoholic" is inappropriate and hypocritical. The main point should be that a) Rattue has acted revoltingly
B) he is an awful writer and journalist and has been for years and in the opinion of every person, kiwi and non-kiwi, whose opinion I know on the matter
C) being a terrible journalist, especially a borderline libellous one willing to almost lie to provide the story they want, should in my opinion result in one having one's licence to write for a national newspaper or journal indefinitely revoked. Poor journalism in sports is mostly just annoying but it is journalism nonetheless and I am of the opinion that poor journalism is every bit as dangerous and should be every bit as clamped down on as poor medical practice.
B) he is an awful writer and journalist and has been for years and in the opinion of every person, kiwi and non-kiwi, whose opinion I know on the matter
C) being a terrible journalist, especially a borderline libellous one willing to almost lie to provide the story they want, should in my opinion result in one having one's licence to write for a national newspaper or journal indefinitely revoked. Poor journalism in sports is mostly just annoying but it is journalism nonetheless and I am of the opinion that poor journalism is every bit as dangerous and should be every bit as clamped down on as poor medical practice.
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What about Orson Scott Card? The writing's fine, if that's your cup of tea, but the man himself and his views invite attack.
I think people are getting overheated on this thread. It's a contemptible piece and Rattue stepped way over the mark to prove a point about a harmless point with a misleading title in the English press. No one can or has to defend Rattue on this one. He dug his hole and now he must lie in it. Unfortunately the coverage he receives for this will be misinterpreted as a justification and the same bilge will be dredged up again in the future.
Today is a match both sides have been looking forward to. Let's not give idiots like Rattue any more attention.
I think people are getting overheated on this thread. It's a contemptible piece and Rattue stepped way over the mark to prove a point about a harmless point with a misleading title in the English press. No one can or has to defend Rattue on this one. He dug his hole and now he must lie in it. Unfortunately the coverage he receives for this will be misinterpreted as a justification and the same bilge will be dredged up again in the future.
Today is a match both sides have been looking forward to. Let's not give idiots like Rattue any more attention.
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That is even low for the herald... Disgusting
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Sorry quins, I think your response may be a case of 'two wrongs...' GE had it right in his OP. An awful piece that diminishes the author, any right-minded person, Kiwi or otherwise, can see that.quinsforever wrote:that is a typically pathetic response canelion. you are excusing his writing by comparing it to someone else. so hitler was europe's answer to genghis khan. so that makes it all ok.
you are a sad apologist for an embittered, angry, reformed-alcoholic journalist.
Shall we pretend it hasn't happened and move onto something else?
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I should confess, I skim-read it. Looking again it was marginally more even handed than I gave credit. I think it was completely unnecessary to mention JW's record in the context of his mental health though, very poor form.Hood83 wrote:Sorry quins, I think your response may be a case of 'two wrongs...' GE had it right in his OP. An awful piece that diminishes the author, any right-minded person, Kiwi or otherwise, can see that.quinsforever wrote:that is a typically pathetic response canelion. you are excusing his writing by comparing it to someone else. so hitler was europe's answer to genghis khan. so that makes it all ok.
you are a sad apologist for an embittered, angry, reformed-alcoholic journalist.
Shall we pretend it hasn't happened and move onto something else?
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Not what you could call a completely balanced piece but at least you provided your source this time so we can see which parts of the quote you've left out.
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mate - agree.ChequeredJersey wrote:To be fair, ngan is pointing out that bringing up "reformed alcoholic" is inappropriate and hypocritical. The main point should be that a) Rattue has acted revoltingly
B) he is an awful writer and journalist and has been for years and in the opinion of every person, kiwi and non-kiwi, whose opinion I know on the matter
C) being a terrible journalist, especially a borderline libellous one willing to almost lie to provide the story they want, should in my opinion result in one having one's licence to write for a national newspaper or journal indefinitely revoked. Poor journalism in sports is mostly just annoying but it is journalism nonetheless and I am of the opinion that poor journalism is every bit as dangerous and should be every bit as clamped down on as poor medical practice.
Nothing to add.
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I was struck by the similarity between the author here and the author in NZ. Intent of both articles, style of abuse... Are they related?
