Kell Brook vs Andre Berto?

by hazharrison Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:40 pm

Few rumblings last night that Brook's first defence could be against Andre Berto.

Thoughts?

by ONETWOFOREVER Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:44 pm

BREAKING......SPECULATION!

Cheers should be a good debate.

by milkyboy Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:57 pm

it's a name to look good on his cv. I guess given the stabbing, if you want what should be a fairly straight forward return to the ring against a ring rusty guy who's career is on the slide and shouldn't offer too much threat, its probably decent matchmaking. Doesn't really get the juices flowing though.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:01 pm

Hearn does manage Quigg...........

So we shouldn't expect too much.........But everyone is entitled to a freebie....

Honeyghan = Hatcher, Bumphus, Vaca, Chung....

So Eddie does have a long standing tradition to uphold..

by wheelchair1991 Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:24 pm

I thought Edfie wanted to get Brook's mandatory defence out the way first? Which would have been Jo Jo Dan

by hazharrison Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:28 pm

wheelchair1991 wrote:I thought Edfie wanted to get Brook's mandatory defence out the way first? Which would have been Jo Jo Dan

Heard he has a voluntary. Rumour was it was Decarie, but Berto seems to have entered the sweepstakes.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:42 pm

"Former world Champion who's beaten top guys like Collazo and Urango and has fought against Guerrero and Ortiz "

Now get your £20 out...........

We won't mention he's lost three of his last five fights and I can guarantee Watt and his Hearn-hugging-Mate won't either !! thumbsup

by wheelchair1991 Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:44 pm

If this is on box office i again wont be buying just like bellew v clev

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:45 pm

wheelchair1991 wrote:If this is on box office i again wont be buying just like bellew v clev

Betcha .....It will !! Wink

by **owen10ozzy** Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:53 pm

Isn't this on the March card which I don't believe will be PPV now that Froch v Chavez is off.

Anyone who slates this fight needs there head testing....this is boxer who had his leg hacked to bits not 4 months ago..And on.his last fight went across the pond to the champions back yard and too his title off him. A champion who may I add very few fancied stepping in with. Seems that Brook can't do no right on this forum. Accussed of treading water for years...steps up and wins world title finally proving doubters wrong...now accused of taking an easy fight after what he's been through. Ill tell you now I guarantee after the attack he suffered no fight will be easy on his return let alone a former world title challenger who may have come up short at the very top but showed enough to get there in first place..

He could have taken a far easier fight than this that's for sure!

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:56 pm

owen10ozzy wrote:Isn't this on the March card which I don't believe will be PPV now that Froch v Chavez is off.

Anyone who slates this fight needs there head testing....this is boxer who had his leg hacked to bits not 4 months ago..And on.his last fight went across the pond to the champions back yard and too his title off him. A champion who may I add very few fancied stepping in with. Seems that Brook can't do no right on this forum. Accussed of treading water for years...steps up and wins world title finally proving doubters wrong...now accused of taking an easy fight after what he's been through. Ill tell you now I guarantee after the attack he suffered no fight will be easy on his return let alone a former world title challenger who may have come up short at the very top but showed enough to get there in first place..

He could have taken a far easier fight than this that's for sure!

It is an easy fight..............Guy has lost 3 out of 5.........

But I have no problems with it.............

Not PPV though which I bet it will be...

by milkyboy Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:00 pm

Was i slating him? Good matchmaking and a reasonable fight under the circumstances with a sellable name, but not one to get the juices flowing particularly. Who knows how the stabbing will effect him, but from a psychological perspective he wasn't stabbed in the ring.

I'll write dave's response for him 'no milky, he was stabbed in the leg'.

by **owen10ozzy** Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:02 pm

If you think coming back from a potential career ending injury and stepping into the ring, regardless of who is across it, is an easy fight in itself Truss I'd fancy you have never suffered any major injury.

Let's not pretend that Berto has been beaten by half cooked fighters, they may not be on Mayweathers level but if they were then Mayweather wouldn't be the one in a generation fighter that he is.

