Aviva Premiership salary cap increases look set to be confirmed

by quinsforever Mon 15 Sep 2014, 3:11 pm

2014-15 its GBP5m, incl 240k for academy players. Apparently it looks set to grow beyond GBP5M for the next season, and also allow a second marquee international signing who is outside the salary cap. Combined with the current RFU policy on not selecting overseas players, this looks set to continue the 70%+ england-eligible players in matchday squads.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/29204455

by Jimpy Mon 15 Sep 2014, 3:17 pm

Thats Sarries and Bath at least that will still have to come down to the revised cap.... :-)

by HammerofThunor Mon 15 Sep 2014, 4:28 pm

It is now tied to the central funding. If they get more from Europe than they thought (really thought, not what they said) then it's going to go up. The second marque player is interesting but I wouldn't be surprised if it got blocked.

I do wonder if this is just Wray and Craig saying they're confident rather than it actually going ahead.

by Geordie Mon 15 Sep 2014, 4:34 pm

Cool maybe we can sign a decent LH and FH

by quinsforever Wed 17 Sep 2014, 7:20 pm

It has been confirmed. Pretty good news. I like the 50% increase in academy funding. And i like the 2nd marquee player rule (they have to have not played in the Premiership within the last 12 months - this presumably aids bringing back expensive overseas English players and stops a bidding war for AP talent).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/29244667

by Bathite Thu 18 Sep 2014, 8:45 am

Jimpy wrote:Thats Sarries and Bath at least that will still have to come down to the revised cap.... :-)

Its ok, we've borrowed Tigers accountant and bought a few restaurants as well

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 18 Sep 2014, 8:46 am

Would requiring the second marquee player to be English not make more sense for the national team?

by Bathite Thu 18 Sep 2014, 8:46 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:Cool maybe we can sign a decent LH and FH

Probably fairly likely you've got the cap to do so now?

by Jimpy Thu 18 Sep 2014, 9:11 am

Bathite wrote:
Jimpy wrote:Thats Sarries and Bath at least that will still have to come down to the revised cap.... :-)

Its ok, we've borrowed Tigers accountant and bought a few restaurants as well

Good for you, Bath might now be creative enough with their accounts that a team could be assembled that might actually win something.... Whistle

by quinsforever Thu 18 Sep 2014, 9:39 am

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Would requiring the second marquee player to be English not make more sense for the national team?

personally i think the opposite. to qualify for England players already need to be playing in the AP. so thats already taken care of.

with a second marquee player who comes from outside the AP it gives clubs the chance to really bring someone in who is world class, and i think this will help the 70%+ english players in each clubs squad as they get to learn from and play with the very best.

good luck to you today

by lostinwales Thu 18 Sep 2014, 9:41 am

How many marquee players is going to be too many? I just dont want the number to creep up any more

by Bathman_in_London Thu 18 Sep 2014, 9:48 am

Anyone see Cockers' comments?

Cockerill questions the benefit of signing high-profile players on short-term deals. “That is not Leicester’s way of doing business,” he said. “It upsets the balance for us. We want guys to be here for the long haul. We want them to be here for three or four years, to become part of the city, part of the culture, with their families.
“A lot of guys come here and form an emotional attachment to the club and that is what we like to see happen. It is not everyone’s way. Some want to go out and spend £7, 8, 900,000 on a Genia or a Richie McCaw or an Israel Folau. It won’t be long before we see the first million-pound a season player. But you have got to be careful. We have got a lot of what you might call marquee players here anyway. Do you want to run the risk of upsetting that balance?”

Presumably Brad Thorn or Tuqiri don't count as big name short term players...!

Personally I like the increase in academy funding, but the second marquee player sounds like a dangerous path. Will it be 3 marquee players next?!

by SecretFly Thu 18 Sep 2014, 9:51 am

So long,
Farewell,
I bid you all adieu
Adieu,
Adieu,
to you and you and you
Goodbye,
Goodbye
GOODBYE!

Farewell responsible capping system designed to protect the lower AP teams! Whistle

It's only the beginning. A long way to go to parity with the pesky French... but that'll be the ultimate unrestrained buying capacity goal for the top sides. Congratulations on the change of heart. Wink

by Jimpy Thu 18 Sep 2014, 10:15 am

How is 'marquee' defined anyway?

by broadlandboy Thu 18 Sep 2014, 10:21 am

We are only trying to keep up with the Irish teams.

by SecretFly Thu 18 Sep 2014, 10:51 am

TOP SECRET:

McCafferty Plan A 2.4 Subsection C: Status Level: Commence and sustain

The second stage of the master plan is so smooth I can almost pretend I never saw the feet peddling like f**k beneath the water's surface months ago Wink

by LordDowlais Thu 18 Sep 2014, 11:09 am

Well, that mean's even more vultures circling around Welsh rugby, how dare we produce our own players. steam

All it seems we are doing in Wales now is producing tallent for the richer clubs in England and France.

by **LondonTiger** Thu 18 Sep 2014, 11:15 am

LordDowlais wrote:Well, that mean's even more vultures circling around Welsh rugby, how dare we produce our own players.

