Paulie Malignaggi Straight Up Calls Pacquiao A Cheater

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This came out about a month ago but I never saw it. I know it's opening up a can of worms but I have to put it out there, Malignaggi is a guy I genuinely respect when it comes to opinions in boxing, I think most of the time, he's pretty much bang on the money, actually. His analysis on Showtime has been excellent as far as I'm concerned and he is a FAR bigger insider to the sport than we ever will be, being in the modern era of the game himself and working behind the scenes also.

I've never been quite sure of what to believe with Manny, but Malignaggi literally just lays everything out in this video here and rips into Manny and flat out says he was on PEDs and that he's a cheater and doesn't deserve the payday against Floyd due to him being a cheater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi3SYuffeHc


"I personally think that was why Manny was looking so strong at those times (Talking about random drug testing) Now with them doing more random drug testing, Manny still is a good fighter, but I don't see the same kind of explosiveness. Pacquiao fans want to believe that he's their hero and he's never cheated and has always done right, and a knight in shining armour... If you wanna be blinded and have your head so far up his ass you don't see reality of what was going on, that's fine. For the rest of us that have a clear head and are looking at it diplomatically you see sense. I mean, who the f**k grows that much after their 28th birthday!? Nobody grows that much!! The PED drug testing didn't just come out of Floyds ass, it was on a lot of people's minds on the inside in boxing at the time, nobody gets that much bigger after there 28th birthday, nobodies growing and filling out that much. Especially someone with Manny's genetics, genetically Manny's a very small guy, if you remove the blinders and look at it diplomatically you'll see that what Floyd was asking was pretty normal actually. You know, you've put on a lot of size, at a weird age and you've started becoming devastating whereas one time, during the second fight with Marquez there was talk of Manny being past his best, he's had a lot of tough fights in his career and he had been a lot of fun to watch at that time, and then all of a sudden he just began a new prime he put on all this mass, that doesn't just happen. Nobody will ever truly know because for one reason or another he was avoiding random drug testing, and what about the fact he used every excuse in the book to avoid it, doesn't that kind of raise suspicion too? Every stupid excuse in the book, you're scared of needles... You don't want the other guy calling the shots... Listen, you don't want the other guy calling the shots about what percentage of ticket sales you get, that's negotiation, drug testing should not be negotiable, what kind of negotiation is drug testing?? Drug testing should just be there and that's it! I think Floyd on points, I don't think it's a very competitive fight, I think the fight should happen for the fans, if Manny was cheating, and I believe he was and I'm entitled to my beliefs and I have my reasons for believing that, if he was cheating then he in NO WAY deserves the richest fight in boxing history a cheater should not be rewarded. In my mind he was cheating, in my mind."

Malignaggi isn't scared to say what he believes and I'm kinda siding with him really, like he says we'll never really know for sure unless some kind of Lance Armstrong stuff comes out, but I can't put it out of my mind that Manny was perhaps cheating. Isn't libel, pure opinions as we are entitled to, please no libel comments, keep the discussion fair and respect people's views.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Well he nearly killed Hatton with every punch he threw FFS !!!!!!

How many flyweights could do that....

Not in the mood....for wallies !!

At 21 Floyd was a 130 pound champion...............At 21 Manny was a Flyweight..

Was Manny a flyweight when he did it??

No.

Must be embarassing for a doyenne of boxing such as yourself to be so easily shown up by an apparent 'wally'.

Oh for heaven sake...

Steffan wrote:Might have to start calling Poochio 'Pedio' from now on

Be careful how you spell that

It's apparently so easy to move up 28 pounds 112 - 140..........

It's a shame Salvador Sanchez died as he may have fancied moving up to 154 and smacking out mike Mccallum.....

Or Benitez moving up to 175 and smacking out Michael Spinks....

Or Chavez banging out Hagler in 86.............

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Well he nearly killed Hatton with every punch he threw FFS !!!!!!

How many flyweights could do that....

Not in the mood....for wallies !!

At 21 Floyd was a 130 pound champion...............At 21 Manny was a Flyweight..

Wasn't Hatton's camp before that fight an absolute disaster? I'm sure Hatton admitted that. In that fight I simply think Hatton's lifestyle between fights finally caught up with him. Booze, coke and obesity led to his demise.

Well that's it then............

That's why he made the weight and got rocked by every punch..

I think he got rocked by every punch because he decided to launch himself face first in the direction of Manny's fists in order to maximize the impact.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:It's apparently so easy to move up 28 pounds 112 - 140..........

Floyd weighed around the same as a teen, difference being he got to go into America's nice Olympic programme, not turn pro in order to feed himself/his family. Similar start points and similar end points (similar weight and equally POOR ko record), just two different journies in between.

Well I guess manny at least tried to knock him out. Floyd who never tries to knock anyone out, still managed to knock Ricky out. 


