Lomochenko - Where now?

This guy has talent, no doubting that, but his hype train has come to a grinding halt after Saturday night. Bob Arum has made a mistake by chucking him in to a tough fight so early, and Salido gave a blue print for future opponents to trouble Lomo.

Where do you guys seem Lomo going in the next 12 months?

I think that although he lost, for me it wasn't a big surprise. Some on here where too ignorant to view Salido for what he is, but he is a world class opponent regardless of his losses.

Lomo did fantastic to go 12 rounds at that pace considering he had never fought more than 4 rounds. A loss will be the wake up call that Lomo needs and I think this fight was probably the best thing to happen as it's all a learning curve.

The rough house tactics aren't really an issue in the amateurs so now he will be aware of this in future .

Some people feel boxers are done after they lose. Well that's stupid, fighters don't lose that early because they don't jump in against good opponents of Salidos calibre.

The hype train has stalled momentarily but the skill and talent is still there for all too see.

Good luck to him

Well, he's proved he can last the 12 rounds absolutely fine - looking, in fact, better and more dangerous in the 12th than any other round!

So, with that concern put to bed, he just needs to get back to doing what he does best - boxing. Sure he can still win a world title in 10 fights or less, just needs to work himself back into contention.

Agree with D, fight was a good wake-up call for him about the pro-game. Maybe if he'd done a Hoppo (or Steiglitz) and squealed blue-murder early doors over the low blows the ref might have done something. I have no doubt the more open that fight had been the more secure a Loma win would have been (scored it to him anyway, as it happens).

I place little stock in an '0', so don't see that as an issue. He's young and on a steep learning curve, just needs to ditch some of the hoopla and get some good wins under his belt - plenty of time for 2 if not 3 by year end.

"where too ignorant......" ....

Where art thou Romeo ??.......  

Hopefully in losing his 0 he will go on to be champion and other fighters can learn from that and start taking risks.

Too much is made of being unbeaten which leads to fighters being undermatched and the fans missing out.

huw wrote:Hopefully in losing his 0 he will go on to be champion and other fighters can learn from that and start taking risks.

Too much is made of being unbeaten which leads to fighters being undermatched and the fans missing out.

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If too much is being made of being unbeaten..........I can understand why people guard the 0... jealously these days..

Broner's lost once and he's all hype..

Course you can......

Glad you agree..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If too much is being made of being unbeaten..........I can understand why people guard the  0... jealously these days..

Broner's lost once and he's all hype..

But Truss, that is because so many pad their records and then lose once they step up, hence people now think they are hype jobs.

Lomenchenko has the ability to buck that trend and prove there is more to him.

The only reason the 0 is guarded is for the promoters to sell and it does nothing for boxing fans.

If more boxers would take the risks more boxers would lose, then people wouldn't care about the 0.

This isn't a swipe at Floyd, the same could be levelled at Calzaghe (although obviously not by me as a Welshman!) and many others.

Whilst there are fighters out there like Wilder or Fury (although Fury was prepared to get beat when he signed for Haye) that aren't stepping up and are just padding out their records it is conning fans.

Huw I see where you are coming from..........But you know as well as I do.......Losses are held against people more now now than in the past..

Poor old khan still gets prescott chucked at him.....Curry was hammered for Honeyghan back home..

Different times now Mate..........Black and white times........You're hot or you're cold.

The 0 has never been more important.

WBO want lomachenko to fight for the vacant title in his next fight.

Lomachenko had tremendous confidence that now looks a bit like arrogance. He probably believed his own hype.

Arum said at the time Loma turned pro that he should have some learning fights to build experience instead of going straight for a title. Loma said he signed with Arum because Bob could get him a world title fight more quickly than other promoters.

We know from looking at a weak character built on hype and arrogance such as Naz that one defeat can bring down the house of straw with one huff and a puff. Let's see what Loma is like after tasting such public defeat.

I also agree that losing his '0' will effect his marketability. He gave it a go and I commend him, was he naive in a business sense then yes he probably was.