All it seems we are doing in Wales now is producing tallent for the richer clubs in England and France.

Nothing for Wales to worry about. this is for marquee players only.

by The Saint Thu 18 Sep 2014, 11:16 am

LD, the best ones in Wales will soon be tied in with the dual contracts. Hopefully the exiles return at the end of their overseas deals too, starting with Halfpenny Smile

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by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 18 Sep 2014, 11:21 am

LondonTiger wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Well, that mean's even more vultures circling around Welsh rugby, how dare we produce our own players.

All it seems we are doing in Wales now is producing tallent for the richer clubs in England and France.

Nothing for Wales to worry about. this is for marquee players only.

by SecretFly Thu 18 Sep 2014, 11:25 am

LondonTiger wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Well, that mean's even more vultures circling around Welsh rugby, how dare we produce our own players.

All it seems we are doing in Wales now is producing tallent for the richer clubs in England and France.

Nothing for Wales to worry about. this is for marquee players only.

In isolation - as a thing of purity and without any hint of the Welshness being the thing I'm alluding to at all - but nice Wink

You got to applaud the brevity of that hit back.

by Bathite Thu 18 Sep 2014, 11:30 am

Jimpy wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Jimpy wrote:Thats Sarries and Bath at least that will still have to come down to the revised cap.... :-)

Its ok, we've borrowed Tigers accountant and bought a few restaurants as well

Good for you, Bath might now be creative enough with their accounts that a team could be assembled that might actually win something.... :whistle:

Rome wasn't built in a day. You never know, your mighty Tigers might actually beat us this year. 0 from 3 last year. What was it Tigers won last year again?

by LordDowlais Thu 18 Sep 2014, 11:43 am

LondonTiger wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Well, that mean's even more vultures circling around Welsh rugby, how dare we produce our own players.

All it seems we are doing in Wales now is producing tallent for the richer clubs in England and France.

Nothing for Wales to worry about. this is for marquee players only.

I remember this when we shaft you at the MS next year. boxing

by Jimpy Thu 18 Sep 2014, 11:50 am

Bathite wrote:
Jimpy wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Jimpy wrote:Thats Sarries and Bath at least that will still have to come down to the revised cap.... :-)

Its ok, we've borrowed Tigers accountant and bought a few restaurants as well

Good for you, Bath might now be creative enough with their accounts that a team could be assembled that might actually win something....

Rome wasn't built in a day. You never know, your mighty Tigers might actually beat us this year. 0 from 3 last year. What was it Tigers won last year again?

Not much more than Barf really - but there was the AP, just the season before last... didn't have to dig too far for that one did I. What did Barf win that year, or the year before, or the year before...

by Welly Thu 18 Sep 2014, 11:57 am

Bathite wrote:
Rome wasn't built in a day. You never know, your mighty Tigers might actually beat us this year. 0 from 3 last year. What was it Tigers won last year again?

What was the last time Bath have ever won anything, 1 trophy in 16 years isn't it.

Wink

by Bathman_in_London Thu 18 Sep 2014, 12:02 pm

Jimpy wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Jimpy wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Jimpy wrote:Thats Sarries and Bath at least that will still have to come down to the revised cap.... :-)

Its ok, we've borrowed Tigers accountant and bought a few restaurants as well

Good for you, Bath might now be creative enough with their accounts that a team could be assembled that might actually win something....

Rome wasn't built in a day. You never know, your mighty Tigers might actually beat us this year. 0 from 3 last year. What was it Tigers won last year again?

Not much more than Barf really - but there was the AP, just the season before last... didn't have to dig too far for that one did I. What did Barf win that year, or the year before, or the year before...

'Nicest Tea shoppe within 5 minutes of the ground', 'most unhelpful local council' and 'player most likely to be hit late by a Samoan' (Nick Abendanon won that a few times).

by lostinwales Thu 18 Sep 2014, 12:04 pm

Bathman_in_London wrote:
Jimpy wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Jimpy wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Jimpy wrote:Thats Sarries and Bath at least that will still have to come down to the revised cap.... :-)

Its ok, we've borrowed Tigers accountant and bought a few restaurants as well

Good for you, Bath might now be creative enough with their accounts that a team could be assembled that might actually win something....

Rome wasn't built in a day. You never know, your mighty Tigers might actually beat us this year. 0 from 3 last year. What was it Tigers won last year again?

Not much more than Barf really - but there was the AP, just the season before last... didn't have to dig too far for that one did I. What did Barf win that year, or the year before, or the year before...

