TLC Main Event (Contains RAW Spoilers)

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It was announced on RAW last night that the main event of the TLC PPV which will be coming out on DVD is going to be World Heavyweight Champion John Felix Anthony Cena versus WWE Champion Randall Keith Sebastian Bobert Spartacus Orton in a Tables, Ladders & Chairs (Oh my!) match with both titles up for grabs.

Apparently, this is not a match to create a single, undisputed World championship, it just means one man will hold both titles and they will remain separate entities.


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No chance Bryan will main event he's a B+ guy at best, he had his main event moment by getting over with the two most basic words in the English language, actually it's the "Yes" and "No" chants that are more over than him. He a talented in ring guy no doubt but for me his promos lack that spark that Punks do. I've just never been that sold on him, I await the backlash.

The only minor guy Triple H has ever really had a Mania match with was probably a relatively new Sheamus, and that's because their friends. I guess his match with HBK at Mania 20 could be included, never got why they held up the title for 6 months after that match.

Back to the TLC match, could easily see both titles changing hands, the match sells the PPV itself and its TLC so can't complain. Cena is my bet to win, Orton has only ever had one big match at Mania 25, the rest he's practically been shoved on the card as an afterthought.

A lot of this hangs on the rumble winner as well, which for me could be anyone out Punk or Bryan though I can see both them two being screwed out of it, potentially Lesnar or Taker, and the outsiders for me Bray Wyatt and Roman Reigns obviously depends on how over them two really are especially Reigns when his inevitable face turn happens, for the record he is the best out of the Shield by far, yes even better than Ambrose who is similar to Bryan except he can talk.

I can't agree with you on Bryan, Gizzy

It was apparent to me that the passion live crowds had for him was something special and went well beyond the 'Yes/No' chants, there's an argument to be had whether that the failure to reciprocate in the Summerslam buyrate was down to Bryan or the way he was presented in the run up to the event, but at live events at least that man is proper loved by all sections of the crowd

Orton went in and left as WWE champ against Cena and HHH at Wrestlemania 24, that was fairly high profile.

I can't get the comparisons of Ambrose to Bryan, they're chalk and cheese IMO, and I'm not going to argue about who the best member of the Shield is as a) they're all fantastic and b) Reigns looked phenomenal on Sunday, but I remember Regins in FCW and he was stinking, I think he's come on leaps and bounds, but the whims and support of the WWE I have far more confidence that Ambrose and Rollins (as they proved on the indies) have the tools for a singles run, while Reigns has yet to make an impact on his own.

can anyone see hhh winning at tlc though?

TopoftheChops wrote:can anyone see hhh winning at tlc though?

I hadn't considered it before and it would take some explaining, but I don't think it's something that could be ruled out entirely

I've had this feeling from the outset of the Authority storyline that Triple H would oust Randy Orton when he eventually lost the WWE title and insert himself into the title picture, kind of like "You couldn't get the job done so I'll have to do it myself".

Maybe that's just because of what's gone on in the past with Triple H though.

The Awesome Giz wrote:No chance Bryan will main event he's a B+ guy at best, he had his main event moment by getting over with the two most basic words in the English language, actually it's the "Yes" and "No" chants that are more over than him. He a talented in ring guy no doubt but for me his promos lack that spark that Punks do. I've just never been that sold on him, I await the backlash.

The only minor guy Triple H has ever really had a Mania match with was probably a relatively new Sheamus, and that's because their friends. I guess his match with HBK at Mania 20 could be included, never got why they held up the title for 6 months after that match.

Back to the TLC match, could easily see both titles changing hands, the match sells the PPV itself and its TLC so can't complain. Cena is my bet to win, Orton has only ever had one big match at Mania 25, the rest he's practically been shoved on the card as an afterthought.

A lot of this hangs on the rumble winner as well, which for me could be anyone out Punk or Bryan though I can see both them two being screwed out of it, potentially Lesnar or Taker, and the outsiders for me Bray Wyatt and Roman Reigns obviously depends on how over them two really are especially Reigns when his inevitable face turn happens, for the record he is the best out of the Shield by far, yes even better than Ambrose who is similar to Bryan except he can talk.

