Season 6 Homepage II

by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 18 Nov 2013, 4:31 pm

First topic message reminder :

Breaking News: Falcons get back amongst the playoff contenders with a win over rivals Sale while the top two begin to draw away from the rest of the pack.

Season 6 Homepage II - Page 12 Aviva-Premiership-Trophy-e1306508139154

2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons
2009/2010 – Saracens
2008/2009 - London Irish

POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Leicester Tigers	12	10	0	2	305	268	37	34	23	1	2	43
2	London Wasps #	12	10	0	2	300	266	34	30	23	1	2	42
3	Northampton Saints #	12	7	1	4	300	293	7	29	28	1	4	34
4	Sale Sharks #	12	6	3	3	307	294	13	31	26	1	3	32
5	Gloucester	12	6	1	5	294	279	15	28	25	1	5	31
6	Newcastle Falcons	12	5	3	4	290	293	-3	25	27	0	4	30
7	Harlequins #	12	5	2	5	304	297	7	31	27	2	5	29
8	London Irish #	12	5	1	6	301	280	21	32	26	1	6	27
9	Worcester Warriors #	12	3	3	6	274	297	-23	24	28	0	5	22
10	Saracens	12	3	1	8	247	273	-26	21	25	1	7	22
11	Exeter Chiefs	12	1	2	9	267	288	-21	21	28	0	9	17
12	Bath Rugby #	12	2	1	9	253	312	-59	23	35	0	7	13

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Welcome to Season 6 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1991.

Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.
Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Domestic Transfer Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on its own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.

Structured Window

No cash will be used and each team will get effectively free transfers by way of a draft, which will run 12th, 11th, 10th …… 1st, 12th, 11th,10th… 1st place side. This will run from 10th June 2013 until all teams have had their two picks.

Open Window

Open transfer window, teams have unlimited bids provided they have the financial resources to cover them. Teams may only bid for one player at a time.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the Domestic Transfer Bidding page.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 20:00 hours on Saturday. Managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box. If you are not providing a descriptive prediction you will be restricted to predicting a 1 point win either way.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by Guest Tue 07 Jan 2014, 4:22 pm

Driver wrote:Surprised you had Hudson in over Savage Matt.

Hudson was 3rd choice for us this year , didn't offer him a new deal as he's getting on a bit but kept Carlo Del Fava.

As bad as Hudson has been driver you need a middle jumper so reluctantly had to leave savage out. Savage has been out performed by stooke so will find it tough to get back in.

I had 36 in over Burns at ten as well as we have looked better with him there. Mills before injury was better than 36 was at 12 for us. Basically picked the team that has been best for us

by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Jan 2014, 4:23 pm

Perenise was decent for Bath v Tigers who don't have a bad scrum themselves

by stnick88 Tue 07 Jan 2014, 4:24 pm

Its all rumours so far nothing concrete

by Fluxy Tue 07 Jan 2014, 4:31 pm

Never rated Godman, so not exactly surprised by how he has played for Falcons!

I was apprehensive about Blair but his experience is useful.

Would love Russell to use his links and bring in someone like Slade.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 4:34 pm

I'd have Burns/36 over 36/Mills every time.

36 is an average 10 and Mills not great at all.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 4:36 pm

Godman is bloody awful, worst 10 in the AP by far.

Love to see Hodgson given a chance but he's not fancied at sll

by Guest Tue 07 Jan 2014, 4:41 pm

Mills is best 12
We have. Shame he got injured again. England are really keen on him and he would have got a Saxons spot but for injury.

36 defends 12 channel poorly and teams know he is weak there. At ten for us he has looked so much better.

Burns form this year has meant he would struggle to get in any AP side on current form. Burns will come again as he is quality. Think a move will benefit him.

I watch most glos games and I would think most fans who watch glos would have 36 and mills above burns 36 combo on this years form

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 4:57 pm

You think Mills is a better player than 36?

by Guest Tue 07 Jan 2014, 5:21 pm

For gloucester at 12 yes.

