Dan Biggar

Did I hear the commentators correct last night. I'm sure they said that Dan had successfully kicked 33 place kicks on the bounce. Surely if this is correct that has to be a record and if not does anyone know who holds the record for the highest number of successful place kicks and how many.

I think Chris Patterson had the record.

Not sure Biggar's was as many as that. I did here them say something about it though!

I know Jinks kicked 44 in a row but know that was beaten

Poor game from Biggar today, uncharacteristically missed a few kicks but also showed little game management or attacking guile, despite having 70% of the ball.

The Scarlet's backs, with Priestland at the helm looked far more dangerous, despite being pipped at the post yet again in a match which was settled late on by the Ospreys stronger bench.

Wales needs a leader at 10, I am not sure that either of these players or the flaky Hook can fulfil the role that Stephen Jones played for Wales. Will one of these guys develop their game or is Patchel the answer?

Seagultaf wrote:Poor game from Biggar today, uncharacteristically missed a few kicks but also showed little game management or attacking guile, despite having 70% of the ball.

The Scarlet's backs, with Priestland at the helm looked far more dangerous, despite being pipped at the post yet again in a match which was settled late on by the Ospreys stronger bench.

Wales needs a leader at 10, I am not sure that either of these players or the flaky Hook can fulfil the role that Stephen Jones played for Wales. Will one of these guys develop their game or is Patchel the answer?

Biggar played well, better than Priestland by quite a bit.   

I think Biggar tries to take the ball to the line like Priestland does but doesnt have the either the outside runners (or runners who are communicating) or the peripheral vision to hit them and gets caught quite a bit

Seagultaf wrote:Poor game from Biggar today, uncharacteristically missed a few kicks but also showed little game management or attacking guile, despite having 70% of the ball.

The Scarlet's backs, with Priestland at the helm looked far more dangerous, despite being pipped at the post yet again in a match which was settled late on by the Ospreys stronger bench.

Wales needs a leader at 10, I am not sure that either of these players or the flaky Hook can fulfil the role that Stephen Jones played for Wales. Will one of these guys develop their game or is Patchel the answer?

Were you watching the same game as me?
Priestland looked desperate to get rid of the ball regardless of how he used it/

Priestland=my Dad's old pants

Biggar=my granny's knickers

There, that's my technical evaluation of the two   

Seagultaf wrote:Poor game from Biggar today, uncharacteristically missed a few kicks but also showed little game management or attacking guile, despite having 70% of the ball.

The Scarlet's backs, with Priestland at the helm looked far more dangerous, despite being pipped at the post yet again in a match which was settled late on by the Ospreys stronger bench.

Wales needs a leader at 10, I am not sure that either of these players or the flaky Hook can fulfil the role that Stephen Jones played for Wales. Will one of these guys develop their game or is Patchel the answer?

Biggar played really well considering he had Ben John outside him, Ben john was way to flat and when he finally caught the ball he dropped it. He was shocking yesterday.
Biggar showed magic with that one move which was well worked.
Priestland was good yesterday but he didn't get as much chance to attack and his defense wasn't the best.

Thought Tovey was really good this week though

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:Priestland=my Dad's old pants

Biggar=my granny's knickers

There, that's my technical evaluation of the two   

My own evaluation would've most probably concurred, if i'd had a surfeit of Shiraz.
However, I thought both did ok actually and both showed that they are very capable.
We have in Wales at present, a good number of talented fly halves.
Well done to the regions and the WRU I say.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:Priestland=my Dad's old pants

Biggar=my granny's knickers

There, that's my technical evaluation of the two   

My own evaluation would've most probably concurred, if i'd had a surfeit of Shiraz.
However, I thought both did ok actually and both showed that they are very capable.
We have in Wales at present, a good number of talented fly halves.
Well done to the regions and the WRU I say.

Biggar is capable of performing the basics but not too much more. I don't think he has peripheral vision. Priestland has the brain and the skills but is woefully short in his psychology. He goes into his shell at the slightest error. Grud he needs to toughen up. Honestly I think it's time we looked at someone like Owen Williams (ex Scarlet now at Leicester), Steve Shingler, Sam Davies or Rhys Patchell with a view to getting them up and running before the next RWC. I don't think Priestland, Biggar, Hook or Tovey are good/consistent/reliable enough to take us forward. I also feel the same about scrum half ... pleas Grud can we get someone other than the imbecile Mike Phillips to put their hand up for the No.9 shirt?

Lastly I reckon Jake Ball has been immense for the Scarlets this season ... WQ? If so we need to cap him ASAP.

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Biggar is capable of performing the basics but not too much more. I don't think he has peripheral vision. Priestland has the brain and the skills but is woefully short in his psychology. He goes into his shell at the slightest error. Grud he needs to toughen up. Honestly I think it's time we looked at someone like Owen Williams (ex Scarlet now at Leicester), Steve Shingler, Sam Davies or Rhys Patchell with a view to getting them up and running before the next RWC. I don't think Priestland, Biggar, Hook or Tovey are good/consistent/reliable enough to take us forward. I also feel the same about scrum half ... pleas Grud can we get someone other than the imbecile Mike Phillips to put their hand up for the No.9 shirt?

