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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue May 24, 2011 2:22 am

Just curious as I dont know myself but who has won World title in the least amount of fights. Come across this guy today and he won it in his 7th fight:

Kazuto Ioka
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=483786&cat=boxer

Any better or around this?

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Post by Daz Tue May 24, 2011 2:25 am

Dont think anyone will beat that! I think Holyfield got his shot around his 11th fight which is very early!

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Post by DoubleD22 Tue May 24, 2011 2:28 am

7th fight!

Yep highly doubt anyone has it quicker than that to be honest Solider, good find!

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Post by HumanWindmill Tue May 24, 2011 2:31 am

Saensak Muangsurin did it in three fights.

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Post by shenglong1983 Tue May 24, 2011 2:32 am

Rigondeaux won teh WBA interim belt after 7 fights, and is looking to win the full WBA title in 9?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=492989&cat=boxer

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Post by DoubleD22 Tue May 24, 2011 2:32 am

3 fights!

thats crazy!

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Post by HumanWindmill Tue May 24, 2011 2:34 am

DoubleD22 wrote:3 fights!

thats crazy!

Certainly is, DoubleD.

It wasn't a ' Mickey Mouse ' title, either, but the WBC lightwelter title.

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Post by DoubleD22 Tue May 24, 2011 2:35 am

Good going! do you know if he was champion for long windy?

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Post by Valero's Conscience Tue May 24, 2011 2:37 am

Shumenov won his 10th fight I think and was a rematch which he lost the first in, so had a sho tin his 9th fight!

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Post by Union Cane Tue May 24, 2011 2:38 am

There was one guy who debuted in a world title fight, but he lost.
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Post by HumanWindmill Tue May 24, 2011 2:39 am

DoubleD22 wrote:Good going! do you know if he was champion for long windy?

I had to look it up, DoubleD, but he lost it in his second defence after a year as champ.

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Post by HumanWindmill Tue May 24, 2011 2:40 am

Union Cane wrote:There was one guy who debuted in a world title fight, but he lost.

Pete Rademacher, Union. Challenged Patterson for the heavy title and dropped him before being stopped himself.

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Post by DoubleD22 Tue May 24, 2011 2:42 am

Cheers for that Windy not bad for your 3rd fight.

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Post by Union Cane Tue May 24, 2011 2:43 am

Cheers Windy.

Wasn't there another guy whose manager fabricated his record to get him a title shot?

I vaguely remember it from the Pass the Parcel Quiz thread...
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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue May 24, 2011 2:44 am

Sorry guys. Cant see your reply as am in work and takes about half an hour to update but can see some.

3 fights is very impressive. I think he had 10 world title fights in 20 fight career!

Is he in the boxing hall of fame?

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Post by zx1234 Tue May 24, 2011 2:44 am

pete rademacher

he was the guy who got a shot on his debut vs floyd patterson but tbf that time in between marciano and clay where the scene was quite poor and rademacher won an olympic gold

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Post by 88Chris05 Tue May 24, 2011 2:45 am

HumanWindmill wrote:
Union Cane wrote:There was one guy who debuted in a world title fight, but he lost.

Pete Rademacher, Union. Challenged Patterson for the heavy title and dropped him before being stopped himself.

One or two other less heralded cases of this happening too, Union. Jack Skelly challenged George Dixon for the Featherweight title in his first bout. In 1975, Rafael Lovera lost in an attempt to win Luis Estaba's Light-Flyweight title in his first fight; however, it wasn't discovered that this was his first bout until afterwards, as Lovera's manager had totally made up and impressive-looking record which was enough for the WBC to install him as number one contender in what was, at the time, basically a brand new division.
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Post by HumanWindmill Tue May 24, 2011 2:45 am

You're welcome, fellas.

Union, you've got me on that one. I have the vaguest recollection, ( like you, from the quiz, ) but I haven't the foggiest idea who it was.

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Post by HumanWindmill Tue May 24, 2011 2:45 am

Thanks, Chris.

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Post by Union Cane Tue May 24, 2011 2:47 am

That's the one Chris, cheers.

Good knowledge!
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Post by azania Tue May 24, 2011 3:27 am

Sot Chitalada did it in 3. Davey Moore did it in 7.

The Olympic champ who challenged Patterson (and decked him) fought for the HW title on his debut.

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Post by captain carrantuohil Tue May 24, 2011 3:50 am

Sot Chitalada actually contested his first world title in his fifth fight and narrowly lost to the great Jung Koo Chang. Three fights later, he had moved up a weight and won his first world title against the pretty useful Gabriel Bernal. Not too likely that Muangsurin's record will ever be eclipsed, I wouldn't think.

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Post by captain carrantuohil Tue May 24, 2011 3:52 am

I think Fenech won his first world belt in his seventh fight or so as well. Leon Spinks might have been having about his eighth fight when beating Ali.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Tue May 24, 2011 3:52 am

Veeraphol Sahaprom won a title in only his 4th fight, was originally billed as his 3rd fight but blah blah blah turned out to be his 4th

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Post by swedish chef Tue May 24, 2011 4:02 am

i just checked muagsurins record and noticed a fighter called francisco moreno, he only had 3 fights before challengeing him for the WBC title, and 2 of those were defeats!

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Post by sugarrayb Tue May 24, 2011 7:24 am

Current WBA interim champ Guillermo Rigondeaux picked up the super bantum strap in his 7th contest, which is still a fair effort!

