Amir Khan urges Carl Froch to retire following George Groves controversy

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AMIR KHAN has urged a past his ‘sell-by-date’ Carl Froch to retire following the super-middleweight champion’s controversial win over George Groves. The Nottingham veteran, 36, hauled himself off the canvas in round one, and withstood subsequent raids from the underdog, before Howard Foster made what is widely perceived as a premature stoppage with Groves under fire in the ninth.

Khan and Froch have had their spats in the past, most famously when Froch suggested Khan should consider his future after a 2012 stoppage loss to Danny Garcia.

Now it is the younger man - who was a Sky Sports pundit for the British showdown - dishing out the career advice.

“He’s past his sell-by date,” Khan told the Daily Mail. “Froch should retire. He’s on top at the moment with the belts, I really think in his next fight he'll lose those belts. He got a very close win against Groves because he was losing almost every round.

"The referee stopped the fight too soon, the fight would've gone the distance and Groves
would've won on points."

Froch was four points down on one card, but just one point behind on the other two, at the time of the stoppage. Although the champion was clearly in ascendancy at the conclusion, Khan is certain that Groves would have gone on to win.

Amir, who spoke to Groves after his defeat, said: "He told me he fancied working on the inside, that's why he took a few shots getting in. That's why he got caught.

"He wanted to take a few shots, sometimes that drives a fighter. He didn't seem hurt. Even when the ref stopped the fight you could see his head was fine."

Khan predicted that Groves will return from the defeat and claim major belts in the future.

"He's got some big fights and some big names out there for him," said the former WBA and IBF light-welterweight champion.

"He can cause anyone problems. I think he has world titles ahead."

hampo171 wrote:

In my opinion Froch holds very little, Groves could move on from here and have the fans backing. After all how does he know he won't get stiffed again?

Apart from having a great boxing record allready even if he was to hang up his gloves, a win over Groves which is only tainted by (mostly by Groves fans) the question of if Groves would have survived the round after he turned away from Froch and fell into the reff, had the reff not been there..

And of course he has 2 belts and a right to a voluntary defense...

I dont think anyone can take away the fact that Froch has never turned away from any fighter. And may be able to deal with disgruntled Groves fans, Especially if Groves goes to the USA and gets KOed by Ward, after Carl took him the distance.

That being said, got to hand it to Groves, he may give Ward a run for his money.... Although I have to say mine would be on a Ward victory via a late stoppage.

Wonder how Groves would approach a rematch... I still think Froch was the likely winner from where the fight was stopped (not just because of dodgy scoring). Groves was tiring, his punch output was on the wane, and he was slumped just before the KO. But if Groves can keep telling himself he was the victim of a corrupt BBofBC, and an idiotic ref, and that he was cruising his way to an easy win, he'll probably start believing it...

Also the irony of Amir Khan saying taking punches can drive a fighter is not lost on me... Seems he's always in reverse when this drive is supposed to take place.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

tunes666 wrote:Also for Froch a rematch would be in Groves advantage as well because Froch is an ageing fighter, why have a rematch with a guy who has given you your toughest fight when you are getting older?

Are you familiar with the word 'warrior', tunes?.....

Yes and one of Froch's strengths, But warriors still get older, slower, less durable.. especially if they are involved in many grueling battles as Froch has been many times including his last two fights...

lets assume you are his trainer or manager... what are you going to tell him?... If he is %100 fit and at his best, and at least as prepared as he was this fight, there is a good chance the fight goes the same way with him stopping Groves late. If he is not quite at his best or comes in shorter than he did this fight, what happens?, he gets stopped him self...  and at the age of 37, there is every chance he does not come in as ready...

Tunes have you seen the way people are talking about Froch on the other thread on here  https://www.606v2.com/t49987-how-to-score-a-carl-froch-fight , they are making fun of him. How dare people make fun of the international superstar and self-proclaimed warrior!!!!!

you must defend Carl Froch's name

Just have a look at Boxrec.... a few gutted Groves fans wont change that.

tunes666 wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

In my opinion Froch holds very little, Groves could move on from here and have the fans backing. After all how does he know he won't get stiffed again?

Apart from having a great boxing record allready even if he was to hang up his gloves, a win over Groves which is only tainted by (mostly by Groves fans) the question of if Groves would have survived the round after he turned away from Froch and fell into the reff, had the reff not been there..

And of course he has 2 belts and a right to a voluntary defense...

I dont think anyone can take away the fact that Froch has never turned away from any fighter. And may be able to deal with disgruntled Groves fans, Especially if Groves goes to the USA and gets KOed by Ward, after Carl took him the distance.

That being said, got to hand it to Groves, he may give Ward a run for his money.... Although I have to say mine would be on a Ward victory via a late stoppage.