So much I disagree with on this post, firstly the whole B+ guff, why are you using a Stephanie McMahon kayfabe put down as the basis of your opinion? Also, the chants aren't more over than Daniel Bryan, thats quite ridiculous to be honest, the chants are over because of him and his mannerisms when reacting to them, particularly when he was heel 12-18 months ago, I'd agree that his promos do lack the spark Punk's do but I also yhink when allowed time to promo passionately he's always got it over, Bryan can tell a story in the ring better than anyone else on the roster though, quite similar to HBK in that respect.

As for HHH not going against minor opposition, again thats all just kayfabe stuff, Jericho, Booker, Benoit & Sheamus are all guys who wouldn't be considered top tier opposition, Batista was a lacky until 3 months before their match at WrestleMania, Orton was somewhere in between the top guys and the 'nearly top guys' (particularly in 2008) so I'd argue that the only top tier opponents he's ever had at WM one-on-one since becoming a Main Eventer are Undertaket (3 times) Cena and Lesnar.

I also don't see why Ambrose and Bryan are alike, they're polar opposites in terms of character, psychology, promoing and actual ring styles

Just the way I view Bryan on the whole, he's never brought out that reaction in me as a fan. Don't get me wrong some of his matches have been quality and I'm sure if I Youtubed a bunch of his ROH matches I'de be even more impressed, he just doesn't bring it in storylines, I know I'm in a minority there as well. I don't buy this blaming Bryan for buyrate guff though, wrestling just doesn't sell as good I guess. Blame The Miz if anyone.

Also the "Yes" "No" chants only got over for me because he didn't get his chance to showcase his talent at Mania 28, so every IWC indie lover could say to everyone "told you so", not that there is anything wrong with the indies again I'm sure the matches are quality. Honestly if anyone is willing to point out 5 Bryan matches from ROH etc, that are good in ring and have similar reactions from crowds I'll happily view them see if my opinion changes.

I'll give you Jericho with Hunter at Mania, Booker T was a 4 time world champion by that point and a top tier WCW guy, though admittedly so was David Arquette, HBK was in the match at Mania so hardly a lower tier match, and Cena at Mania 24 again. The Orton/HHH 25 storyline was probably one the most emotionally invested matches I've seen in a long time, shame it sucked in the end.

As with regards to Ambrose and Bryan comparisons it was more the "these two should main event everything" attitude some fans give rather than in ring style, again with Ambrose great matches, the fact he had a singles match with Taker shows he can be trusted in ring. I put Rollins in that bracket as well, that said I've not seen him do many promos apart from The entire Shield staring into a handheld camera. There's a lot of Batista about Reigns I find, similar look as in dude, similarish moveset, Reigns spear is better.

I have to admit I'm more confident about future stars, I remember only a year or two ago everyone complaining about younger guys not getting a chance, the NXT move to Full Sail has really helped exposure.

Triple H explains unifying the belts at the WWE TLC PPV…

- Michael Cole has conducted his weekly interview with Triple H for WWE.com, which you can check out at this link. Here are some highlights…

On the goal behind unifying the belts at the WWE TLC PPV: "The goal is one champion. The goal being one champion at the end of the night. One Undisputed WWE champion. Let's face it - with the brand extension no longer in effect, there is no need for two champions; we only need one... I want there to be one Undisputed WWE champion; the championship that was held by all the greats. Bruno Sammartino, (Bob) Backlund, Bret (Hart), (Hulk) Hogan, Shawn Michaels, Rock, (Steve) Austin, myself, Cena. All the greats. I want there to be one champion who represents this company going into the new year.


Read more at http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/305261/Triple-H-Discusses-Unifying-The-Titles-at-TLC,-CM-Punks-Dig-at-Him-on-Raw.htm#r3LcwZTPwT51gp8y.99

Correct me if i'm wrong, I didn't think Cena had been an undisputed champion?

liverbnz wrote:Triple H explains unifying the belts at the WWE TLC PPV…

- Michael Cole has conducted his weekly interview with Triple H for WWE.com, which you can check out at this link. Here are some highlights…

On the goal behind unifying the belts at the WWE TLC PPV: "The goal is one champion. The goal being one champion at the end of the night. One Undisputed WWE champion. Let's face it - with the brand extension no longer in effect, there is no need for two champions; we only need one... I want there to be one Undisputed WWE champion; the championship that was held by all the greats. Bruno Sammartino, (Bob) Backlund, Bret (Hart), (Hulk) Hogan, Shawn Michaels, Rock, (Steve) Austin, myself, Cena. All the greats. I want there to be one champion who represents this company going into the new year.

