Khan vs Collazo (chief support on Mayweather Card)

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Matthysse has to be on this card as well, you would think so given that its going to have a big Argie crowd.

Would be sensible.

Who against though?

A tune-up/come-back style fight or something big like a Garcia rematch (I'd love to see)??

What ever happened to Mike Jones??

Thurman vs Matthysse??? (uhhhhhhhh mammmmmy *druels*")

Only problem is a fight like that would definitely usurp Khan-Collazo as 'chief support'.

One can only dream Toppy, one can only dream. Would be a crackin fight. Would fancy Thurman. Who would you take?

I think Collazo is a little over rated, yes he knocked out ortiz, but I think had ortiz had a bigger heart he would have gotten up and im sure others would have gotten up from that. Him beating Ortiz is no big deal. When it comes to power who else of note has Collazo knocked out? add that to him losing to the best fighters he has faught, I beleive this is a gimme fight for khan someone like guerrero or brook would have been a better option. Collazo is there to be outboxed by khan.

Khan's problem Is he feels the need to entertain..

Which is good for us but bad for him..

He outclassed Petersen until he started messing about..

Must be frustrating to Coach Khan..

Not so sure on that Makaveli.

Collazo has only really been beaten by fighters who were on hot steaks or at the top of their game (Berto, Mosley etc). He nearly beat Hatton when Ricky was on his roll.

But with Khan we have a fighter who is 2-2, struggled with an aging Diaz in what will have been over a year to when he and Collazo meet. Khan is not on hot form nor is he on a hot streak. The Ortiz win could be a major confidence boost for Collazo whereas Khan also has to get motivated after the whole saga Floyd trailed him through.

Its a dangerous fight and one that has plenty of factors to acknowledge.

If the Khan from about 3 years ago turns up then great, he will walk it. But if he doesn't and gets caught with the shot that Ortiz got caught with then its gonna be a tough job coming back from that.

I called that Collazo had a big shot against Ortiz when many went the other way and that was down to the factors of Collazo fighting in Brooklyn and Ortiz looking poor also in his previous bouts.

Well this fight is a last chance saloon for Collazo, hes coming off the back of a big win (which was recent). Khan hasn't looked great in his last bout which was a year ago and also could maybe have been over training for the Mayweather gig he thought he was getting.

Im siding with Khan though by close points (controversial maybe) due to Mayweather needing Khan to win in order to sell him as a next opponent, but wouldn't be surprised if he switched off and got stopped.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:One can only dream Toppy, one can only dream. Would be a crackin fight. Would fancy Thurman. Who would you take?

Would still back Lucas.

Think he was unlucky versus Garcia and would like to see that rematch more than anything, can't believe there hasn't been more chatter on here re Garcia's recent bubble-bursting against Herrera and think that may work in Lucas' favour if they ever do rematch.

Haven't seen enough of Thurman to be convinced, yet.

Boxnation have confirmed they're showing this card exclusively in the UK.

Am guessing they'll offer PPV as they did the other weekend, with it free to current subscribers.

Khan is damaged goods. He has taken a few beatings and I doubt his ability to take a sold punch more than ever. But what really worries me is that his reflexes seem to have been blunted and he struggles to avoid haymakers.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:One can only dream Toppy, one can only dream. Would be a crackin fight. Would fancy Thurman. Who would you take?

Would still back Lucas.

Think he was unlucky versus Garcia and would like to see that rematch more than anything, can't believe there hasn't been more chatter on here re Garcia's recent bubble-bursting against Herrera and think that may work in Lucas' favour if they ever do rematch.

Haven't seen enough of Thurman to be convinced, yet.

I think that is a little hard on Danny, who boxed really well.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Khan's problem Is he feels the need to entertain..

Which is good for us but bad for him..

He outclassed Petersen until he started messing about..

Must be frustrating to Coach Khan..

This is rubbish

Khan does not feel the need to entertain, rather, he can't help but entertain because of his sloppy skill set which tend to get him into trouble and thus is entertaining for the fans.

SugarRayBray wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:One can only dream Toppy, one can only dream. Would be a crackin fight. Would fancy Thurman. Who would you take?

Would still back Lucas.

Think he was unlucky versus Garcia and would like to see that rematch more than anything, can't believe there hasn't been more chatter on here re Garcia's recent bubble-bursting against Herrera and think that may work in Lucas' favour if they ever do rematch.

Haven't seen enough of Thurman to be convinced, yet.

I think that is a little hard on Danny, who boxed really well.

Yeh, I'm not saying Garcia was 'lucky' to win (though he was at the weekend) I'm saying Lucas was unlucky in losing. I had it much closer (poss even LM ahead) until that eye and it totally changed the fight - LM fighting half blind didn't have a chance. DG has timing, a chin and a punch - nothing to really excite me and nothing flash. He did well in that fight but the reason I'd like to have seen a rematch is a think the result turned massively on the eye.

Lucas isn't the only fighter to suffer from swelling and what makes it worse is he lost control of the fight due to it.

If he was the force that many were claiming him to be and Danny was a average as also claimed, then surely he still should have been able to carry on.

Kind of reminded me of Juan Diaz when he got cut.

Can't say he just should've been able to carry on, be like fighting with one arm (please don't use Audley as an example). Arguably worse, he had no ability to judge range or see incoming shots, he basically became a punch-bag.

What about Audley!!??