Lastly I reckon Jake Ball has been immense for the Scarlets this season ... WQ? If so we need to cap him ASAP.

"the imbecile Mike Phillips"???
You what? Brilliant player and Wales' best SH since Terry Holmes.
For me, Biggar is the dogs at present. Priestland next and Patchell is the future.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Biggar is capable of performing the basics but not too much more. I don't think he has peripheral vision. Priestland has the brain and the skills but is woefully short in his psychology. He goes into his shell at the slightest error. Grud he needs to toughen up. Honestly I think it's time we looked at someone like Owen Williams (ex Scarlet now at Leicester), Steve Shingler, Sam Davies or Rhys Patchell with a view to getting them up and running before the next RWC. I don't think Priestland, Biggar, Hook or Tovey are good/consistent/reliable enough to take us forward. I also feel the same about scrum half ... pleas Grud can we get someone other than the imbecile Mike Phillips to put their hand up for the No.9 shirt?

Lastly I reckon Jake Ball has been immense for the Scarlets this season ... WQ? If so we need to cap him ASAP.

"the imbecile Mike Phillips"???
You what? Brilliant player and Wales' best SH since Terry Holmes.
For me, Biggar is the dogs at present. Priestland next and Patchell is the future.

  

Oh you shouldn't.

Bouncer

The boy is a muppet ... and as for his rugby he is one of the worst scrum halves I have ever seen. He's just a meathead who passes like a tight head prop. He's combative, I'll give you that. Give me a scrum half who understands the concept behind quick ball any day!

Have we all forgotten Dwayne Peel already?

IronMike wrote:Have we all forgotten Dwayne Peel already?

Good grief I'd even rate Rupert Moon above Mike Phillips!  

No seriously though, he's pants. Every time he comes up against a nine with half a brain he gets shown up for what he is - a grunt.

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Biggar is capable of performing the basics but not too much more. I don't think he has peripheral vision. Priestland has the brain and the skills but is woefully short in his psychology. He goes into his shell at the slightest error. Grud he needs to toughen up. Honestly I think it's time we looked at someone like Owen Williams (ex Scarlet now at Leicester), Steve Shingler, Sam Davies or Rhys Patchell with a view to getting them up and running before the next RWC. I don't think Priestland, Biggar, Hook or Tovey are good/consistent/reliable enough to take us forward. I also feel the same about scrum half ... pleas Grud can we get someone other than the imbecile Mike Phillips to put their hand up for the No.9 shirt?

Lastly I reckon Jake Ball has been immense for the Scarlets this season ... WQ? If so we need to cap him ASAP.

"the imbecile Mike Phillips"???
You what? Brilliant player and Wales' best SH since Terry Holmes.
For me, Biggar is the dogs at present. Priestland next and Patchell is the future.

  

Oh you shouldn't.

Bouncer

The boy is a muppet ... and as for his rugby he is one of the worst scrum halves I have ever seen. He's just a meathead who passes like a tight head prop. He's combative, I'll give you that. Give me a scrum half who understands the concept behind quick ball any day!

A "muppet", so you say, who is a grand slammer and a Lion. What are you on about?

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Biggar is capable of performing the basics but not too much more. I don't think he has peripheral vision. Priestland has the brain and the skills but is woefully short in his psychology. He goes into his shell at the slightest error. Grud he needs to toughen up. Honestly I think it's time we looked at someone like Owen Williams (ex Scarlet now at Leicester), Steve Shingler, Sam Davies or Rhys Patchell with a view to getting them up and running before the next RWC. I don't think Priestland, Biggar, Hook or Tovey are good/consistent/reliable enough to take us forward. I also feel the same about scrum half ... pleas Grud can we get someone other than the imbecile Mike Phillips to put their hand up for the No.9 shirt?

Lastly I reckon Jake Ball has been immense for the Scarlets this season ... WQ? If so we need to cap him ASAP.

"the imbecile Mike Phillips"???
You what? Brilliant player and Wales' best SH since Terry Holmes.
For me, Biggar is the dogs at present. Priestland next and Patchell is the future.

  

Oh you shouldn't.

Bouncer

The boy is a muppet ... and as for his rugby he is one of the worst scrum halves I have ever seen. He's just a meathead who passes like a tight head prop. He's combative, I'll give you that. Give me a scrum half who understands the concept behind quick ball any day!

A "muppet", so you say, who is a grand slammer and a Lion. What are you on about?

 

 










  

 



 


He is an ass. 

I think 18/24 months time wales will be in a lot happier place when it comes to fly half with biggar being 26 will have more experience, priestland being 28 and then you have owen williams, Josh Lewis who the scarlets see as priestlands replacement and patchell I think as a nation we can be happy come the next world cup who plays 10 as long as these players can become or stay their clubs 10s and become consistent and keep improving

I didn't see the boxing day game, dam family get togethers!!!! But I think Biggar is a bit like Steven Jones, not gonna set the game alight with his style of play, but keeps the team going forward kicks well and is one of the best defensive OH in game at the moment. Rarely missess a tackle. Priestland on the other hand has more flair and is more likely to break the gain line with individual brilliance and has great vision. Unfortunately, he does appear to be more temperamental and his head drops more easily. His tackling isn't as good either.
I think Bigger has matured and developed well over the last 2 seasons and for me should be the current wales 10

If Biggar was ANYWHERE near as good as Jones then we wouldn't be arguing about who is our No1 10.