'Nicest Tea shoppe within 5 minutes of the ground', 'most unhelpful local council' and 'player most likely to be hit late by a Samoan' (Nick Abendanon won that a few times).

You forgot 'best example of internal discipline' ref. Fearns and that Welsh guy..

by Bathite Thu 18 Sep 2014, 12:17 pm

Welly wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Rome wasn't built in a day. You never know, your mighty Tigers might actually beat us this year. 0 from 3 last year. What was it Tigers won last year again?

What was the last time Bath have ever won anything, 1 trophy in 16 years isn't it.

;) :D

6 years since the huge win of the Challenge Cup. How could you forget that beast of a tournament?

Best of luck on Saturday. Without international players away you might get a win, but if you don't i'm sure you can blame injuries instead. Be good to get a win against your old enemy, I know we are only a mid table side these days, but a recent title winning Tigers side would hope for a win at the 4th time of asking :D

by Welly Thu 18 Sep 2014, 12:30 pm

Bathite wrote:
Welly wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Rome wasn't built in a day. You never know, your mighty Tigers might actually beat us this year. 0 from 3 last year. What was it Tigers won last year again?

What was the last time Bath have ever won anything, 1 trophy in 16 years isn't it.

6 years since the huge win of the Challenge Cup. How could you forget that beast of a tournament?

Best of luck on Saturday. Without international players away you might get a win, but if you don't i'm sure you can blame injuries instead. Be good to get a win against your old enemy, I know we are only a mid table side these days, but a recent title winning Tigers side would hope for a win at the 4th time of asking

AYERZA is away on internationals!!!! and matera who is also injured now.

Also the Challenge cup was the 1 trophy in 16 years. Or did I miss one?

Should be a interesting game, but I can see Tigers missing out on the LBP if we are not to careful and the scrum goes against us. But then Thorn and Rizzo should be able to play in a couple of weeks which will be a boost.

by Bathite Thu 18 Sep 2014, 12:33 pm

Agulla and Louw also away and now injured, so we'll call it evens.

Missing out on a LBP? You really don't think you'll get a win? Can't believe for a second there will be more than 5 points in it and I don't know which way

by Jimpy Thu 18 Sep 2014, 12:35 pm

Welly wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Welly wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Rome wasn't built in a day. You never know, your mighty Tigers might actually beat us this year. 0 from 3 last year. What was it Tigers won last year again?

What was the last time Bath have ever won anything, 1 trophy in 16 years isn't it.

6 years since the huge win of the Challenge Cup. How could you forget that beast of a tournament?

Best of luck on Saturday. Without international players away you might get a win, but if you don't i'm sure you can blame injuries instead. Be good to get a win against your old enemy, I know we are only a mid table side these days, but a recent title winning Tigers side would hope for a win at the 4th time of asking

AYERZA is away on internationals!!!! and matera who is also injured now.

Also the Challenge cup was the 1 trophy in 16 years. Or did I miss one?

Should be a interesting game, but I can see Tigers missing out on the LBP if we are not to careful and the scrum goes against us. But then Thorn and Rizzo should be able to play in a couple of weeks which will be a boost.

What’s the difference between Bath last week and Bath this week that makes a side that shipped four tries at home to, at best, relegation dog fighters last week favourites against Tigers? Especially when Tigers have just turned over the side that nilled the relegation strugglers and racked up a similar score to Bath. It’s not often I’m this optimistic about Bath away but this season I’m now looking for a five pointer.

by Bathite Thu 18 Sep 2014, 12:41 pm

I agree totally. Really surprised that a Tigers fan thought we'd be favourites, despite our recent record against Tigers being so good.

We were really terrible at the weekend.

by Welly Thu 18 Sep 2014, 1:15 pm

The scrum is a weakness ATM and its a strenght for bath,

Bath look over confident against welsh IMO and were only interested in scoring tries, it will be another story v leicester.

Bath our favourites.

by Welly Fri 19 Sep 2014, 3:45 pm

Some interesting comments by cockers:

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Richard-Cockerill-column-right-balance-new-salary/story-22949867-detail/story.html

by **LondonTiger** Fri 19 Sep 2014, 4:48 pm

Bathman_in_London wrote:Anyone see Cockers' comments?

Cockerill questions the benefit of signing high-profile players on short-term deals. “That is not Leicester’s way of doing business,” he said. “It upsets the balance for us. We want guys to be here for the long haul. We want them to be here for three or four years, to become part of the city, part of the culture, with their families.
“A lot of guys come here and form an emotional attachment to the club and that is what we like to see happen. It is not everyone’s way. Some want to go out and spend £7, 8, 900,000 on a Genia or a Richie McCaw or an Israel Folau. It won’t be long before we see the first million-pound a season player. But you have got to be careful. We have got a lot of what you might call marquee players here anyway. Do you want to run the risk of upsetting that balance?”