It's a decent fight, tough given the circumstances and an opponent who has operated at the highest level. If there are no hangovers from the incident then it's a fight he should come through candidly...but that's a big if.

by TopHat24/7 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:03 pm

milkyboy wrote:it's a name to look good on his cv. I guess given the stabbing, if you want what should be a fairly straight forward return to the ring against a ring rusty guy who's career is on the slide and shouldn't offer too much threat, its probably decent matchmaking. Doesn't really get the juices flowing though.

Pretty good summary.

Berto gonna sign up to rigorous drug testing......?

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:06 pm

owen10ozzy wrote:If you think coming back from a potential career ending injury and stepping into the ring, regardless of who is across it, is an easy fight in itself Truss I'd fancy you have never suffered any major injury.

You're sounding like Haz, Mate.

I imagine he'll be sparring in the gym before he fights him.............

I like Kell !!!...............One of the few on here that does......and sticks up for him..

But It's an easy defence...........Ortiz beat this guy.....and he was stopped by Soto............

Like I say I have no qualms....

by TopHat24/7 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:09 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"Former world Champion who's beaten top guys like Collazo and Urango and has fought against Guerrero and Ortiz "

Now get your £20 out...........

We won't mention he's lost three of his last five fights and I can guarantee Watt and his Hearn-hugging-Mate won't either !!

Yep, when we all know he's actually just another Yank juice-monkey hype job.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:11 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"Former world Champion who's beaten top guys like Collazo and Urango and has fought against Guerrero and Ortiz "

Now get your £20 out...........

We won't mention he's lost three of his last five fights and I can guarantee Watt and his Hearn-hugging-Mate won't either !!

Yep, when we all know he's actually just another Yank juice-monkey hype job.

Calm down...

by hazharrison Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:26 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
owen10ozzy wrote:If you think coming back from a potential career ending injury and stepping into the ring, regardless of who is across it, is an easy fight in itself Truss I'd fancy you have never suffered any major injury.

You're sounding like Haz, Mate.

I imagine he'll be sparring in the gym before he fights him.............

I like Kell !!!...............One of the few on here that does......and sticks up for him..

But It's an easy defence...........Ortiz beat this guy.....and he was stopped by Soto............

Like I say I have no qualms....

That does sound like me. I'm always mitigating the quality of opponents faced by fighters returning from major injury. That is SO me.

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:42 pm

Well it's a "name" that's a start

You'd think that Berto doesn't quite have enough in the tank at this point in his career to beat brook but he still has power and hand speed so brook will have to watch out and not walk onto anything stupid and he should take this

Brook just needs exposure at this point so berto is a good starting point atm

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:46 pm

Not sure what to make of Berto's power, WHU.......

All the top fighters he's faced he's either lost to or gone the distance with !! 29 (22) does look impressive though however !!....

by Coxy001 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:53 pm

To be fair Porter/Berto is dam sight better reading than Collazo/Alexander. Happen to think Berto is a decent choice if he can't get Khan.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:53 pm

Coxy001 wrote:To be fair Porter/Berto is dam sight better reading than Collazo/Alexander. Happen to think Berto is a decent choice if he can't get Khan.

Why do you dislike Khan so much ??

by Krash85 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:56 pm

I think it's a good fight and Berto takes it, Berto struggles with pressure fighters not really boxers, he is also quite fast with resonable power, as a first defence and coming of a serious injury he could've easily fought a bum

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:56 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not sure what to make of Berto's power, WHU.......

All the top fighters he's faced he's either lost to or gone the distance with !! 29 (22) does look impressive though however !!....

Think you can see he has power in his punches, his problem is he doesn't throw enough

Soto has a great beard and he was hurt multiple times by Andre, Guerrero too has a great chin and took some helacious uppercuts and Ortiz was decked hard twice. Definitely a harder puncher than anyone kell has been in with before and will have the fastest hands

by Coxy001 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:57 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:To be fair Porter/Berto is dam sight better reading than Collazo/Alexander. Happen to think Berto is a decent choice if he can't get Khan.

Why do you dislike Khan so much ??

Oh go suck a schlong for heavens sake

Just made the very factually based point that by fighting Berto he's on a good run (if he wins) that will get him more exposure.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:58 pm

Coxy001 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:To be fair Porter/Berto is dam sight better reading than Collazo/Alexander. Happen to think Berto is a decent choice if he can't get Khan.