Maybe, just maybe, the best managed fighter of his era in terms of timely opponent selection, got his backside handed to him, the only times he fought top opposition in their prime.


As super implied. Hatton was made for manny, whose troubles are with counter punchers. Styles and fights eh.


Doesn't mean manny's performances in that era don't arouse suspicion. The hatton fight in isolation doesn't.

Picks on Manny for nothing more than a rumour, but never says anything negative about a wife beater who is also alleged to have multi failed drugs tests that have been hushed up.

AlexHuckerby wrote: I mean, who the f**k grows that much after their 28th birthday!?

Well Evander Holifield, RJJ, Juan Manual Marquez, Linford Christie and Vince McMahon all spring to mind for a start...

Cheeky....

122 pounds to 150 = 28 pounds....

Looking forward to Rigo banging out Alvarez in a catchweight soon !!

Christ, some people still trotting out the factually incorrect "oh but his ring weight was the same blah blah blah" rollocks surrounding that's proof he's not a cheat by being able to move up the weights and take his power with him.

In most sports the big massive power players (or in rugby those who can make huge hits) are able to do almost super human things due to a stupid amount of core strength/having immense strength in the muscles required to deliver the desired result through strength to hold certain angles for longer/to maximise a certain body motion.

My example would be that it took me a while to build up the core strength when I got back in to rugby some 7 years back (don't play anymore now), albeit it a pretty average level. By the end of the season I was able, to a relatively average degree, to put some hits in/not get smashed - my body weight was exactly the same but I'd just got stronger in terms of core strength.

EPO and co all allow athletes to train for longer, have better anaerobic fitness levels, stronger core strength and so forth. It isn't just about "getting bigger".

And lets all give this 5 minutes before Truss "I've taken steroids" Man comes on and preaches a load of nonsense.

Nice diatribe coxy. 

The article is based on malignaggi's comments: 
" I mean, who the f**k grows that much after their 28th birthday!? Nobody grows that much!!"


Had he said. "Who improves their core body strength at 28" we might have listed some other examples.

Who improves their core body strength at 28

should have "in such a short period of time" at the end.

For me what he did was akin to Jonny Wilkinson (hero) starting a new season and then flattening prop row forwards.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:122 pounds to 150 = 28 pounds....

Looking forward to Rigo banging out Alvarez in a catchweight soon !!

Soon, as in the best part of 15 years??

Also, when has Manny weighed 150 lbs?

He's only ever fought 'at that weight' once, and even then weighed in only 144 lbs.

Floyd on the other hand......

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:122 pounds to 150 = 28 pounds....

Looking forward to Rigo banging out Alvarez in a catchweight soon !!

Soon, as in the best part of 15 years??

Also, when has Manny weighed 150 lbs?

He's only ever fought 'at that weight' once, and even then weighed in only 144 lbs.

Floyd on the other hand......

Pacquiao weighed in at 148lbs...

Took him 8 rounds to win the flyweight title...........Wow with the sort of bone crushing power it takes to see natural 140 pounders like Hatton nearly killed.........You'd think he'd be like Ivan Drago at 112........

Certainly a modern day phenomenon is our Filipino friend....

Has he brought an action against paulie yet ?? Didn't think so..

Coxy001 wrote:Christ, some people still trotting out the factually incorrect "oh but his ring weight was the same blah blah blah" rollocks surrounding that's proof he's not a cheat by being able to move up the weights and take his power with him.

In most sports the big massive power players (or in rugby those who can make huge hits) are able to do almost super human things due to a stupid amount of core strength/having immense strength in the muscles required to deliver the desired result through strength to hold certain angles for longer/to maximise a certain body motion.

My example would be that it took me a while to build up the core strength when I got back in to rugby some 7 years back (don't play anymore now), albeit it a pretty average level. By the end of the season I was able, to a relatively average degree, to put some hits in/not get smashed - my body weight was exactly the same but I'd just got stronger in terms of core strength.

EPO and co all allow athletes to train for longer, have better anaerobic fitness levels, stronger core strength and so forth. It isn't just about "getting bigger".

And lets all give this 5 minutes before Truss "I've taken steroids" Man comes on and preaches a load of nonsense.

Do you have trouble reading and comprehending? Not claiming he's not a cheat i'm saying that his size increase shouldn't be taken as evidence that he is one. He may well be using drugs but his dramatic size increase isn't dramatic at all once you look past the surface

Coxy001 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:122 pounds to 150 = 28 pounds....

Looking forward to Rigo banging out Alvarez in a catchweight soon !!

Soon, as in the best part of 15 years??

Also, when has Manny weighed 150 lbs?

He's only ever fought 'at that weight' once, and even then weighed in only 144 lbs.

Floyd on the other hand......

Pacquiao weighed in at 148lbs...

Never said Manny had weighed 150.............