36 been poor for gloucester at 12. Played at 10 he has been great.

36 has not really worked out at glos. He is not a great defender and neither is burns so it's an issue. Mills is a much better defender than 36.

If 36 played for gloucester like he did for Leicester then he would be a top signing.

Think long term if he can get over his injury woes mills and hill from Exeter will fight it out to be long term England centre options

by Guest Tue 07 Jan 2014, 5:22 pm

To be fair it must be the environment at glos.
Morgan kvesic and 36 not worked out that well for us.

Players move to us
And go backwards

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 5:24 pm

Can't agree Mills is a better defender than 36.

I've never understood this not rating of 36, he's had a few bad games agreed but he's had some cracking games too.

He's 10 x the player Mills is.

by Fluxy Tue 07 Jan 2014, 5:28 pm

Not to join the bandwagon, but I've never rated him myself. Decent club player, but not what England needs I think.

by **Ozzy3213** Tue 07 Jan 2014, 5:36 pm

36 blows hot and cold for me. Seen him have some stormers, but also seen him have an equal amount of stinkers. Needs to nail some consistency.

by Guest Tue 07 Jan 2014, 5:48 pm

Fluxy wrote:Not to join the bandwagon, but I've never rated him myself. Decent club player, but not what England needs I think.

12 is our Achilles heel. I think that's why the England management have taken such an interest in mills and hill.

36 and kvesic have played themselves out of England selection at glos this year for me.

Kvesic has gone backwards alarmingly. Gives penalties away for silly things and does not compete at all on the deck. Not the player he was for wuss.

I don't understand what happens when they come to glos

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 5:51 pm

What interest have England took in Mills & Hill?

by **Ozzy3213** Tue 07 Jan 2014, 5:58 pm

Sam Hill is definitely on Lancaster's radar. He's spoken about him and I am sure he was in the extended list of about 80 players that he wanted to monitor when he took over.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 6:09 pm

I really like Hill, has a great all round skill set. I just think he's a little small to be a top player

by **Ozzy3213** Tue 07 Jan 2014, 6:21 pm

Wikipedia has him close to 16 stone and the Chiefs website has him at 15 and a half. I'm not convinced that he's as big as that, but even if he's 14 and half to 15 stone at 20 years old, he's big enough for a 12 and still has time to bulk up a bit as well.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 6:55 pm

Yea he's still a boy.

These weights posted are garbage, Daly is down as 15st and he's little more than 13st imo

by dammit_chris Tue 07 Jan 2014, 8:43 pm

Think you might be a little obsessed with Daly's weight...

Ryan Mills is best young no12 we've got by some distance, but at Gloucester not sure what sort of platform he will get to play off of to really show how good he is. Like the look of Ollie Deveto at Bath, he's been getting quite a lot of game time from the bench, keeping Henson and Heathcote away - v clever player.

Twelvetrees has all the ability and skill set, but just seems to be lacking something that will let him turn all that into an international class centre - had his chance to stake the England shirt this Autumn, but I'd be amazed if Barritt didnt walk back into it.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 8:54 pm

I've stood next to Daly and he's pretty much my build, he's nowhere near 15st.

How is Mills the best young 12 we have? What has he done to prove this? He's looked nothing past average in a Gloucester jersey.

People tend to get massivley carried away with potential rather than actual proven quality, I find it bizarre.

The calls for Watson and Nowell to be starting England wing are a perfect example, neither are anywhere near good enough. They've got about 1 try in 40 games between them!

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 8:56 pm

Deveto is a talent but he's so flakey it's untrue. He's a young kid so expected but he's turd under the high ball and has very little defence.

He makes Johnny May look like Lydiate.

by stnick88 Tue 07 Jan 2014, 8:58 pm

Have to agree. Id take watson over nowell though. think both are a fair way off yarde. And may looks better than those two also in terms of being a complete player

by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Jan 2014, 9:36 pm

Yarde ahead now but Nowell and Watson for me have the potential to be much better than Yarde.

by Fluxy Tue 07 Jan 2014, 10:08 pm

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:Adding to the above all squads should be at the correct size by Feb 8th and DOBs for all academy players should be listed. If a DOB is not available then links to recent youth representation should be listed.