Or Gatti (2) when he broke his hand, what about Haye's toe!!!!!!!!

As in someone who effectively successfully fought with one arm......

Gatti vs Ward 2?

Gatti breaking his hand and going on to win on points?

Haha better example, but I think Lucas' injury was more significant. You can still use a broken hand to a limited extent (help control range for example) but if you lose depth perception and cannot see shots coming then you've almost totally lost control.

Guess we will see how prone he is to swelling going forward. If they ever rematch then Danny could maybe target the eye again. At least he knows if it swells up then Lucas is snookered.

That's the only fight where his face has swollen tbf

I've heard it said on here and seen it on the telly that the auditoriums for these Vegas fights are empty until the main fight, when Stallone, Rourke et al all take their seats to watch the main event. Is it therefore likely that no one will really see this fight live, the atmosphere will be terrible, but it will be televised. Result is Khan may not get all the exposure he wants playing second fiddle to Mayweather.

If Khan boxes and listens to Virgil and tries to stick to a gameplan he should win. Problem is once Collazo lands he will be hurt and try to go al macho, probably end up knocked out.

If he listens to the Virgil that was in Angulo's corner against Alvarez he will end up kicking Collazo.

Khans a great athlete his problem is common for even casual fans can notice. His boxing I q is not great. He doesn't adjust well in the ring and he trades too often.

He needs to use his jab and superior speed. He also needs to keep that chin down and maybe he should take a leaf out of wladimars book. Khan is always exciting but if he boxed better and stopped worrying about trying to prove he hasn't a glass jaw he would have less Ls in the column.

I don't buy the 'Khan wants to entertain' or the 'Khan likes to fight fire with fire' angle. For me,  he's world class in many respects, but it's his lack of defensive abilities that make him get in to silly situations - rather than through his own choice. He fights back recklessly when hurt not because he wants to hurt the other guy, but because he doesn't know what else to do. He's probably one of the least ring-savvy upper level boxers I've ever seen. He hasn't learned to clinch properly (he pushes down on the head instead), which means a) he can never buy time, b) he eats shots on the inside, c) he has to use his feet to get out of bad spots (which has the dual issue of making him susceptible to eating long looping shots e.g. from Maidana - because when he panics he sometimes retreats in straight lines).

All of this contributes to a general feeling of low confidence in his own defensive abilities, which become evident when he goes into panic mode. People put it down to bravado, but I see it all as a byproduct of basic defensive flaws. He gets away with it because he's offensively gifted, blindingly quick, and actually more tough/determined than he gets credit for. It makes him a very exciting fighter to watch. You never know what'll happen.

Khan drops his right when he throws his jab. Its so glaringly obvious its unreal! You weather the initial rounds when Khan's speed is at its maximum and then look to land the counter left hook when he jabs a la Garcia.

Its boxing 101 yet Khan has been doing it for ages and its from that point that all the other hassle starts as he fails to adjust from being rocked.

The winner of Collazo-Khan is likely going to have to fight the winner of Thurman-Julio Diaz.

Thurman's 'interim' WBA title is likely to be made the 'regular' title.

So a possible Mayweather fight is likely to be in May 2015 for whoever gets the hands on the 'regular' WBA title

How many fights does Floyd have left on his big contract? 3? Or is Maidana the 3rd??

TopHat24/7 wrote:How many fights does Floyd have left on his big contract? 3? Or is Maidana the 3rd??

Maidana is the third.

So 3 left could be any of Danny Garcia? Keith Thurman? Amir Khan? Erislandy Lara? Saul Alvarez rematch?

I'm only stating GBP fighters

Floyd is 37...........Anytime now he could go to the well and find it dry..

Won't hurt Khan to wait a little longer or for any of the others too for that matter...

Success is all about timing......

A rare thing for fighters to be dominant at lower weight nearing 40 !!!

and it's a rare thing for a reason..

Gerry SA wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:How many fights does Floyd have left on his big contract? 3? Or is Maidana the 3rd??

Maidana is the third.

So 3 left could be any of Danny Garcia? Keith Thurman? Amir Khan? Erislandy Lara? Saul Alvarez rematch?

I'm only stating GBP fighters

Reckon we'll be lucky to see 1 of those happen (most likely Khan).

So difficult to attempt to name who he may face in his last 3 and much of it will depend on each PPV showing, plenty within the fight game suggest his hand was forced when it came to Alvarez due to the relatively disappointing Guerrero numbers..also depends on outcomes of other fights..

Khan is likely next, assuming he overcomes Collazo on the undercard...following that it gets night on impossible..if Khan loses then I expect Mayweather to fight the winner of Porter/Malignaggi in September instead; would be an American name & would be a Unification bout.

I don't see him taking on Bradley, Pacman, Thurman, Lara, Martinez or GGG..

If Cotto shocks Martinez then I expect Floyd to chase him for early next year..outside of that it's anyones guess.

Sept - Khan/Malignaggi/Porter

May 15 - Cotto/Garcia

Sept 15 - Pacman/Broner (if he puts run together)

Collazo is a pretty good fighter and he can fight hard for 12 rounds as Hatton learned that night in Boston.

Khan could punch the head off him but I don't see Collazo falling over. Down the stretch Khan is going to be fully tested. It's a good fight. Collazo at 7/2 with the bookies looks to be good value. I expect anyone throwing a few bob on Collazo will get a good sweat.

That does look good value, might go for that.