6Ns average ages

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The data where necessary is presented in decimal years and assumes 365¼ days per year.

User digest:
Country/Starters' ø age/Bench ø age/Squad ø age
England 25.29 25.04 25.20 [ed] 4th round 25.54 25.86 25.65
France 26.77 26.39 26.64
Ireland 29.38 25.50 28.03
Italy 27.70 28.42 27.95
Scotland 27.40 29.05 27.98
Wales 27.18 25.91 26.74 [ed] 26.63 26.74 26.67

England

Code:

DoB Age (decimal yrs)
15 Michael Noel Brown 04/09/1985 28.50
14 Jack Thomas Nowell 11/04/1993 20.90
13 Luther Davis Burrell 06/12/1987 26.25
12 William Wesley F. Twelvetrees 15/11/1988 25.31
11 Jonathan James May 01/04/1990 23.93
10 Owen Andrew Farrell 24/09/1991 22.45 Ave Backs
9 Daniel Stuart Care 02/01/1987 27.18 24.93
1 Joseph William G. Marler 07/07/1990 23.67
2 Dylan Michael Hartley 24/03/1986 27.95
3 David George Wilson 09/04/1985 28.91
4 Joseph Oliver Launchbury 12/04/1991 22.90
5 Courtney Linford Lawes 23/02/1989 25.03
6 Thomas Andrew Wood 03/11/1986 27.34
7 Christopher Denis C. Robshaw 04/06/1986 27.76
8 Benjamin John Morgan 18/02/1989 25.05 Ave Forwards 26.08
 Average Starters' age 25.54
16 Thomas Nicholas Youngs 29/01/1987 27.10
17 Makovina Wanangarua I Whanga Nui-Atara Vunipola 13/01/1991 23.15
18 Henry Morgan Thomas 30/10/1991 22.35
19 David Michael J. Attwood 05/04/1987 26.92
20 Thomas Anthony Johnson 16/07/1982 31.64 Ave Repl. Forwards 26.23
21 Lee Alwyne Walter Dickson 29/03/1985 28.94
22 George Thomas Ford 16/03/1993 20.97
23 Alexander David Goode 07/05/1988 25.83 Ave Repl. Backs 25.25
 Average Bench age 25.86
Average Squad age 25.65


France

Code:

DoB Age (decimal yrs)
15 Brice Dulin 13/04/1990 23.90
14 Yoann Huget 02/06/1987 26.76
13 Mathieu Bastareaud 17/09/1988 25.46
12 Maxime Mermoz 28/07/1986 27.61
11 Maxime Medard 16/11/1986 27.30
10 Jules Plisson 20/08/1991 22.54 Ave Backs
9 Maxime Machenaud 30/12/1988 25.18 25.54
1 Thomas Domingo 20/08/1985 28.54
2 Brice Mach 02/04/1986 27.93
3 Nicolas Mas 11/12/1982 31.23
4 Pascal Pape 05/10/1980 33.42
5 Yoann Maestri 14/01/1988 26.14
6 Sebastien Vahaamahina 21/10/1991 22.37
7 Alexandre Lapandry 13/04/1989 24.90 Ave Forwards
8 Damien Chouly 27/11/1985 28.27 27.85
 Average Starters' age 26.77
16 Guilhem Guirado 17/06/1986 27.72
17 Vincent Debaty 02/10/1981 32.42
18 Rabah Slimani 18/10/1989 24.38
19 Alexandre Flanquart 09/10/1989 24.41 Ave Repl. Forwards
20 Antonie Delport Claassen 20/10/1984 29.37 27.66
21 Jean-Marc Doussain 12/02/1991 23.06
22 Remi Tales 02/05/1984 29.84 Ave Repl. Backs
23 Gael Fickou 26/03/1994 19.95 24.28
 Average Bench age 26.39
Average Squad age 26.64


Ireland

Code:

DoB Age (decimal yrs)
15 Robert Kearney 26/03/1986 27.95
14 Andrew David Trimble 20/10/1984 29.37
13 Brian Gerald O'Driscoll 21/01/1979 35.12
12 Gordon William D'Arcy 10/02/1980 34.07
11 David Kearney 19/06/1989 24.71
10 Jonathan Sexton 11/07/1985 28.65 Ave Backs
9 Conor Murray 20/04/1989 24.88 29.25
1 Cian Eoin Healy 07/10/1987 26.41
2 Rory David Best 15/08/1982 31.56
3 Michael Avery Ross 21/12/1979 34.21
4 Devin Toner 29/06/1986 27.69
5 Paul Jeremiah O'Connell 20/10/1979 34.38
6 William Iain Henderson 21/02/1992 22.04
7 Christopher Henry 17/10/1984 29.38 Ave Forwards
8 James Peter Richard Heaslip 15/12/1983 30.22 29.48
 Average Starters' age 29.38
16 Sean Cronin 06/05/1986 27.83
17 Jack Cormac McGrath 11/10/1989 24.40
18 Martin Joseph Moore 01/10/1991 22.43
19 Rhys Ruddock 13/11/1990 23.31 Ave Repl. Forwards
20 Jordi Murphy 22/04/1991 22.87 25.78
21 Eoin Reddan 20/11/1980 33.29
22 David Patrick Lindsay James Jackson 05/01/1992 22.17 Ave Repl. Backs
23 Fergus McFadden 17/06/1986 27.72 27.72
 Average Bench age 25.50
Average Squad age 28.03


Italy

Code:

DoB Age (decimal yrs)
15 Luke Joseph McLean 29/06/1987 26.69
14 Angelo Esposito 14/06/1993 20.73
13 Michele Campagnaro 13/03/1993 20.98
12 Gonzalo Manuel Garcia 18/02/1984 30.05
11 Leonardo Sarto 15/01/1992 22.14
10 Luciano Orquera 12/10/1981 32.40 Ave Backs
9 Tito Tebaldi 23/07/1987 26.62 25.66
1 Alberto de Marchi 13/03/1986 27.98
2 Leonardo Lorenzo Ghiraldini 26/12/1984 29.19
3 Martin Leandro Castrogiovanni 21/10/1981 32.37
4 Quintin Geldenhuys 19/06/1981 32.71
5 Marco Bortolami 12/06/1980 33.73
6 Raffaele Joshua Furno 21/10/1989 24.37
7 Paul Edward Derbyshire 03/11/1986 27.34 Ave Forwards
8 Robert Julian Barbieri 27/11/1985 28.27 29.50
 Average Starters' age 27.70
16 Davide Giazzon 16/01/1986 28.13
17 Michele Rizzo 16/09/1982 31.47
18 Lorenzo Cittadini 17/12/1982 31.22
19 Antonio Pavanello 13/10/1982 31.39 Ave Repl. Forwards
20 Ratu Manoa Seru Vosawai 12/08/1983 30.57 30.56
21 Edoardo Gori 05/03/1990 24.00
22 Tommaso Allan 26/04/1993 20.86 Ave Repl. Backs
23 Robert Julian Barbieri 05/06/1984 29.75 24.87
 Average Bench age 28.42
Average Squad age 27.95


Scotland

Code:

DoB Age (decimal yrs)
15 Stuart William Hogg 24/06/1992 21.70
14 Thomas Samuel Fenwick Seymour 01/07/1988 25.68
13 Alexander James Dunbar 23/04/1990 23.87
12 Matthew Clive MacCrimmon Scott 30/09/1990 23.43
11 Sean Fergus Lamont 15/01/1981 33.14
10 Duncan Weir 10/05/1991 22.82 Ave Backs
9 Greig David Laidlaw 12/10/1985 28.40 25.58
1 Ryan Grant 08/10/1985 28.41
2 Scott Lawson 28/09/1981 32.44
3 Geoffrey Dominic Sebastian Cross 11/12/1982 31.23
4 Richard James Gray 24/08/1989 24.53
5 James Leigh Hamilton 17/11/1982 31.30
6 John William Beattie 21/11/1985 28.29
7 Kelly David Robert Brown 08/06/1982 31.74 Ave Forwards
8 David Kipling Denton 05/02/1990 24.08 29.00
 Average Starters' age 27.40
16 Ross William Ford 23/04/1984 29.87
17 Alasdair Granville Dickinson 11/09/1983 30.48
18 Euan Alistair Murray 07/08/1980 33.58
19 Timothy James Montagu Swinson 17/02/1987 27.05 Ave Repl. Forwards
20 Ryan Wilson 18/05/1989 24.80 29.15
21 Christopher Peter Cusiter 13/06/1982 31.73
22 Duncan McWilliam Taylor 05/09/1989 24.50 Ave Repl. Backs
23 Maxwell Brian Evan 28/09/1983 30.44 28.89
 Average Bench age 29.05
Average Squad age 27.98