Bids will not be accepted until this is done.

No issue with people being on the limit and waiting for bids to be accepted before releasing players but you must not be above the limit.

Don't know if this is a silly question. But if you have someone in the academy squad that was underage before the start of the season and their birthday takes them over the age of the academy. Does that mean they can stay in the squad until the end of the season, or they then have to be promoted?

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 10:09 pm

What makes you think Nowell or Watson have the potential to be much better than Yarde?

This potential thing drives me mad. Yarde has looked fantastic in the Int stage and bagged tries for fun in the AP, he's only a year older than Nowell who has done nothing of note.

It's the grass is always greener issue we have in the UK. We're obsessed introducing the younger option rather than building a team.

by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 07 Jan 2014, 10:13 pm

Fluxy wrote:
SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:Adding to the above all squads should be at the correct size by Feb 8th and DOBs for all academy players should be listed. If a DOB is not available then links to recent youth representation should be listed.

Bids will not be accepted until this is done.

No issue with people being on the limit and waiting for bids to be accepted before releasing players but you must not be above the limit.

Don't know if this is a silly question. But if you have someone in the academy squad that was underage before the start of the season and their birthday takes them over the age of the academy. Does that mean they can stay in the squad until the end of the season, or they then have to be promoted?

Hes academy age until the end of the season of Flux thumbsup

by stnick88 Tue 07 Jan 2014, 10:27 pm

Yarde is a year older but a lot better right now. Doubt watson or nowell will be where yarde is now in a year or even two years and yarde will only improve

by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Jan 2014, 10:27 pm

It's my opinion from what I've seen of the players. Watson and Nowell to me look outstanding all round rugby players and I think they will become better players than Marland Yarde in the future.

Quite simple really.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 10:39 pm

It wasn't a dig at you Steve, it's a general issue.

People tend to rate potential higher than quality. There's always somebody better and younger.

Yarde is light years ahead of Nowell & Watson. He was a superstar at U20 level. Watson and Nowell have done nothing to suggest they'll be half the player Yarde is currently.

by dammit_chris Tue 07 Jan 2014, 10:50 pm

Agree with you Steve about potential of Watson and Nowell - never been completely convinced by Yarde, not sure why.

Watson and Nowell more talented footballers, but Yarde better physically. But if you are basing it on being best u20 player then Wade was best wing we've had for some time.

Wasps list Daly as 14 stone 11llbs, lot of other sites at 15 stone.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Jan 2014, 11:10 pm

Daly isn't that heavy, I've stood right next to him.

Yarde was unreal at U20 level

by dammit_chris Wed 08 Jan 2014, 10:14 am

Did you pick him up and weigh him?

Not really sure how you can argue with something that is on the Wasps website. Next you will be kicking up a fuss about the sky not being blue!!!

by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Jan 2014, 10:39 am

If it's on a website it must be true lol

Teams are renowned for bumping up the stats of players.

I do a lot of strength of conditioning training with boxers/rugby players etc. We constantly judge weights etc, just something we do. You obviously can't account for everything but it's pretty easy to guess a persons weight within 4-6kg.

Daly is not 15st, I'd put a generous guess at 13.5st.

by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Jan 2014, 4:20 pm

Just watching Tiger/Bath, Ford & B Youngs were excellent.

Watson certainly no winger on that show.

by dammit_chris Wed 08 Jan 2014, 8:06 pm

Disagree completely with you about Watson, he had a very good game - a lot of the papers raved about him.

http://www.planetrugby.co.uk/story/0,25883,9817_9104616,00.html

by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Jan 2014, 8:23 pm

Coach bigging up his player shock.

That's not a paper raving about his performance it's Ford saying he played well.

He played ok but got caught out of position and struggled with his one on one defence.