Oh, and I seem to recall being told that Rattue started out in these islands and emigrated to NZ. Is that true? Or are NZ entirely responsible for him?
Oh, and I seem to recall being told that Rattue started out in these islands and emigrated to NZ. Is that true? Or are NZ entirely responsible for him?
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My main concern with this is that it seems to imply that Wilkinsons practice sessions were so obsessive as to be symptoms of a mental illness. That is a very lazy assumption and very probably untrue.
There's a hell of a massive difference between obsessively practicing a skill to be the best and an obsessive compulsive disorder, which is what he implies. An obsessive compulsive disorder is when you must repeat certain tasks to reduce a debilitating amount of anxiety and intrusive thoughts and potentially irrational beliefs (i.e. I must turn the lights on and off multiple times or my parents will die). The compulsions and obsessive rituals OCD sufferers often go through are just a symptom of their illness, a psychological coping mechanism to help them get through the awful way that they are feeling and giving them a way to distract themselves from unwanted, intrusive thoughts.
Just being obsessive as a personality trait isn't enough to be OCD, and there is no evidence that JW wanted to do anything other than be the best goal kicker in world rugby. Of course being obsessive about something can make you vulnerable psychologically when your ability to do that thing is taken away. He did suffer from depression related to the injuries he suffered and the mental pressure he put on himself to recover and his blog on it is well worth a read; I wish the NZ Herald had done the same.
http://www.time-to-change.org.uk/blog/jonny-wilkinson-%E2%80%93-physical-and-mental-battle-sporting-hero
Depression often happens when we have things in our life we can't control that stand in the way of what we perceive we need to be happy. When those negative thoughts lead to other negative thoughts about our selves and our situation, we get into a vicious cycle of negativity and that can lead to clinical depression which is a very serious condition. From reading Wilkinsons blog it seems like that is exactly what happened to him and I think it's brilliant that he's spoken out about it and raised awareness.
Whilst this hasn't been a positive thread I think its a good chance to set the record straight on mental health in Sport! All professions with huge amounts of pressure have higher than average incidences of MH problems and sport is no different.
There's a hell of a massive difference between obsessively practicing a skill to be the best and an obsessive compulsive disorder, which is what he implies. An obsessive compulsive disorder is when you must repeat certain tasks to reduce a debilitating amount of anxiety and intrusive thoughts and potentially irrational beliefs (i.e. I must turn the lights on and off multiple times or my parents will die). The compulsions and obsessive rituals OCD sufferers often go through are just a symptom of their illness, a psychological coping mechanism to help them get through the awful way that they are feeling and giving them a way to distract themselves from unwanted, intrusive thoughts.
Just being obsessive as a personality trait isn't enough to be OCD, and there is no evidence that JW wanted to do anything other than be the best goal kicker in world rugby. Of course being obsessive about something can make you vulnerable psychologically when your ability to do that thing is taken away. He did suffer from depression related to the injuries he suffered and the mental pressure he put on himself to recover and his blog on it is well worth a read; I wish the NZ Herald had done the same.
http://www.time-to-change.org.uk/blog/jonny-wilkinson-%E2%80%93-physical-and-mental-battle-sporting-hero
Depression often happens when we have things in our life we can't control that stand in the way of what we perceive we need to be happy. When those negative thoughts lead to other negative thoughts about our selves and our situation, we get into a vicious cycle of negativity and that can lead to clinical depression which is a very serious condition. From reading Wilkinsons blog it seems like that is exactly what happened to him and I think it's brilliant that he's spoken out about it and raised awareness.
Whilst this hasn't been a positive thread I think its a good chance to set the record straight on mental health in Sport! All professions with huge amounts of pressure have higher than average incidences of MH problems and sport is no different.
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When discussing an individual and mental traits and/or issues one most understand there are infinite causes and infinite conditions.
Pigeonholeing individuals isn't helpfull to individuals
Pigeonholeing individuals isn't helpfull to individuals
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Re: NZ Herald Rebuttal : Wilkinson Had Mental Health Issues
Besides we play Rugby. We are all effing nuts. Let's end this discussion. Goes nowhere, really.mystiroakey wrote:When discussing an individual and mental traits and/or issues one most understand there are infinite causes and infinite conditions.
Pigeonholeing individuals isn't helpfull to individuals
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