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Post by 'Arry Tue 17 May 2011 - 16:02

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Welcome to London Wasps

Full Name: London Wasps
Union: Rugby Football Union
Founded: 1867
Nicknames: Waspies, The Pests
Location: High Wycombe, England
Ground: Adams Park - Capacity: 10,516
Chairman: Mark Rigby
Captain: Mike Tindall
Vice-Captain: Stephen Jones

Current Budget: £12m

Senior Squad (53/55)

Forwards (27)

HK Tatafu Polota-Nau (Australia)
HK Steve Thompson (England)
HK Andy Titterell (England)
HK Damien Varley (Ireland)

PR Benn Robinson (Australia)
PR Charlie Beech (England)
PR CJ Van Der Linde (South Africa)
PR Perry Freshwater (England)
PR James Slipper (Australia)
PR Tom French (England)
PR Lionel Faure (France)
PR Carlos Nieto (Italy)

LK Mark Chisholm (Australia)
LK Richard Birkett (England)
LK Steve Mafi (Tonga)
LK Kristian Ormsby (New Zealand)
LK Stuart Hooper (England)
LK Marco Wentzel (South Africa)

FL James Haskell (England)
FL John Hart (England)
FL Tom Johnson (England)
FL Jacques Burger (Namibia)
FL Ryan Burrows (England)
FL Deon Stegmann (South Africa)

N8 Roger Wilson (Ireland)

Backs (26)

SH Luke Burgess (Australia)
SH Mike Blair (Scotland)
SH James Honeyben (England)
SH Martin Roberts (Wales)
SH Michael Claassens (South Africa)

FH Stephen Jones (Wales)
FH Jimmy Gopperth (New Zealand)
FH Rory Clegg (England)
FH Nicky Little (Fiji)
FH Ruaridh Jackson (Scotland)

CE Jamie Roberts (Wales)
CE Will Chambers (Australia)
CE Stirling Mortlock (Australia)
CE James Downey (Ireland)
CE Mike Tindall (England)
CE Tom May (England)
CE Luke McAlister (New Zealand)

WG Matt Banahan (England)
WG Chris Wyles (USA)
WG Lachie Turner (Australia)
WG Bruce Reihana (New Zealand)
WG Tom Williams (England)
WG Noah Cato (England)

FB Mike Brown (England)
FB Nick Macleod (Wales)
FB Geordan Murphy (Ireland)

Academy Squad (10/20)
Forwards

LK Calum Green (academy)
LK Peter Elder (academy)
FL Sam Northcoate-Green (academy)
FL Alex Fan (academy)
N8 Billy Vunipola (academy)
N8 David Francis (academy)

Backs

SH Jonah Holmes (acdamey)
FH Will Fulton (academy)
CE Will East (academy)


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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 14:15

Sorry mate, thought you were after a 7.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 14:20

Scays was one of the best 7's in the AP last year, is English and available all year, and you get a quality English full back, where you are really lacking depth, in that deal.

Not sure what else I can offer mate, thought it wad pretty fair for a player who has a serious injury and is a risk as he might not come back as good.

No worries though, guess we'll leave it. Smile
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 14:47

Sorry mate, a wouldn't add any of them, I would already be losing one England international in Brown, I wouldn't throw in another one for a player who is long term injured and a gamble to buy anyway.

Like I said, I'll leave it, seems like we're poles apart in valuation of players.
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Post by Guest Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 14:59

George = Carl fearns

Robson requires English but don't think you have anyone good enough who you would trade. Robson and hazell for Haskell enq

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Post by Driver Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 18:19

Bortwick would need a quality lock back
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 18:42

Easter + Dermody + Amesbury + Clerc
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Fearns + Mitchell

Top replacements, and bulk your squad a bit with good players. You can afford to lose Fearns with Haskell, Louw, Johnson, Burger, Wilson and DWS (and Easter).

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 18:54

Skirving + Slater for Burger?

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Post by CJB Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 19:09

Haskell 4 Beattie/Worsley/Guest + Van Der Heever?

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Post by CJB Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 19:14

Percival/Swinson/Vickerman + VDH 4 Chisholm

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Post by Driver Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 19:17

What for barnes mate? D'Arcy + Wallace + Mafi for him?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 19:18

Can't lose two quality English with nothing coming back Arry.

Slater + Benjamin

Burger + Cato/Morgan

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Post by Driver Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 19:22

How about Mafi + Matt Smith for Skivington?
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 19:23

Easter + Clerc + Dermody
For
Mitchell + Burger?

Also interested in Skivs OK

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 19:32

Make me an offer mate.

Interested in Mitchell + Burger + Skivs.

Could bolster your squad OK

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 19:58

Surely Benjamin would start ahead of Cato?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 20:09

Ah alright your going on possible future form lol. Chris would be proud!

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 20:38

Tuilagi + Dermody + Amesbury
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Mitchell + T.Williams

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 20:40

Never said he was, just said he was better than Cato. No probs

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 20:42

Awesome that's great to hear congrats bud!!