No mention of the Undertaker? Maybe that'll be the catalyst for a match between the two of them at Wrestlemania 30. Mind you, he didn't mention his best friend in the world the NAITCHA BWAAAAH! Ric Flair either so maybe Trips will face him instead.


And I guess this rules out the old title switcheroo of Cena nabbing the WWE title and Orton grabbing the WHC.

I Blame Coco wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong, I didn't think Cena had been an undisputed champion?

You are correct

I Blame Coco wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong, I didn't think Cena had been an undisputed champion?

Only two he mentioned were "Undisputed Champion"  I think he was refering to just the WWE title.

I can still see both men grabbing a title each tbh. TLC just doesn't seem to be a big enough PPV to have a new undisputed title.

Also i don't feel they have stopped the Bryan push. In fact i think WWE have done what they set out to do. Bryan has now become a main event superstar, who can be included with the likes of Orton, Cena, Punk etc.

The Awesome Giz wrote:Just the way I view Bryan on the whole, he's never brought out that reaction in me as a fan. Don't get me wrong some of his matches have been quality and I'm sure if I Youtubed a bunch of his ROH matches I'de be even more impressed, he just doesn't bring it in storylines, I know I'm in a minority there as well. I don't buy this blaming Bryan for buyrate guff though, wrestling just doesn't sell as good I guess. Blame The Miz if anyone.

Also the "Yes" "No" chants only got over for me because he didn't get his chance to showcase his talent at Mania 28, so every IWC indie lover could say to everyone "told you so", not that there is anything wrong with the indies again I'm sure the matches are quality. Honestly if anyone is willing to point out 5 Bryan matches from ROH etc, that are good in ring and have similar reactions from crowds I'll happily view them see if my opinion changes.

I'll give you Jericho with Hunter at Mania, Booker T was a 4 time world champion by that point and a top tier WCW guy, though admittedly so was David Arquette, HBK was in the match at Mania so hardly a lower tier match, and Cena at Mania 24 again. The Orton/HHH 25 storyline was probably one the most emotionally invested matches I've seen in a long time, shame it sucked in the end.

As with regards to Ambrose and Bryan comparisons it was more the "these two should main event everything" attitude some fans give rather than in ring style, again with Ambrose great matches, the fact he had a singles match with Taker shows he can be trusted in ring. I put Rollins in that bracket as well, that said I've not seen him do many promos apart from The entire Shield staring into a handheld camera. There's a lot of Batista about Reigns I find, similar look as in dude, similarish moveset, Reigns spear is better.

I have to admit I'm more confident about future stars, I remember only a year or two ago everyone complaining about younger guys not getting a chance, the NXT move to Full Sail has really helped exposure.

I didn't add HBK or Cena in 20 or 24 because I was really just highlighting his (lack of) top tier opponents in 1 on 1 matches, as for Booker, he was the ying to the Jeff Jarrett yang back then in WCW, many rated him, I did too but never in the same league as Austin, Rock, Taker, HHH, Goldberg, Lesnar, HBK, Anhle Hogan or even Kevin Nash, I'd even say Jericho was a hotter commodity back then than Booker.

I'd also agree that Hunter's storyline with Orton going into WM25 was hot as hell, I loved it, all im saying is that Orton wasn't on Cena/Taker/HHH's level at that point and hasn't reached it since.

I'm not saying HHH didn't have big matches or big storylines by the way just that when you look at his one-on-one opponents at WrestleMania its not quite as top tier as many might automatically think.

The buyrate is interesting, I used to be right into analysing buy-rates and ratings a few years ago, a decline in ratings usually coincided with Randy Orton being the WWE Champ

NickisBHAFC wrote:I can still see both men grabbing a title each tbh. TLC just doesn't seem to be a big enough PPV to have a new undisputed title.

It may be a different name, but Chris Jericho defeated The Rock and Steve Austin in the same night to become Undisputed Champion at the same "not big enough" PPV in December.