Wales

Code:

DoB Age (decimal yrs)
15 Stephen Leigh Halfpenny 22/12/1988 25.20
14 Alexander Charles G. Cuthbert 05/04/1990 23.92
13 Jonathan James Vaughan Davies 05/04/1988 25.92
12 Jamie Huw Roberts 08/11/1986 27.33
11 George Philip North 13/04/1992 21.90
10 Rhys Priestland 09/01/1987 27.16
9 Rhys Webb 09/10/1988 25.41 Ave Backs 25.26
1 Gethin David Jenkins 17/11/1980 33.30
2 Richard Martin Hibbard 13/12/1983 30.23
3 Adam Rhys Jones 08/03/1981 33.00
4 Jake David Ball 21/06/1991 22.71
5 Alun-Wyn Jones 19/09/1985 28.46
6 Danny John Lydiate 18/12/1987 26.22
7 Sam Kennedy Warburton 05/10/1988 25.42
8 Tangaki Taulupe Faletau 12/11/1990 23.32 Ave Forwards 27.83
 Average Starters' age 26.63
16 Kenneth James Owens 03/01/1987 27.17
17 Paul James 13/05/1982 31.82
18 Rhodri Powell Jones 23/12/1991 22.20
19 Andrew Coombs 27/10/1984 29.36
20 Justin Tipuric 06/08/1989 24.58 Ave Repl. Forwards 27.03
21 William Michael Phillips 29/08/1982 31.52
22 Daniel Rhys Biggar 16/10/1989 24.39
23 Liam Brian Williams 09/04/1991 22.91 Ave Repl. Backs 26.27
 Average Bench age 26.74
Average Squad age 26.67



Portnoy's Complaint wrote:

Code:

 DoB Age (decimal yrs)
15 Israel Dagg 06/06/1988 25.75
14 Cory Steven Jane 08/02/1983 31.07
13 Conrad Gerard Smith 12/10/1981 32.40
12 Ma'a Allan Nonu 21/05/1982 31.79
11 Richard Kahui 09/06/1985 28.74
10 Aaron Wiremu Cruden 08/01/1989 25.16 Ave Backs
9 Piri Awahou Tihou Weepu 07/09/1983 30.50 29.35
1 Kieran James Read 26/01/1985 29.11
2 Richard Hugh McCaw 31/10/1980 33.35
3 Jerome Kaino 06/04/1983 30.92
4 Samuel Lawrence Whitelock 12/10/1988 25.40
5 Bradley Carnegie Thorn 03/03/1975 39.01
6 Owen Thomas Franks 23/12/1987 26.20
7 Keven Filipo Mealamu 20/03/1979 34.97 Ave Forwards
8 Tony Dale Woodcock 27/01/1981 33.11 31.51
 Average Starters' age 30.50
16 Andrew Keith Hore 13/09/1978 35.48
17 Benjamin John Franks 27/03/1984 29.94
18 Alexander James Williams 30/04/1981 32.85
19 Adam Thomson 13/03/1982 31.98 Ave Repl. Forwards
20 Andrew Michael Ellis 21/02/1984 30.04 32.06
21 Stephen Donald 03/12/1983 30.26
22 Sonny William Williams 03/08/1985 28.59 Ave Repl. Backs
 Average Bench age 31.31
Average Squad age 30.76



That's ages now.