Tunes we already discussed this, Groves never fell into the ref, Froch pulled the back of his head down resulting in Groves stumbling, Groves guard was always up.

the win over groves is tainted by nearly everyone including pro boxers and journalists.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

In my opinion Froch holds very little, Groves could move on from here and have the fans backing. After all how does he know he won't get stiffed again?

Apart from having a great boxing record allready even if he was to hang up his gloves, a win over Groves which is only tainted by (mostly by Groves fans) the question of if Groves would have survived the round after he turned away from Froch and fell into the reff, had the reff not been there..

And of course he has 2 belts and a right to a voluntary defense...

I dont think anyone can take away the fact that Froch has never turned away from any fighter. And may be able to deal with disgruntled Groves fans, Especially if Groves goes to the USA and gets KOed by Ward, after Carl took him the distance.

That being said, got to hand it to Groves, he may give Ward a run for his money.... Although I have to say mine would be on a Ward victory via a late stoppage.

Tunes we already discussed this, Groves never fell into the ref, Froch pulled the back of his head down resulting in Groves stumbling, Groves guard was always up.

the win over groves is tainted by nearly everyone including pro boxers and journalists.

Tainted yes.... But it really comes down to how froch feels and if he felt he beat Groves which I think he does.  The stoppage being early is not really the debate as all agree with that really, its more a case of what state Geroge was in and what wold have happened had the Reff not been there?, and most I have heard think while it was a poor stoppage, Groves had gassed and was hurt but should have had the chance to at least go out on his sheild, including the commentators. I'm sure Froch can live with the taint in that victory if he does not think his best is there anymore, as he still won the fight, and has a great record.

And I know we had a discussion, After you come up with the ridiculous idea that Groves did not slump to the reff, and it was in fact Froch who held him down and pushed him there, looking past you desperately clutching at straws I pointed out that Frochs Left Arm actually pulled him away from the Reff first, and then the momentum of his right arm pushed him back, which concluded that Froch no longer had to hit Groves, he could just rest his gloves on him.... if you want to go down that road! ...   

tunes666 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

In my opinion Froch holds very little, Groves could move on from here and have the fans backing. After all how does he know he won't get stiffed again?

Apart from having a great boxing record allready even if he was to hang up his gloves, a win over Groves which is only tainted by (mostly by Groves fans) the question of if Groves would have survived the round after he turned away from Froch and fell into the reff, had the reff not been there..

And of course he has 2 belts and a right to a voluntary defense...

I dont think anyone can take away the fact that Froch has never turned away from any fighter. And may be able to deal with disgruntled Groves fans, Especially if Groves goes to the USA and gets KOed by Ward, after Carl took him the distance.

That being said, got to hand it to Groves, he may give Ward a run for his money.... Although I have to say mine would be on a Ward victory via a late stoppage.

Tunes we already discussed this, Groves never fell into the ref, Froch pulled the back of his head down resulting in Groves stumbling, Groves guard was always up.

the win over groves is tainted by nearly everyone including pro boxers and journalists.

Tainted yes.... But it really comes down to how froch feels and if he felt he beat Groves which I think he does.  The stoppage being early is not really the debate as all agree with that really, its more a case of what state Geroge was in and what wold have happened had the Reff not been there?, and most I have heard think while it was a poor stoppage, Groves had gassed and was hurt but should have had the chance to at least go out on his sheild, including the commentators. I'm sure Froch can live with the taint in that victory if he does not think his best is there anymore, as he still won the fight, and has a great record.

And I know we had a discussion, After you come up with the ridiculous idea that Groves did not slump to the reff, and it was in fact Froch who held him down and pushed him there, looking past you desperately clutching at straws I pointed out that Frochs Left Arm actually pulled him away from the Reff first, and then the momentum of his right arm pushed him back, which concluded that Froch no longer had to hit Groves, he could just rest his gloves on him.... if you want to go down that road! ...   

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17m4w9_froch-vs-groves-the-stoppage_sport

go to 46 seconds and you see froch pulling down groves by the back of his head and pushing goves' back of the head which makes groves go into the ref.

Froch's ego won't let him retire but he's not sounding like he's keen on a rematch either. He must be in torment over this because aside from the rematch any other fight is one he'll get criticised for.

Forget Ward. He'll not come here now and I can't blame him. That would have been the only thing to have made that interesting. Kessler isn't interesting. A step up to light heavy though brings Stevenson and a Pascal rematch into play.

Lets not forget, carl wasn't fit for this fight, though he doesn't like to talk about it.

Even half fit he's too much for groves.  At 3/4 fit he'd be too much for any super middle. At 100% fitness it would be plain scary what he could do. He's never 100% fit, because he likes to keep the fights interesting for the fans. If he ever wanted to, it's just a matter of a few more sit ups in training.