Was against the guy who Bernard Dunne had a classic with Ricardo Cordoba

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue May 24, 2011 8:05 am

sugarrayb wrote:Current WBA interim champ Guillermo Rigondeaux picked up the super bantum strap in his 7th contest, which is still a fair effort!

Was against the guy who Bernard Dunne had a classic with Ricardo Cordoba

Rigondeaux was fast tracked because he was 30 when he turned pro. He had an excellent amateur career as well their would have been no point in holding him back.
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Post by shenglong1983 Tue May 24, 2011 6:54 pm

Grat point about Rigondeaux lads - if only I had though of him first!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue May 24, 2011 7:08 pm

Sot chitalada.......What a fighter..Out of all the Oriental fighters I probably saw more of his fights than anybody else...wbc fly if I remember...

Santos Laciar too...........

Seemed like a gentleman ...was going to offer him but the experts seemed to have offered him already......

The orientals do seem to get shots early...

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Post by The Galveston Giant Tue May 24, 2011 9:51 pm

Leon Spinks defeated Muhammed Ali in his 8th pro fight for the WBA and WBC belts.
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Post by fearlessBamber Tue May 24, 2011 9:57 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Sot chitalada.......What a fighter..Out of all the Oriental fighters I probably saw more of his fights than anybody else...wbc fly if I remember...

Santos Laciar too...........

Seemed like a gentleman ...was going to offer him but the experts seemed to have offered him already......

The orientals do seem to get shots early...

Good lord grandpa - the term 'Oriental' is not acceptable especially in .. you guessed it the Good Ol' USA. Still you must know that ?

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Post by fearlessBamber Tue May 24, 2011 9:58 pm

It's a bit cheating when you've had loads of kick boxing or Thai boxing fights first.

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Post by HumanWindmill Tue May 24, 2011 10:47 pm

Had this lying around on my hard drive :

3 Saensak Muangsurin ---WBC Lightelter
4 Veeraphol Sahaprom ---WBA Bantam
6 Paul Weir ---WBO Minimum
7 Jeff Fenech ---IBF Bantam
7 Muangchi Kittikasem ---IBF Light Fly
8 Sot Chitilada ---WBC Fly
8 Leon Spinks ---Lineal Heavy
8 Joichiro Tatsuyosh ---WBC Bantamweigh
9 Napa Kiatwanchai ---WBC Minimum
9 Davey Moore WBA Lightmiddle
9 Jung Il Byun WBC Bantam
9 Hiroki Ioka WBC Minimum
9 Paul Weir WBO Light Fly
11 Jim Jeffries Lineal Heavy
11 Chan Hee Park WBC Fly
11 Yokthai Sithoar WBA Superfly
12 Jorge Mata WBO Minimum
12 Hilario Zapata WBC Light Fly
12 Alimi Goitia WBA Superfly
12 Oscar De La Hoya WBO Superfeather

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Post by WelshDevilRob Tue May 24, 2011 11:08 pm

Great list Windy.

When I saw the question I thought Fenech but see there are others who topped that achievement.

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Post by HumanWindmill Tue May 24, 2011 11:09 pm

Surprising how many accomplished the feat isn't it, Rob ?

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Post by The Galveston Giant Tue May 24, 2011 11:10 pm

Paul Weir didn't mess about, forgot all about him.
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Tue May 24, 2011 11:12 pm

A lot of the oriental fighters do get shots off the back of previous achivements in other sports and the fact they generally refuse to face anyone ranked by the IBF or WBO

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Post by 88Chris05 Tue May 24, 2011 11:21 pm

It'd be interesting to see, on the other end of the spectrum, who had the most fights before winning a world title. Off the top of my head (yes, I'm a terrible one for little details) I remember reading that Moore didn't take the Light-Heavyweight title until his 175th fight, but even he can't trump Greb, who won the 160 lb crown in his 234th bout. Incredible.

The only one I can think of who might be there or thereabouts is Britton at Welterweight, as he was already about thirty before he took the title and he participated in something like 340 professional bouts. Given that he fought on until his mid forties, though, I think I'll stick with Greb. Does anyone have the stats for this?
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Tue May 24, 2011 11:25 pm

On that note Chris his arch nemesis Ted Lewis must have racked up a fair number of fights before he beat Britton for the title, may need to boxrec this

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Post by Scottrf Tue May 24, 2011 11:31 pm

Less than 150 for Britton, about 130 I reckon. Lewis had more, but not as many as Moore even it seems.

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Post by ArchBritishchris Tue May 24, 2011 11:46 pm

If a boxer defeats a world champion and claims the title within his first dozen or so fights, thats an impressive achievement. Muangsurin was a two time champion and racked up a number of title defences. Since his early start, Sahaprom, has become an accomplished performer. Caused Nishioka and Tseveenpurev all sorts of problems, defended his world title around 13-14 times as well.

Boxing is very competitive over there in Asia, particularly at Flyweight and Bantamweight. For one thing the divisional power house nations of Japan, Philippines, Thailand and South Korea are based in the region. Generally, at one point you will need to travel to one of the rival nations, no easy task. There are fighters who exhibit a decent standard after a handful of fights. The Cubans also often taken on class almost straight away in their pro careers. Due to their strong amateur backgrounds, they've emerged through many of the early development stages already. An olympic record also frequently helps to boost a fighter to an early world title opportunity.

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