Subtract 2.37 for RWC final 2011.

That's your homework.

Data taken from Wiki not ESPN.

Portnoy, see above, already done his homework for him   

"ball comes in for charteris so that should lower the age"

On a rough and ready basis, by about 0.7 of a year for the matchday team (10 years difference), making Wales only very marginally different from England

killer938 wrote:

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:

Code:

 DoB Age (decimal yrs)
15 Israel Dagg 06/06/1988 25.75
14 Cory Steven Jane 08/02/1983 31.07
13 Conrad Gerard Smith 12/10/1981 32.40
12 Ma'a Allan Nonu 21/05/1982 31.79
11 Richard Kahui 09/06/1985 28.74
10 Aaron Wiremu Cruden 08/01/1989 25.16 Ave Backs
9 Piri Awahou Tihou Weepu 07/09/1983 30.50 29.35
1 Kieran James Read 26/01/1985 29.11
2 Richard Hugh McCaw 31/10/1980 33.35
3 Jerome Kaino 06/04/1983 30.92
4 Samuel Lawrence Whitelock 12/10/1988 25.40
5 Bradley Carnegie Thorn 03/03/1975 39.01
6 Owen Thomas Franks 23/12/1987 26.20
7 Keven Filipo Mealamu 20/03/1979 34.97 Ave Forwards
8 Tony Dale Woodcock 27/01/1981 33.11 31.51
 Average Starters' age 30.50
16 Andrew Keith Hore 13/09/1978 35.48
17 Benjamin John Franks 27/03/1984 29.94
18 Alexander James Williams 30/04/1981 32.85
19 Adam Thomson 13/03/1982 31.98 Ave Repl. Forwards
20 Andrew Michael Ellis 21/02/1984 30.04 32.06
21 Stephen Donald 03/12/1983 30.26
22 Sonny William Williams 03/08/1985 28.59 Ave Repl. Backs
 Average Bench age 31.31
Average Squad age 30.76



That's ages now.

Subtract 2.37 for RWC final 2011.

That's your homework.

Data taken from Wiki not ESPN.

Portnoy, see above, already done his homework for him   

I'd guess that you did rounded-down chronological age to explain the differences in your calcs, killer.

Nah, I just took their age at the time and didn't include the months, so if someone was 29 years and 2 months or 29 years and 10 months I just said they were 29, it's not 100% accurate but gave a rough idea at least

Sorry, just re-read your post, yes I did, haha

How about SA '07? I assume they were even older? Monty, Smit, DuRant, and Matfield etc. all quite old. England the other finalists had some dinosaurs like Catt at 36.

So the 2011 winners were Starters 28.13, Bench 27.94, Squad 28.39.

And we still have to add 1.65 to today's age to find a RWC final age.

Seems like a lot of changes to be made in Ireland. No matter, In about 12 months, the IRFU will give Schmidt a post-RWC extended contract if past precedent becomes the norm.

I'd say that the average optimum age of the backs and back-rowers would be about 26-7 and the front five about 29-30.

GunsGerms wrote:How about SA '07? I assume they were even older? Monty, Smit, DuRant, and Matfield etc. all quite old. England the other finalists had some dinosaurs like Catt at 36.

Are you just too lazy to do a few sums GG?

OK. just to spare your poor brain, I'll have a quick look.

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:So the 2011 winners were Starters 28.13, Bench 27.94, Squad 28.39.

And we still have to add 1.65 to today's age to find a RWC final age.

Seems like a lot of changes to be made in Ireland. No matter, In about 12 months, the IRFU will give Schmidt a post-RWC extended contract if past precedent becomes the norm.

I'd say that the average optimum age of the backs and back-rowers would be about 26-7 and the front five about 29-30.

So I assume you are concerned that next years world cup has come too soon for England?

Do you mean a pre world cup extended contract?

Actually there are very few changes to be made to Ireland. BOD being the only immediate one. POC will be captain and everyone else is relatively young.

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:How about SA '07? I assume they were even older? Monty, Smit, DuRant, and Matfield etc. all quite old. England the other finalists had some dinosaurs like Catt at 36.