True about the 0, but it does depend on the nature of the defeats. Khan was sparked in a minute by a slugger, loma dropped a split decision in his second fight... For a world title. It will calm down some of the hype, and takes the early shine off his marketability... But if he goes on to fulfil your p4p no 1 prediction truss, it won't really count against him... Except to some keyboard warriors with a stencil to grind.

Hoppo lost his first ever fight. He hasn't done too bad....

The '0' adds intrigue which makes it easy to market.

I don't agree with the whole notion but promoters hold it very dear, pun intended.

Strongback wrote:I don't agree with the whole notion but promoters hold it very dear, pun intended.

You mean that damn blighter Eddie..The guy responsible for flooding in Somerset.....and famine across Africa.........

"I'll get you Penelope Pitstop "!!......."You fiend".......  

Maybe the best thing for the fans that he lost. He can get on with it now instead of worrying about being unbeaten.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:I don't agree with the whole notion but promoters hold it very dear, pun intended.

You mean that damn blighter Eddie..The guy responsible for flooding in Somerset.....and famine across Africa.........

"I'll get you Penelope Pitstop "!!......."You fiend".......  

Eddie's not that clever, fortunately for him he has a rich slick daddyo.

Bit like Truss then.....

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:I don't agree with the whole notion but promoters hold it very dear, pun intended.

You mean that damn blighter Eddie..The guy responsible for flooding in Somerset.....and famine across Africa.........

"I'll get you Penelope Pitstop "!!......."You fiend".......  

Eddie's not that clever, fortunately for him he has a rich slick daddyo.

Usurped Warren as the biggest Boxing promoter in the UK..........

Can't be that stupid.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Bit like Truss then.....

  

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:I don't agree with the whole notion but promoters hold it very dear, pun intended.

You mean that damn blighter Eddie..The guy responsible for flooding in Somerset.....and famine across Africa.........

"I'll get you Penelope Pitstop "!!......."You fiend".......  

Eddie's not that clever, fortunately for him he has a rich slick daddyo.

Usurped Warren as the biggest Boxing promoter in the UK..........

Can't be that stupid.

Yeah he did that in the 90's as well.

Eddie was promoting in the 90s..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Eddie was promoting in the 90s..

You think Barry doesn't hold the reins?

There's no way he'd let Eddie loose on his own.

You know them so well..

think gary russell jr has been rumored to be fighting for the title left vacant at the weekend, think loma would fair better against him and possibly wins that fight, but if he has to win again before he challenges for a title (which i doubt) lopez would be a decent option as they both lost to salido

eddyfightfan wrote:think gary russell jr has been rumored to be fighting for the title left vacant at the weekend, think loma would fair better against him and possibly wins that fight, but if he has to win again before he challenges for a title (which i doubt) lopez would be a decent option as they both lost to salido

Juan Manuel Lopez is fighting Daniel Ponce de Leon later this month.

If lomachenko beats Russell Jr and Donaire beats Vetyeka, would Uncle Bob make a lomachenko Donaire unification fight?

probably not, lomachenko is the underdog in my eyes (quite considerably) and think donaire is too near the end of his career and loma too near the beginning of his for bob to risk another loss to his most promising fighter.

That would depend on whether Donaire wants the fight, if he does then Arum will be forced into making it but if he doesn't then expect to see them move in different directions.

Potentially, this could really stall any chances of him having a stand out professional career. He only ever lost one amateur fight which he avenged twice.

To go and lose against, with the greatest respect, a fighter not really considered to be world level does highlight he has obvious flaws which may not suit the pro game...

This could be a costly mistake given an "0"/ undefeated record is viewed so strongly in boxing forums.

Salido is world level, there's seen to have been an upsurge in non truths spouted on here recently.

All Time Great wrote:Potentially, this could really stall any chances of him having a stand out professional career. He only ever lost one amateur fight which he avenged twice.

To go and lose against, with the greatest respect, a fighter not really considered to be world level does highlight he has obvious flaws which may not suit the pro game...

This could be a costly mistake given an "0"/ undefeated record is viewed so strongly in boxing forums.