Presumably Brad Thorn or Tuqiri don't count as big name short term players...!

Personally I like the increase in academy funding, but the second marquee player sounds like a dangerous path. Will it be 3 marquee players next?!

agreed, in the context of those two players his comments come across as a little odd. However it should be pointed out that both were injury/sudden departure jokers who for differing reasons cost less than the player they were replacing.

What he is saying is Tigers are unlikely to bring in a big money player who is available just for one season. Our one dalliance with a genuine "Marquee" style player was Josh Kronfeld. In a playing sense he was a disaster.

by yappysnap Fri 19 Sep 2014, 7:38 pm

How many AP clubs have done that though? I know a fair few big names have come over and crashed and burned for their clubs, but all of those were probably still on 3 year contracts. Can't think of any 1 year superstars that have swanned over and then pee'd off.

by Bathite Sat 20 Sep 2014, 8:27 am

paid LondonTiger wrote:
Bathman_in_London wrote:Anyone see Cockers' comments?

Cockerill questions the benefit of signing high-profile players on short-term deals. “That is not Leicester’s way of doing business,” he said. “It upsets the balance for us. We want guys to be here for the long haul. We want them to be here for three or four years, to become part of the city, part of the culture, with their families.
“A lot of guys come here and form an emotional attachment to the club and that is what we like to see happen. It is not everyone’s way. Some want to go out and spend £7, 8, 900,000 on a Genia or a Richie McCaw or an Israel Folau. It won’t be long before we see the first million-pound a season player. But you have got to be careful. We have got a lot of what you might call marquee players here anyway. Do you want to run the risk of upsetting that balance?”

Presumably Brad Thorn or Tuqiri don't count as big name short term players...!

Personally I like the increase in academy funding, but the second marquee player sounds like a dangerous path. Will it be 3 marquee players next?!

agreed, in the context of those two players his comments come across as a little odd. However it should be pointed out that both were injury/sudden departure jokers who for differing reasons cost less than the player they were replacing.

What he is saying is Tigers are unlikely to bring in a big money player who is available just for one season. Our one dalliance with a genuine "Marquee" style player was Josh Kronfeld. In a playing sense he was a disaster.

What about Aaron Mauger? He cost a fortune and was meant be best paid player in the league

by Bathite Sun 21 Sep 2014, 9:56 am

Jimpy wrote:
Welly wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Welly wrote:
Bathite wrote:
Rome wasn't built in a day. You never know, your mighty Tigers might actually beat us this year. 0 from 3 last year. What was it Tigers won last year again?

What was the last time Bath have ever won anything, 1 trophy in 16 years isn't it.

;) :D

6 years since the huge win of the Challenge Cup. How could you forget that beast of a tournament?

Best of luck on Saturday. Without international players away you might get a win, but if you don't i'm sure you can blame injuries instead. Be good to get a win against your old enemy, I know we are only a mid table side these days, but a recent title winning Tigers side would hope for a win at the 4th time of asking :D

AYERZA is away on internationals!!!! and matera who is also injured now.

Also the Challenge cup was the 1 trophy in 16 years. Or did I miss one?

Should be a interesting game, but I can see Tigers missing out on the LBP if we are not to careful and the scrum goes against us. But then Thorn and Rizzo should be able to play in a couple of weeks which will be a boost.

What’s the difference between Bath last week and Bath this week that makes a side that shipped four tries at home to, at best, relegation dog fighters last week favourites against Tigers? Especially when Tigers have just turned over the side that nilled the relegation strugglers and racked up a similar score to Bath. It’s not often I’m this optimistic about Bath away but this season I’m now looking for a five pointer.

:whistle:

by Welly Sun 21 Sep 2014, 11:55 am

I was right then.

by **LondonTiger** Mon 22 Sep 2014, 12:46 pm

Welly wrote:I was right then.

While some way off, your Bath by 28 prediction was the closest we saw Very Happy

by Irish Londoner Mon 22 Sep 2014, 2:29 pm

Is this going to lead to "transfer fees" a la football?

If the RFU allow the bigger clubs to get bigger but still stipulate that clubs must have a set number of EQ players to qualify for funding, then clubs like Exeter, Falcons and LI might start asking what's the point of an academy system if we spend money developing players who then move on to the top 6 clubs for larger wages when we've invested our time and money in their development?

by HammerofThunor Mon 22 Sep 2014, 4:42 pm

'Transfer fees' are around now and have been for a while. They're payments to allow a contract to be breached, which is why they have 5 year contracts in football, which get renewed long before they end. In rugby they tend to be shorter contracts, 2 years, and clubs (or at least fans of clubs) then bitch and moan about not being paid if a player leaves (as though they have some ownership of the player). You want paying? Give them the securing of a longer contract.

I don't like the extra marque player, but the basic cap was always going to raise as more money is being generated centrally.

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