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Post by wolfball Thu 20 Feb 2014, 2:59 pm

I just wanted to say that finally, the new meedja is producing the type of top quality rugby analysis that has been missing from established papers and droning pundits for a long time (forever!). Some of these bloggers are fully amateur and they are producing fantastic analysis and also building real communities online. Examples include:

whiffofcordite.com
dementedmole.com
and last but not least Murray Kinsella's #Analysis articles, such as this one: http://www.thescore.ie/analysis-ireland-wales-kicking-1314533-Feb2014/
Murray's use of the GIF to tease out patterns from games, is brilliant.

Anyone have any other examples, particularly with a not solely-irish bent?

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Post by Casartelli Thu 20 Feb 2014, 3:30 pm

I've always considered my own work on here to be of the highest order.

I may start a blog, if I can figure out what one is.

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Thu 20 Feb 2014, 3:39 pm

Green and gold rugby does some excellent analysis,it's an Aussie site so very Super Rugby and Quad Nations focused but they have some really good stuff.

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Post by Rugby Fan Thu 20 Feb 2014, 3:51 pm

Scott Allen produced a lot of analysis for Green and Gold but has now switched to doing so for The Roar.

In his recent post, he appears to be in conversation with someone called biltongbek (nice one, mate)

http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/02/20/roar-rugby-show-episode-1-for-2014/

The sound on that one is terrible. When he has produced his own videos, rather than a roundtable discussion, they have been very professional. His analysis of the Australian scrum has been linked to here on more than one occasion.

The big boost for online analysis has been access to match footage. Using clips to illustrate a point appears to pass the "fair use" test - or else the copyright holders can't be bothered to close down this cottage industry.

Since teams of all flavours do so much video work, I'd like too see more of it in mainstream rugby coverage. We do get some during a match but I think these media outlets are missing a trick by not posting more of it themselves online. Perhaps they are more constrained by rights issues.

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Post by SecretFly Thu 20 Feb 2014, 4:08 pm

Casartelli wrote:I've always considered my own work on here to be of the highest order.

I may start a blog, if I can figure out what one is.

A Blog is the place where failed journalists/gossips go to pretend they're working for CNN Wink

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Post by Biltong Thu 20 Feb 2014, 4:32 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:Scott Allen produced a lot of analysis for Green and Gold but has now switched to doing so for The Roar.

In his recent post, he appears to be in conversation with someone called biltongbek (nice one, mate)

http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/02/20/roar-rugby-show-episode-1-for-2014/

The sound on that one is terrible. When he has produced his own videos, rather than a roundtable discussion, they have been very professional. His analysis of the Australian scrum has been linked to here on more than one occasion.

The big boost for online analysis has been access to match footage. Using clips to illustrate a point appears to pass the "fair use" test - or else the copyright holders can't be bothered to close down this cottage industry.

Since teams of all flavours do so much video work, I'd like too see more of it in mainstream rugby coverage. We do get some during a match but I think these media outlets are missing a trick by not posting more of it themselves online. Perhaps they are more constrained by rights issues.
we did it on skype, my first one, I didn't realise without a headset there will be so much feedback.

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Post by Rugby Fan Thu 20 Feb 2014, 4:37 pm

Biltong wrote:we did it on skype, my first one, I didn't realise without a headset there will be so much feedback.

Keep doing them. The 606 rugby podcast often sounded dreadful but, when people have something interesting to say, you can get over it. I listen through speakers, though. I suspect dodgy sound quality is more of a challenge through headphones or ear buds.

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Post by Biltong Thu 20 Feb 2014, 4:39 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:
Biltong wrote:we did it on skype, my first one, I didn't realise without a headset there will be so much feedback.

Keep doing them. The 606 rugby podcast often sounded dreadful but, when people have something interesting to say, you can get over it. I listen through speakers, though. I suspect dodgy sound quality is more of a challenge through headphones or ear buds.
apparantly their's are all done with headphones, so I will know next time.
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Post by blackcanelion Sat 22 Feb 2014, 10:44 pm

Just a question. Does anyone know of good stats sites. I know that Opta collect a lot of info and some it goes on widgets that rugby apps can use. It's great the info that they get (e.g. location and time of each action on the field), but most of the sites I see only show you limited info none of which really help you really understand the game.

I know that working with companies to create apps: e.g.
http://aigrugby.challengepost.com/

The question is does anyone know of any good sites.

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Post by GloriousEmpire Mon 24 Feb 2014, 7:45 am

analysis, and resulting successful prediction will of course always be a special art for which some are more capable than others. For instance using the natural ability to read the game, team strengths and weaknesses in order to foresee who might win, say, the first nine six nations clashes.

That's a special empathy for the game, and anyone with this ability should be highly lauded and their opinions held in the highest regard. Whistle

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