I did say a bit like
Yhat said I think he could develop into a jones clone. Perhaps Biggar should have a couple vof seasons at Clermont?

I like how the best attacking move of the game came from Biggar and not Priestland.   

I actually watched the game yesterday on iplayer. I thought Biggar out played Priestland in all aspects of the game except goal kicking. Which was surprising. Yet Phil Bennett said said it the other way around???? Normally I wouldn't argue with a legend, but he is a turk lol

I thought Biggar was the better of the two.

I think the issue for Biggar is that his superb goal kicking is negated when it comes to the Wales debate as a result of Halfpenny. Were the 10 required to kick goals for Wales then I have no doubt that Biggar would be selected.

Given Halfpenny at 15, I wonder whether we'll see players like Matt Morgan and Owen Williams enter the fray for Wales in the next couple of years. Both exciting attacking players, and there would be plenty of experience surrounding them in the team.

Patchell is starting to develop into a very tidy player, I had my doubts before his call up to the autumn squad, but hes been fantastic for the Blues in his past few games. And hes going to get a long run at 10 for them.

Patchell is also a good shout. I saw him live last season against Edinburgh at Murrayfield and he controlled the game superbly well. Didn't set the earth on fire, but executed the basics really well and wasn't phased under pressure (Edinburgh had the better of that game but lost, in no small part to the superior game management from Patchell).

He has the attributes to be a great flyhalf, what I like about him is he has a varied game, as if he has the the qualities of both Biggar and Priestland, accurate kicking and being able to spot the gap.

Plus he has a monstrous boot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf-VbiWRNWk

Still bit surprised Tovey is not figuring in peoples equations, he's having a cracking season and ahead of Patchell for me.

Tovey can be a great player, but hes quite injury prone isnt he? I think international rugby would break him

funnyExiledScot wrote:Patchell is also a good shout. I saw him live last season against Edinburgh at Murrayfield and he controlled the game superbly well. Didn't set the earth on fire, but executed the basics really well and wasn't phased under pressure (Edinburgh had the better of that game but lost, in no small part to the superior game management from Patchell).

Patchell certainly has all the skills. However, I think he is a season or two away from Wales starts at the moment. He needs to even out his performances, and get some time playing with decent centres (we just need Patchell, Allen and Williams fit for several games in a row!)

Wouldn't mind seeing him start against Italy/Fiji with Scott Williams/JD2/Roberts.

Welsh Magician wrote:I like how the best attacking move of the game came from Biggar and not Priestland.   

Great move, but only came off as Climo, who had just moved from wing to full back, went for the interception rather than staying in the defensive line. That left that "outstanding defender" Kristian Phillips to defend a huge overlap, which actually he succeeded in doing!

Given the amount of good quality ball that Biggar had, that one move was a very poor return, he had his inside centre lining up too flat and kept getting caught in possession. Priestand lived off scraps, but spun the ball wide with his centres lined up deep. I suspect that if Priestland had been playing 10 for the Ospreys, he would have done a lot more with the ball they won.

Biggar
Priestland
Patchell
Hook
Tovey

In that order at 10 for wales.

Biggar has had to play with half a backline of scrumhalves for about a season and a half, is it any surprise he hasnt been as creative as priestland who has scott williams and jd2 outside him at 12 all the time?

If the 10s getting caught because he cant get the ball away to his 12 (who's too flat) its because his centre is timing his run incorrectly.

You need to play a partnership in midfield (9/10/12) and there needs to be a good balance to their games. Scarlets have this balance very nicely, and helps Priestland along, the Ospreys had it when Khan at 9 and Beck was at 12 sandwiching Biggar, hey ho he looked a lot more creative then, because of the threats either side.

A number 10 only looks as good in attack when the defense is set as he can in association with his 9 and 12. Neither Priestland nor Biggar are exactly silky runners.

Im a blues fan, Patchell is the future.

Rhodri Williams
Patchell
North
Scott Williams
JD2
Cuthbert/Eli Walker (horses for courses)
Halfpenny

thats a backline with everything and I'd love to se it be developed for the next world cup.

Seagultaf wrote:

Welsh Magician wrote:I like how the best attacking move of the game came from Biggar and not Priestland.   

Great move, but only came off as Climo, who had just moved from wing to full back, went for the interception rather than staying in the defensive line. That left that "outstanding defender" Kristian Phillips to defend a huge overlap, which actually he succeeded in doing!

Given the amount of good quality ball that Biggar had, that one move was a very poor return, he had his inside centre lining up too flat and kept getting caught in possession. Priestand lived off scraps, but spun the ball wide with his centres lined up deep. I suspect that if Priestland had been playing 10 for the Ospreys, he would have done a lot more with the ball they won.

You suspect, good for you.