Why do you dislike Khan so much ??

Oh go suck a schlong for heavens sake

Just made the very factually based point that by fighting Berto he's on a good run (if he wins) that will get him more exposure.

Nothing factual about the way degrade Khan, Mate..

Why do you dislike him so much ??

by Coxy001 Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:02 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:To be fair Porter/Berto is dam sight better reading than Collazo/Alexander. Happen to think Berto is a decent choice if he can't get Khan.

Why do you dislike Khan so much ??

Oh go suck a schlong for heavens sake

Just made the very factually based point that by fighting Berto he's on a good run (if he wins) that will get him more exposure.

Nothing factual about the way degrade Khan, Mate..

Why do you dislike him so much ??

Yes I used facts to "degrade" Khan - you wanna check the meaning of that word first; to cause humiliation

Brook beats Porter then Berto he is on a better WW run than Khan and in my eyes would deserve a pop more than Khan. It's a good fight for Brook to take in his first defence and isn't wasting his energy name dropping other fighters he doesn't have a realistic chance of fighting unless they handpick to fight him.

Feel free to point out where I've not spoken in facts. boobie.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:04 pm

"Khan needs to shut his horrid little trap"............."You're not a big name, fight Brook and get knocked out!!"....."Guy is a total moron" "Let's dispense all your little ramblings to the bin with your glass jaw"..

I take it back you're very objective..... thumbsup

by hazharrison Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:05 pm

I rename 21.1.15 Truss-walloping day. Everyone's been smacking him about like he's Broner today!

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:06 pm

hazharrison wrote:I rename 21.1.15 Truss-walloping day. Everyone's been smacking him about like he's Broner today!

Like Leonard after Hagler...... thumbsup

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:14 pm

hazharrison wrote:I rename 21.1.15 Truss-walloping day. Everyone's been smacking him about like he's Broner today!

Bless him...It's like something little Rob would write when he was 10..

by hazharrison Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:15 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:I rename 21.1.15 Truss-walloping day. Everyone's been smacking him about like he's Broner today!

Like Leonard after Hagler......

Wah.......wha......whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:15 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:I rename 21.1.15 Truss-walloping day. Everyone's been smacking him about like he's Broner today!

Bless him...It's like something little Rob would write when he was 10..

by Coxy001 Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:18 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"Khan needs to shut his horrid little trap"............."You're not a big name, fight Brook and get knocked out!!"....."Guy is a total moron" "Let's dispense all your little ramblings to the bin with your glass jaw"..

I take it back you're very objective.....

He has a glass jaw - don't need to elaborate
He has a horrid little trap - who likes hearing him spout about FMJ "ducking" him?
Moron - Probably referencing his mouth. Should see where I gave him props for his recent donation/work in Pakistan at the horrid school masacre
Not a big name - did seriously average numbers against Devon and Sky dropped him off PPV.

by milkyboy Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:18 pm

Coxy001 wrote:To be fair Porter/Berto is dam sight better reading than Collazo/Alexander. Happen to think Berto is a decent choice if he can't get Khan.

Depends what spin you wish to put on it. Porter beat Alexander, khan beat him more convincingly.

Berto when unbeaten, squeaked past collazo. He's since lost three times to Ortiz, Guerrero and soto karrass. He's fought 1 nobody since.

He's got talent, but we haven't seen it for a while. There's a touch of the zab judah's about him... Can still look good for a few rounds and make life difficult, but if you're not beating him you're not going anywhere yourself.

Which is why it's good matchmaking. The name holds more weight than the fighter .

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:20 pm

Coxy001 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:"Khan needs to shut his horrid little trap"............."You're not a big name, fight Brook and get knocked out!!"....."Guy is a total moron" "Let's dispense all your little ramblings to the bin with your glass jaw"..

I take it back you're very objective.....

He has a glass jaw - don't need to elaborate
He has a horrid little trap - who likes hearing him spout about FMJ "ducking" him?
Moron - Probably referencing his mouth. Should see where I gave him props for his recent donation/work in Pakistan at the horrid school masacre
Not a big name - did seriously average numbers against Devon and Sky dropped him off PPV.