There hasn't been a fighter born yet who didn't have obvious flaws which needed to be ironed out in the professional game when they were only one / two fights in to their career, All Time Great, no matter how great they were as an amateur. But the idea was that Lomachenko, being such a phenomenal amateur, would already have so fewer of these flaws than other one-fight professionals that he'd be able to get by someone like Salido, a good but not great fighter, at a very early stage.

Regardless of whether he'd won, lost or drawn the other night, and regardless of whether he looked a million dollars or a little underwhelming in doing so, you can't use it as a way to pre-empt how the rest of his career will go or how good he could go on to be with more experience, in my opinion. I've said it a lot, but no matter how good a fighter was wearing the vest, it's still a different kettle of fish in the pro ranks and it showed again there.

Nothing for Lomachenko to be ashamed of, or to berate himself too much for either in my opinion. He might not win a fast-tracked world title in them, but I'm sure that he'll be a much better fighter in seven or eight fights time than he is now. And he's already pretty good; he lost a close split decision to a good, solid world level operator. The hype will die down now and there'll be a bit of a backlash as people arguably got a bit carried away in the first place, but I don't want to go too far the other way to compensate. He can still have a good, long and successful career.

Thing is how patient will his promoter be with him...........In the learning phase....

After all two fights in he's fought at world level.......and Arum isn't going to shell out money for him to get an apprenticeship..........when he came up a bit short !!

Lomo has made his bed and he's going to have to learn at title level and learn quick !!

He carries on and has a very successful career and takes onboard the vital lesson he has learned from his first 2 fights in the Pro game. He may well have a better career long term by not being burdened by the undefeated tag as this seems to lead to a tendency to protect it more and more as time goes by. I honestly think if he fought Salido again in a months time he would win easily and probably stop him.

I fully believe Lomochenko will go on to become a strong champion. I wasn't surprised at all by Salido winning. I thought Lomo was the favourite, but actually stuck a £10 on Salido when I saw he was 5/1 - which I thought was ridiculous.

He's been in with one of the top guys in the division for the full 12 rounds. He hung with him well and could have finished it in the twelfth. A touch more professional savvy and he'll be a force. He seemed to take the loss in a decent way. Almost didn't seem bothered. I think it'll be a great learning experience for him.

Orlando Salido has lost 12 fights, so he's no stranger to defeats despite being classified as a world level fighter.

It's not just about losing your "0" from a physiological perspective of being an unbeaten fighter, it's the marketability that comes with that. Amir Khan is mocked from pillar to post from losing 3 fights. For Loma to lose his second fight, I can't see how Top Rank can market him?

He may struggle to secure big fights now, and another defeat to an average fighter pretty much spells the end of his professional career. I'm not convinced he'll go on to be a P4P champion. Alphabet champion possibly, but I was disappointed by his performance given he had such a stellar amateur career.

He lost his second fight to world class fighter, forget all this trash about Salido losing 12 times, the majority were early in his career (the great Henry Armstrong lost 3 of his first four). That simple fact is why it won't derail his career and he didn't lose to a Prescott or a Peterson, they'll continue to market him as a great amateur.

You talk as if there's any shame in losing to Salido because there certainly isn't, he's not average, he's a world class hugely experienced world champion. That Lomachenko was able to run him so close in only his second fight tells the whole story.

Salido never fought as an amateur. He turned pro at 15. 


Since Salido's fight with Lamont Pearson in 2002, Siri's 27-4(one ND). 

Salido's losses in that time have been to Juan Manuel Marquez, Crisobal Cruz, Yuriokis Gamboa and Miguel Angel Garcia. Aside from Cruz, no shame in losing to the other three.

Well, if this article on boxingscene.com has any truth to it, then he seems to be taking the right lessons from defeat.

I think the lack of 12 round experience was a factor. Salido knows he can pressure always. Lomachenko does not yet have that type of confidence instilled in him.

I think it's a great thing that he took this challenge at such an early stage of his career. He was ready enough at least to be a significant threat to a top fighter. It's refreshing to me that someone would try to turn the "protect and pad" style of record building on it's head. Might not have been the most sensible move for him money-wise, but the more we can have boxers reaching for big challenges, the better I say.

Admired his attitude going into the fight, admire his honesty after it. He saw the fight as I did, he'll learn and come back better.