Fathers training Sons In Boxing - Good or bad idea ??

Good - Mike Rossman....Felt reassured having his Pop in the corner and looking after his affairs...Even helped the crazy Rossman keep some money by telling him his biggest purse had been stolen...Also guided an average 175er to the title..

Worked for Calzaghe also..

Bad - Matty Hilton / Darkie Smith....

Dave Hilton was a frustrated ex middle who had 5 Sons...One Matthew blossomed at world level...Unfortunately Dad wouldn't accept no for an answer against Hines and basically ruined his Son's career... We all saw Darkie Smith get banned when he couldn't handle Paul being hammered off Hatton...

There is also the pressure element..

RJJ doesn't like his dad, either does Hatton now.

Cotto moved on. Cleverly is too.

Richie Woodhall did well under his dad.

It all depends on their level of knowledge for. I got the feeling that Vince Cleverly knew very little about boxing from a coaches perspective, and I can't imagine he was getting Cleverly to work on defence in training camps.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Good - Mike Rossman....Felt reassured having his Pop in the corner and looking after his affairs...Even helped the crazy Rossman keep some money by telling him his biggest purse had been stolen...Also guided an average 175er to the title..

Worked for Calzaghe also..

Bad - Matty Hilton / Darkie Smith....

Dave Hilton was a frustrated ex middle who had 5 Sons...One Matthew blossomed at world level...Unfortunately Dad wouldn't accept no for an answer against Hines and basically ruined his Son's career...  We all saw Darkie Smith get banned when he couldn't handle Paul being hammered off Hatton...

There is also the pressure element..

It was Stephen, not Paul... and Darkie jumped in because he felt Hatton was being too free with the elbow and that Mickey Vann was letting him get away with it.

I think the main issue with Father and Son boxing teams is ego. Some of them struggle to cope with the fact that they play second fiddle to their kids (Mayweather and Mosley immediately spring to mind) and that their children a viewed more highly than them.

Some people have such fragile egos that they can't abide being beaten by their children on games consoles...I know, ridiculous isn't it?

I am not a fan of these father trainers who have never stepped into a ring for a fight.

A trainer should have a career in boxing to talk of. I don't think it right that any joe bloggs can pick up some pads and declare themselves trainers.

This is a great thread. A breath of fresh air and something different to debate in boxing.    

Remember Marvis nearly getting killed off Larry..

He looked more like a Paul though

Yeah, Joe's in-ring ability bore no relation to his son's in-ring ability whatsoever. However, something tells me young Marvis beat his dad at catch shortly before the fight with Larry was signed and Joe thought, " I will have my revenge"

In fairness Marvis was ahead after 30 seconds....

Notice Eubank jr has some of his Daddy's worst traits...

Cheap imitations never do well..

You say that but my Fartier watch has been going well for months now

I think that if you haven't boxed or been apart of the boxing scene, (may run a gym, been around assisting other trainers.) Then you really shouldn't be giving out advice in the corner during a fight. (Nothing wrong with accompanying your son/daughter to the gym and saying they're doing okay.)

The other problem is as Dave said, the father becoming jealous of their offspring as they've surpassed the level that the father was at, or passing on bad advice/traits.

One other thing noones mentioned is the physcological aspect. Some fighters may thrive on having their father in their corner while others it may distract them. (thinking they're dissapointing their dad's etc.)

Was interesting to see Steve Collins in Jr's corner the other night, am assuming Sr is his trainer.

Always think weight of expectation can be worse when the man you're trying to better is sat right in your corner.

Jr didn't look any great shakes, still has a rugby players physique, could probably make LHW fine if he toned down the beach muscles.

John Mugabi used to have a Man of the cloth in his corner...Made him feel better...

Guess it's reassurance or added pressure having pop in the corner depending on Pop himself..

I'm sure my Father in law would love to be in the corner If I was getting trashed..Give him a better view..

Angel Garcia isn't doing too bad a job.

This is entirely down to the individuals involved but I've always figured that an 'impartial' figure is needed. Removed somewhat from the emotion.

Shane Mosley tended to do well with Jack in his corner -- always appeared a calming influence in there.

Jerry Quarry always springs to mind here. His father was co-manager rather than trainer, however, his influence led to Quarry's "Rocky" style of fighting that ultimately led to horrific health issues.

Yes It was a shame about Jerry....Top fighter at a bad time..

Danny gracias father does a good job in my opinion ok he's a right pleb but I think he goads the opponent into hating him so Swift can just do what he does I think it's quite clever tbh

hazharrison wrote:Shane Mosley tended to do well with Jack in his corner -- always appeared a calming influence in there.

Jerry Quarry always springs to mind here. His father was co-manager rather than trainer, however, his influence led to Quarry's "Rocky" style of fighting that ultimately led to horrific health issues.

His brother Mike also suffered from Pugilistic Dementia, he suffered forever living in the shadow of his older brother and felt the need to try and entertain the crowd to carve out his own reputation.

Livingstone Bramble once had a witchdoctor in his corner, I think it was at his fight with Mancini.