I said you were objective....Didn't I ??

by Coxy001 Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:22 pm

hazharrison wrote:I rename 21.1.15 Truss-walloping day. Everyone's been smacking him about like he's Broner today!

Not sure you can name a day, seems to happen most days (which is a pessimistic statement, it's probably nearer to every hour every day but I haven't got time to substantiate such a thing)

by hazharrison Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:23 pm

milkyboy wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:To be fair Porter/Berto is dam sight better reading than Collazo/Alexander. Happen to think Berto is a decent choice if he can't get Khan.
Depends what spin you wish to put on it. Porter beat Alexander, khan beat him more convincingly.

Berto when unbeaten, squeaked past collazo. He's since lost three times to Ortiz, Guerrero and soto karrass. He's fought 1 nobody since.

He's got talent, but we haven't seen it for a while. There's a touch of the zab judah's about him... Can still look good for a few rounds and make life difficult, but if you're not beating him you're not going anywhere yourself.

Which is why it's good matchmaking. The name holds more weight than the fighter .

Berto is a media creation - one of the biggest in the modern era. Doesn't sell tickets, doesn't do high TV viewing ratings yet is a millionaire.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:25 pm

Coxy001 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:I rename 21.1.15 Truss-walloping day. Everyone's been smacking him about like he's Broner today!

Not sure you can name a day, seems to happen most days (which is a pessimistic statement, it's probably nearer to every hour every day but I haven't got time to substantiate such a thing)

October 25th is a special day for me...............Use that !! thumbsup

by Coxy001 Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:03 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:I rename 21.1.15 Truss-walloping day. Everyone's been smacking him about like he's Broner today!

Not sure you can name a day, seems to happen most days (which is a pessimistic statement, it's probably nearer to every hour every day but I haven't got time to substantiate such a thing)

October 25th is a special day for me...............Use that !!

October 25th?

National greasy food day..... very apt fatty!

by milkyboy Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:32 pm

... It was the last time truss got laid. October 25th 2004... A Gigolo called Tyrone.

by BoxingFan88 Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:58 pm

Not bad a bad name, although Berto has looked poor in his last few fights.

If its non PPV I'll watch, if its PPV, no chance

by catchweight Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:33 pm

Its a pretty crap fight. Berto is an unranked challenger, has lost all his recent significant fights and is past his best (which wasnt all that good).

by theanimal316 Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:27 pm

It's not Berto,ring tv have confirmed Berto has signed to fight Josesito Lopez.

Who's next for Brook then? My guess is the ghost Guerrero. A top ten guy who has a name but should be comfortable for Kell.

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:34 pm

Guerrero is already booked to fight thurman

List of opponents is growing a bit thin for ol kell

by catchweight Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:39 pm

I dont think it will be a ranked opponent. Id guess a pretty low risk fight. Bundu or Malignaggi maybe.

by John Bloody Wayne Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:19 am

Collazo deserved the verdict vs Berto. IMO

by hazharrison Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:35 am

It's Jo Jo Dan - will be announced today.

by TopHat24/7 Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:08 am

Would've preferred Paulie.....

by **88Chris05** Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:28 am

Aware of Dan's name but haven't seen him fight. On paper it should be a very straightforward night for Brook which isn't going to entice any of the big-name Welters in to fighting him, but hey, mandatories (Dan is the IBF's top-ranked guy, isn't he?) need to be taken care of. Hopefully Brook can make another notable statement later this year against a more highly-regarded Welterweight provided he doesn't drop the ball here.

The Khan fight is probably up in smoke for 2015 though, unfortunately. Khan probably won't fight until April at the earliest and chances are Sky won't be putting Brook back in with anyone until June or July. The window for them to fight before Ramadan isn't that big when you consider that Khan in particular is a two fighters per year guy (Brook has been a little more hampered by injury). Can see it being one of those annoying scenarios where both of them keep announcing and having fights about six weeks apart from each other without ever quite falling in to place to get it on with each other.

Shame, because I'm looking forward to Coxy's reaction when Khan wins!

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