Golovkin and kovalev next, guys who come to fight, none of these namby pamby boxer types.

On s more serious note, Suspect he'll fancy Jcc junior as he's a draw and rubbish, but the Brit fans will think he's a ducker if he doesn't rematch groves, and that will really bug him.

If Froch gets the moniker of ducker after one dubious stoppage and a refusal to rematch Groves after all the tough fights he has been involved with (including a lot of travelling) then it just goes to show how fickle the armchair fans are. I think Froch would be well within his rights to be annoyed if thats how the public start to view him.

I would like to think that the casual fans arent that stupid/short minded however.

Carl "2 fans" Froch.....(Tunes and Carl himself).

Joey, don't underestimate the fickleness of the great British public! Also you have to look at froch's attitude. That's what is getting everyone's goat. No-one likes a big time Charlie and just from comments on here, you can see how many fans he's alienating. He talks the talk as the great warrior, so it doesn't look good to walk away from the rematch the public wants because ts unfinished business... Which everyone except carl and tunes thinks it is. It makes him look an arrogant jerk and that he doesn't fancy it.

In my view I think he'd be happy to take it in principle but knows there's only a few fights left for him and in his mind he wants ward plus another International big name big money fight... Jcc maybe. Ultimately, I think Saturday may have killed any hopes of a ward rematch so he may have to adjust his thinking. Conversely, a few guys who might not have fancied froch previously (golovkin allegedly) might now be interested.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Carl "2 fans" Froch.....(Tunes and Carl himself).

You'd have to first convince me that tunes isn't carl, before I believe you haven't overestimated his current fan base.

I think a lot of the public are starting to see what Froch is really like. Even big Froch fans who will always support him are starting to see why others dont like him. Its not just the Welsh. The more and more coverage he gets the more obvious it becomes. Entertaining boxer, but an ar$ehole and nothing like how he is in the ring or how he describes himself. I would like to see him fight on. Groves, Degale, Kovalov or Stevenson. Please not Ward. It will be hard for him to fight on and not gives Groves a rematch. I think a Froch, Groves and Degale trilogy has potential and money in it. The gap between all three is probably not as great as was thought originally.

You not think the big loser on Saturday was Degale ??

It's put him back.........Froch won the fight and Groves kind of established himself......

Degale is now an afterthought.

If Froch beat Groves easily it would be bad for Degale I think because it would look like he had no chance. Now it looks to me like Froch, Degale and Groves are all good fights. Two have happened and been highly competitive so far and there is lots of money in it as the British public love a good domestic rivalry. It could all be ppv with big money for the fighters. Only thing holding it back would be how long Froch carries on. I think Degale would be a good addition and a decent fight for either Froch or Groves. A Froch v Groves rematch must be the priority though and if Froch lost that he would probably retire.

tunes666 wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Groves beat Degale in a close non-controversial fight, he lost to Froch via a highly controversial stoppage in a fight he was winning.

It was controversial As many thought Degale did enough to win it...  there for the win was not conclusive enough to not merit a rematch which was also a title match.

I think you're getting confused between 'controversial' and 'debatable'.

Your DeGold man-luv may be getting in the way....

Izzi wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:He's already been beat by anyone decent in the SMW division and has only 1 division to go up to - LHW.  And there's no guarantee of success there either, especially if Ward hops up too as Andre hands Carl his backside every day the week and twice on Sundays.

Reputationally he did lose.

Nobody cares or is interested in Kessler III nor Ward II.  Groves has just confirmed he can be outboxed by anyone with good slick skills.  He's 36, looks on the slide, and has no decent or exciting fights out there.  

Other than a GG rematch which he's already making noises to avoid.

Khan is in a rich (both in terms of earning potential and depth of talent) division, with a rich division above him to move into and people moving up into his division all the time.  Given he was outboxing Garcia comfortably it's not hard to sell that rematch, there's then a few other good 'names' out there for him plus a domestic bust-up Brook.  

He has options, lots of them, Carl does not.

Revisionist here, probably backed Bute to beat him? Bute had the edge in speed and 'slickness' yet Froch came out and in his unusual winging way blew him away.

If he fights Groves again, and I think he will, then it would heavily back Froch to knock him senseless. Will you then be reverting to Groves wasn't that slick?

And I'd love for you to define slick, as Groves face tells the picture of someone who was getting punched on numerous occasions. Don't exactly see Ward or FMJ come out of a fight looking like a ginger Yorkshire lass falling over a few times in to lamp posts after her 25th snakebite.

Groves got the better of some early exchanges. That was about it and it certainly doesn't classify him as slick.

Revisionism?? Haha laughable claim.

I thought Bute was a very good win, better than many on here, and had gone for LKO Froch as my prediction.