Are you just too lazy to do a few sums GG?

OK. just to spare your poor brain, I'll have a quick look.

Why would I do it if I can get you to do it for me? Thanks Portnoy. Yes I am lazy.

GunsGerms wrote:

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:How about SA '07? I assume they were even older? Monty, Smit, DuRant, and Matfield etc. all quite old. England the other finalists had some dinosaurs like Catt at 36.

Are you just too lazy to do a few sums GG?

OK. just to spare your poor brain, I'll have a quick look.

Why would I do it if I can get you to do it for me? Thanks Portnoy. Yes I am lazy.

Same basis as the NZ job.

Code:

      DoB   Age (decimal yrs)   
15   Percival Colin Montgomery   15/03/1974   39.98   
14   Jon-Paul Roger Pietersen   12/07/1986   27.65   
13   Jaque Fourie   04/03/1983   31.01   
12   Francois Philippus Lodewyk Steyn   14/05/1987   26.81   
11   Bryan Gary Habana   12/06/1983   30.74   
10   Andrew David James   08/01/1979   35.16   Ave Backs
9   Petrus Fourie du Preez   24/03/1982   31.95   31.90
1   Daniel Jacobus Rossouw   05/06/1978   35.75   
2   Juanne Hugo Smith   30/07/1981   32.60   
3   Schalk Burger   13/04/1983   30.90   
4   Victor Matfield   11/05/1977   36.82   
5   John Philip Botha   22/09/1979   34.46   
6   Christoffel Johannes van der Linde   27/08/1980   33.52   
7   John William Smit   03/04/1978   35.93   Ave Forwards
8   Jacobus Petrus du Randt   08/09/1972   41.49   35.18
   Average Starters' age   33.65      
16   Bismarck Wilhelm du Plessis   22/05/1984   29.79   
17   Jan Nathaniël du Plessis   16/11/1982   31.30   
18   Gysbert Johannes Muller   01/06/1980   33.76   
19   Wikus van Heerden   25/02/1979   35.03   Ave Repl. Forwards
20   Ruan Pienaar   10/03/1984   29.99   31.98
21   André Stefan Pretorius   29/12/1978   35.19   
22   Wynand Olivier   11/06/1983   30.74   Ave Repl. Backs
   Average Bench age   32.26      
   Average Squad age   33.21      


Subtract 6.38.

Average Starters 27.27, Bench 25.84, Squad 26.38.

Sounds like they could still do a job.

How about England in '03?

GunsGerms wrote:

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:So the 2011 winners were Starters 28.13, Bench 27.94, Squad 28.39.

And we still have to add 1.65 to today's age to find a RWC final age.

Seems like a lot of changes to be made in Ireland. No matter, In about 12 months, the IRFU will give Schmidt a post-RWC extended contract if past precedent becomes the norm.

I'd say that the average optimum age of the backs and back-rowers would be about 26-7 and the front five about 29-30.

So I assume you are concerned that next years world cup has come too soon for England?

Do you mean a pre world cup extended contract?

Actually there are very few changes to be made to Ireland. BOD being the only immediate one. POC will be captain and everyone else is relatively young.

I wouldn't exactly say young.....

Heaslip (30), D'Arcy (34), Bowe (30), Best (31), Ross (34)

GunsGerms wrote:How about England in '03?

Feck off. You do it.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:So the 2011 winners were Starters 28.13, Bench 27.94, Squad 28.39.

And we still have to add 1.65 to today's age to find a RWC final age.

Seems like a lot of changes to be made in Ireland. No matter, In about 12 months, the IRFU will give Schmidt a post-RWC extended contract if past precedent becomes the norm.

I'd say that the average optimum age of the backs and back-rowers would be about 26-7 and the front five about 29-30.

So I assume you are concerned that next years world cup has come too soon for England?

Do you mean a pre world cup extended contract?

Actually there are very few changes to be made to Ireland. BOD being the only immediate one. POC will be captain and everyone else is relatively young.

I wouldn't exactly say young.....