Not sure really, make an offer and i'll see?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 20:49

Hore + Slater + Benjamin

Tommo + burger

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 20:58

You really like Tommo!

Slater for burger and Benjamin on loan for wc?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 21:03

For somebody up for deals you don't offer much! Lol

I'm done

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 21:03

I'll leave it then I guess.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 21:08

I've made offers to you and go none back mate. You're the one who isn't negotiating OK

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 21:11

Moody tonight arry Wink

I meant you never counter offer....just get knock backs. I'm struggling!

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 21:16

Lol worst I can so is no Wink

Which is what I would say to that offer. Can't think of a better 8 available during the WC than Joubert and Young is my only WC SH.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 21:28

Most I've mentioned, problem with this is you list all my English but yours are untouchable! Lol

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 21:51

Sorry mate I couldn't do neither of those for any of your English players

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 22:01

Not really doing much for me sorry, not a big fan of DWS at present.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 22:20

TPN, James Slipper, Tom Johnson and Berrick Barnes

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Jannie du Plessis, Alessandro Zanni, Jonathon Davies, Josh Matavesi and Mike Brown (and I'll throw in Scaysbrook for free to give you some more depth Wink )
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 22:22

Can't lose my two English wingers mate. Could do one but would need similar standard English in another position included.

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Post by stnick88 Sun 12 Jun 2011 - 23:19

juan martin hernandez, andy powell for berrick barnes?

or powell and kefu for burger?


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Post by stnick88 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 8:35

scrap the barnes offer, just read that story on him potentially having to quit!

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Post by stnick88 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 9:22

powell + ??
for burger

is something I would do but wouldnt add much else, a squad player like kefu, hewat, betsen, fury, sisi...or cash.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 9:48

Arry

Are you serious fella? 'Gulf in class'???

I am offering you 5 full internationals mate. If you think there is a huge gulf in class there I think you are going to struggle to do deals mate. You have identified that depth is an issue for you and in order to improve that you need to get more players than you sell, but you have to realise that if you are selling a player that is say an 8 out of 10, nobody is going to give you two players back who are 8 out of 10's, you are going to have to take a small hit and accept say two 6 out of 10 players, or a 7 out of 10 and a 5 out of 10 player in order to gain depth in your squad.

If you can see any tweaks to the deal I offered which may interest you then come back and let me know mate. thumbsup
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Post by stnick88 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 9:48

sorry mate briggs nfs

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Post by Guest Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 10:14

faiinga for Hazell and Lawson

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 10:41

I think the ship may have sailed for you selling Barnes mate, sad news about him possibly retiring. I doubt anyone is going to take the chance on him right now.
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Post by Guest Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 10:46

Hazell and tuitopu for Barnes

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Post by stnick88 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 10:49

I'll take a punt on Barnes

Powell and Naqalevuki?

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 10:50

'Arry wrote:Yeah 5 full internationals for 4 in return who are some of my best players. Tom Johnson isn't going anywhere at all neither is TPN. Barnes and Slipper could go but the offer would have to be good mate.

Johnson is not a full international mate, and none of the other 3 are first choice internationals at present. If you are serious about doing deals, building depth and remodelling your squad I think you may have to lower your valuation of some of your players.
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Post by Guest Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 10:53

I bet you would. I would not do roberts for barnes straight swap. Barnes is a risk fo anyone. If you want to make a sensible offer i will consider it. I have depth so can afford to take a punt

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Post by stnick88 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 11:00

cant do that mate.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 11:06

no worries mate

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Post by Guest Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 11:07

Can give you Ryan Davis, Hazell and ? for Barnes

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 11:15

Robinson
Beech
Van Der Linde
Freshwater
Slipper
Kruger
Chisholm
Skivington
Burger
Fearns
Gopperth
Barnes
May
Cato

Have some interest in all of these. See if you can come up with something OK

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Post by Guest Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 11:22

Ryan Davis was 10 for exeter last year and England A.Plays 12 also.

Anyhow. what do you want for barnes?? Hazell can go if you need depth + ???

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 11:25

James Slipper, James Haskell and Drew Mitchell

for

Alessandro Zanni, Rodney So'oialo, Ollie Smith, Seilala Mapusua and Mike Brown. ( I would throw in Ireland U20 prop Ruaridh Murphy and Fiji international Josh Matavesi as well if you wanted them.)

If you don't like the deal then suggest a tweak rather than an outright no, although I wouldn't tweak too much as I see it as a fair deal with you getting depth as well as full internationals for three players, one of whom is potential rather than anything else (Slipper), one who seems to divide opinion at times (Haskell) and one who is long term injured (Mitchell).
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 11:31

Mitchell + Barnes + May
for
Tuilagi + Traille + Molenaar + Fritz

Enq.

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Post by Guest Mon 13 Jun 2011 - 11:33

Ryan Davis,Diggin and Hazell for BArnes. 3 EQ players

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