But Dirrell and Groves have now outboxed him. Your assessment of the fight is an absolute joke. 'Got the better of some early exhanges', rubbish, he was winning all the exchanges in the first 4 rounds, quicker to the punch, landing the right at ease and had the 10-8 in the first thanks to a peach of a punch. GG is a good technical boxer that, when he sticks to plan, can be very evasive - ask JdG.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Izzi wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:He's already been beat by anyone decent in the SMW division and has only 1 division to go up to - LHW.  And there's no guarantee of success there either, especially if Ward hops up too as Andre hands Carl his backside every day the week and twice on Sundays.

Reputationally he did lose.

Nobody cares or is interested in Kessler III nor Ward II.  Groves has just confirmed he can be outboxed by anyone with good slick skills.  He's 36, looks on the slide, and has no decent or exciting fights out there.  

Other than a GG rematch which he's already making noises to avoid.

Khan is in a rich (both in terms of earning potential and depth of talent) division, with a rich division above him to move into and people moving up into his division all the time.  Given he was outboxing Garcia comfortably it's not hard to sell that rematch, there's then a few other good 'names' out there for him plus a domestic bust-up Brook.  

He has options, lots of them, Carl does not.

Revisionist here, probably backed Bute to beat him? Bute had the edge in speed and 'slickness' yet Froch came out and in his unusual winging way blew him away.

If he fights Groves again, and I think he will, then it would heavily back Froch to knock him senseless. Will you then be reverting to Groves wasn't that slick?

And I'd love for you to define slick, as Groves face tells the picture of someone who was getting punched on numerous occasions. Don't exactly see Ward or FMJ come out of a fight looking like a ginger Yorkshire lass falling over a few times in to lamp posts after her 25th snakebite.

Groves got the better of some early exchanges. That was about it and it certainly doesn't classify him as slick.

Revisionism?? Haha laughable claim.

I thought Bute was a very good win, better than many on here, and had gone for LKO Froch as my prediction.

But Dirrell and Groves have now outboxed him.  Your assessment of the fight is an absolute joke. 'Got the better of some early exhanges', rubbish, he was winning all the exchanges in the first 4 rounds, quicker to the punch, landing the right at ease and had the 10-8 in the first thanks to a peach of a punch.  GG is a good technical boxer that, when he sticks to plan, can be very evasive - ask JdG.

I have just asked JDG who has confirmed what you are saying is the truth.

Some of the early exchanges!!??

Was it the 6th round that Groves caught Froch with about 8 haymakers in the one combination?

Look at the state of Carl's face after the fight, the left side of his lip doesn't move when he talks, his nose is (unbelievably) BIGGER, face battered and bruised. Groves marks up easily, it happens to some fighters more than most. I can't remember the last time I seen Froch with a face like that. Yet Groves I can.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Izzi wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:He's already been beat by anyone decent in the SMW division and has only 1 division to go up to - LHW.  And there's no guarantee of success there either, especially if Ward hops up too as Andre hands Carl his backside every day the week and twice on Sundays.

Reputationally he did lose.

Nobody cares or is interested in Kessler III nor Ward II.  Groves has just confirmed he can be outboxed by anyone with good slick skills.  He's 36, looks on the slide, and has no decent or exciting fights out there.  

Other than a GG rematch which he's already making noises to avoid.

Khan is in a rich (both in terms of earning potential and depth of talent) division, with a rich division above him to move into and people moving up into his division all the time.  Given he was outboxing Garcia comfortably it's not hard to sell that rematch, there's then a few other good 'names' out there for him plus a domestic bust-up Brook.  

He has options, lots of them, Carl does not.

Revisionist here, probably backed Bute to beat him? Bute had the edge in speed and 'slickness' yet Froch came out and in his unusual winging way blew him away.

If he fights Groves again, and I think he will, then it would heavily back Froch to knock him senseless. Will you then be reverting to Groves wasn't that slick?

And I'd love for you to define slick, as Groves face tells the picture of someone who was getting punched on numerous occasions. Don't exactly see Ward or FMJ come out of a fight looking like a ginger Yorkshire lass falling over a few times in to lamp posts after her 25th snakebite.

Groves got the better of some early exchanges. That was about it and it certainly doesn't classify him as slick.

Revisionism?? Haha laughable claim.

I thought Bute was a very good win, better than many on here, and had gone for LKO Froch as my prediction.

But Dirrell and Groves have now outboxed him.  Your assessment of the fight is an absolute joke. 'Got the better of some early exhanges', rubbish, he was winning all the exchanges in the first 4 rounds, quicker to the punch, landing the right at ease and had the 10-8 in the first thanks to a peach of a punch.  GG is a good technical boxer that, when he sticks to plan, can be very evasive - ask JdG.

I have just asked JDG who has confirmed what you are saying is the truth.

Lol