Heaslip (30), D'Arcy (34), Bowe (30), Best (31), Ross (34)

Darcy probably will be rotated or miss out for Marshall and Ross will be replaced by Moore by then.

Every world cup winning squad has players over 30. Ireland has a good mix. No age issues at all.

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:How about England in '03?

Feck off. You do it.

Ah come on Portnoy, you are really good at it. Its England too. Are you not interested?

You sound at ease Guns, if that was England I'd be seriously worried.

There's a stack of over 30's, you must be at least concerned with midfield?

Sgt_Pooly wrote:You sound at ease Guns, if that was England I'd be seriously worried.

There's a stack of over 30's, you must be at least concerned with midfield?

if I was English Id be worried you havent enough experienced players and standout leaders.

Your average squad age will be below the average age of WC winning squads historically.

Nothing to be worried re Ireland. The team is full of leaders, on course for a championship win and there are lots of good young players coming through. There has never in the history of Irish rugby been such a strong pool of talent.

GunsGerms wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:You sound at ease Guns, if that was England I'd be seriously worried.

There's a stack of over 30's, you must be at least concerned with midfield?

if I was English Id be worried you havent enough experienced players and standout leaders.

I am worried about that.

I like what SL is doing though, this side is beating more experienced teams and will only get better with more time together.

I'm not having a pop, my dad is Irish and he thinks there's too many "old buggers" in the Irish team.

Irish rugby is actually moving into a golden age:

http://www.thescore.ie/simon-hick-column-ireland-era-1345957-Mar2014/

The old buggers are playing well.

BOD, POC and Darce have all out played all their opposition in every game so far in this 6N. if they are good enough age doesnt matter.

GunsGerms wrote:Irish rugby is actually moving into a golden age:

http://www.thescore.ie/simon-hick-column-ireland-era-1345957-Mar2014/

The old buggers are playing well.

BOD, POC and Darce have all out played all their opposition in every game so far in this 6N. if they are good enough age doesnt matter.

Did you miss the England game Guns?

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Irish rugby is actually moving into a golden age:

http://www.thescore.ie/simon-hick-column-ireland-era-1345957-Mar2014/

The old buggers are playing well.

BOD, POC and Darce have all out played all their opposition in every game so far in this 6N. if they are good enough age doesnt matter.

Did you miss the England game Guns?

You think 12trees and Burrell out played BOD and Darce? Those three were three of our best players in that game. Did you miss it?

I know BOD is good but to count as two players? Maybe one a half, or one and three quarters at a push.

HammerofThunor wrote:I know BOD is good but to count as two players? Maybe one a half, or one and three quarters at a push.

I was including POC. Refer to the previous post.

GunsGerms wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Irish rugby is actually moving into a golden age:

http://www.thescore.ie/simon-hick-column-ireland-era-1345957-Mar2014/

The old buggers are playing well.

BOD, POC and Darce have all out played all their opposition in every game so far in this 6N. if they are good enough age doesnt matter.

Did you miss the England game Guns?

You think 12trees and Burrell out played BOD and Darce? Those three were three of our best players in that game. Did you miss it?

I thought Burrell outplayed BOD who was poor imo. Darcy showed up well, possibly shades 36.

Lawes played a lot better than POC.

BOD made the second most yards out of any Irish player by either crashing through Burrell or beating him on the outside. Burrell was very quiet by contrast. Is it any coincidence he was one of England's quietest backs? He had scored in his previous two games yet didnt come close to a score v Ireland because BOD kept him in his pocket all day.

Watch this clip. It shows BOD beating Burrell on a number of occasions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddOhXr64wUs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

OP modified for Wales change (Ball for Chateris + Coombs to bench).

What's wrong with BOD is that a moving-on, disinterested, we-got-new-Gods-of-our-own world doesn't simply care anymore. Ignore him and he'll go away is the mantra.

But he's still there for two more games (hopefully) .... and as Guns footage shows, the fans might want to ignore him but the footage won't.

Burrell made 39m, BOD 50m.

I don't think that stat explains who played better as stats often don't.

Either way, Lawes played much better than POC.