People obviously get carried away because he made 2 half decent breaks but his wing play was poor.

by dammit_chris Wed 08 Jan 2014, 8:34 pm

People get carried away because he's a talent. He's been making breaks all season long and he'll be in the England squad as a winger when the squad is announced.

by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Jan 2014, 9:33 pm

I seem to recall Olly Woodburn looking pretty special too.

Fact is he's not even had a full season on the wing, he needs a hood season behind him before being thrown in against some of the best wingers in world.

Only an idiot would suggest he should be an Int winger now.

by **Ozzy3213** Wed 08 Jan 2014, 9:43 pm

Yet Lancaster had him training with the EPS in the autumn, and every indication I've seen today suggests he'll be named in the 6 Nations squad tomorrow.

Whilst Mat may think Lancaster is a clown, I'd say he knows a fair bit about the game and thinks that Watson is worth a look.

by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Jan 2014, 10:00 pm

"Whilst Mat may think Lancaster is a clown, I'd say he knows a fair bit about the game and thinks that Watson is worth a look."

Joel Tomkins......

by prop_lyd Wed 08 Jan 2014, 10:19 pm

Its interesting reading these England debates in here as, coming from a welsh following I'm all for blooding youngsters, some don't work like prydie and Robinson but they've got experience if ever called upon. Imagine if we hadn't gambled at a young age with: 1/2p, warburton, tipuric, cuthbert, north, etc....
Lancaster needs to make an overhaul to have a good depth of experienced internationals come the World Cup.

by Fluxy Thu 09 Jan 2014, 12:52 am

All conditions and teams are up to date

by dammit_chris Thu 09 Jan 2014, 9:58 am

Agree with you completely Prop. Think there is a slight difference with English rugby in that we've got more depth in terms of number of teams to pick from.

Watson clearly has talent, anyone who understands anything about rugby would see that. I'd rather get players in now who have potential rather than waste time with players who wont bring England forward - guys like Strettle.

Sounds as though Ford, Watson, Nowell, Slater and Burrell are all being called into the EPS - first three all have tremendous potential and if given the time now they could be starters come 2015 WC.

by Sgt_Pooly Thu 09 Jan 2014, 10:33 am

Nobody is doubting they have talent, it's the goons suggesting they should be starting wings for England.

by **Ozzy3213** Thu 09 Jan 2014, 10:45 am

I don't think anyone is suggesting that they should be first choice England wings at this moment in time, just that we need to have a look at them and see what they can do.

by Driver Thu 09 Jan 2014, 11:35 am

They're is a diffrence between being in the squad and first choice wing. I don't think Watson is there yet and expect Ashton & Brown on the wing with Goode at 15. I hope he doesn't do this as England can play rugby under Lancaster they are just trying to build more than one game plan so trying different things.

I'd like to see them line up Care , Farrell , Nowell , Eastmond , Joseph, Watson , Brown

by **Ozzy3213** Thu 09 Jan 2014, 11:40 am

They will need more experience in there than that, and some more grunt. England do need to try people out, but not altogether.

In the absence of Tuilagi, Yarde and Wade I would like to see the following players in there all the way through the 6 Nations for stability...

15. Brown
14. Ashton

12. Barritt

10. Farrell
9. Care

Then you can try different people in the 11 and 13 shirts. I'd give Watson and Nowell a couple of games each on the wing, and have a look at Joseph at 13. Whilst I am a fan of Eastmond, I don't think he is the answer at 12 for England, but I would possibly have a look at him at 13 as well.

by dammit_chris Thu 09 Jan 2014, 11:48 am

I hope May gets a few games. Can see Lancaster using Burrell as a 13 option, as closest we have to a gainline breaker like Tuilagi. Barritt will walk back in at 12.

You'll get a very strong Sarries presence, so may end up seeing Strettle back in - not sure if Catt is the right man for the job with the backline.

Though I think Sarries are leading try scorers in AP by some distance and they have started to play a more expansive game.

by Guest Thu 09 Jan 2014, 1:59 pm

I like Watson and think he is dynamite. I would involve him in the squad. His defence is all
Over the place but his breaks and broken running are pretty unique

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