112 -140 = 28.............

122 - 150 Referred to Rigo - Alvarez...........Muppet.

148 ?? 36 pounds !!..................Let's have Duran beating up Michael Spinks at 171 catchweight !! and Azumah Nelson trashing Marvin Hagler....

Coxy001 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:122 pounds to 150 = 28 pounds....

Looking forward to Rigo banging out Alvarez in a catchweight soon !!

Soon, as in the best part of 15 years??

Also, when has Manny weighed 150 lbs?

He's only ever fought 'at that weight' once, and even then weighed in only 144 lbs.

Floyd on the other hand......

Pacquiao weighed in at 148lbs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Antonio_Margarito
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/manny-pacquiao-antonio-margarito-juggle-weight-prepare-pay-per-view-bout-cowboys-stadium-article-1.456183
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/11/pacquiao-vs-margarito-pacquiao-weighs-in-at-1446-pounds.html

Ergo, wrong.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Took him 8 rounds to win the flyweight title...........Wow with the sort of bone crushing power it takes to see natural 140 pounders like Hatton nearly killed.........You'd think he'd be like Ivan Drago at 112........

Certainly a modern day phenomenon is our Filipino friend....

Has he brought an action against paulie yet ?? Didn't think so..

Why hasn't Froch knocked out everyone he's ever fought like he did GG?? Stupid bloody point if ever I heard one. Sometimes you find the peach of a punch, sometimes you don't. No like Hatton was a 140lb Oliver McCall.

And re action, can you remember who he HAS brought action against? And can you remember how that turned out...........??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:122 pounds to 150 = 28 pounds....

Looking forward to Rigo banging out Alvarez in a catchweight soon !!

Soon, as in the best part of 15 years??

Also, when has Manny weighed 150 lbs?

He's only ever fought 'at that weight' once, and even then weighed in only 144 lbs.

Floyd on the other hand......

Pacquiao weighed in at 148lbs...

Never said Manny had weighed 150.............

112 -140 = 28.............

122 - 150  Referred to Rigo - Alvarez...........Muppet.

148 ?? 36 pounds !!..................Let's have Duran beating up Michael Spinks at 171 catchweight !! and Azumah Nelson trashing Marvin Hagler....

So you're now using crap maths and general delirium to excuse being made to look a plonker??

How else was anyone meant to decipher:

"122 pounds to 150 = 28 pounds...."

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Coxy001 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:122 pounds to 150 = 28 pounds....

Looking forward to Rigo banging out Alvarez in a catchweight soon !!

Soon, as in the best part of 15 years??

Also, when has Manny weighed 150 lbs?

He's only ever fought 'at that weight' once, and even then weighed in only 144 lbs.

Floyd on the other hand......

Pacquiao weighed in at 148lbs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Antonio_Margarito
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/manny-pacquiao-antonio-margarito-juggle-weight-prepare-pay-per-view-bout-cowboys-stadium-article-1.456183
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/11/pacquiao-vs-margarito-pacquiao-weighs-in-at-1446-pounds.html

Ergo, wrong.

Got his ring weight mixed up with weigh in weight.

I think most top fighters use peds. It might be steroids or HGH or perhaps maybe illegal fat burners.

Pacquiao was really devastating from 08-10. Look what he did to Diaz, Hatton and Cotto.

Before all the Floyd haters abuse me, I also will say, look how his body has changed everytime he had a long layoff. Anyway not accusing anybody for sure but there are plenty of signs for both men Possibly being naughty.

Hattons chin was nothing to write home about. Any welterweight that gets knocked out by Mayweather and his pillow gloves doesnt have much of a chin. Plus he was getted wobbled by Collazo and Lazcano.

The most pronounced feature of Floyd in the last 5 or 6 years has been how large his head has grown. Look at the pea ball head on him in the last decade.

Then there's those drug tests he didn't want coming out in court.

Mannys head has grown as well

That's it - the oxing forum has finally hit rock bottom.  Commenting on respective had sizes.  Christ all fu*king mighty.

Strongback wrote:The most pronounced feature of Floyd in the last 5 or 6 years has been how large his head has grown.  Look at the pea ball head on him in the last decade.

Then there's those drug tests he didn't want coming out in court.

Over the last 25 years not that I'm proud of it..... I've taken Sustanon, Dianabol, Deca, Primo, Test Cyp, Test Enth, Test 300..........and my head hasn't gotten any bigger........

Only thing that can make your head bigger is HGH.........and there is no value in Floyd taking that stuff............No value at all !!!!!

Then again Strongy doesn't have Floyd Top 50 so we know where he is coming from...

superflyweight wrote:That's it - the oxing forum has finally hit rock bottom.  Commenting on respective had sizes.  Christ all fu*king mighty.

Some sort of surreal c0ck measuring contest, Trussy and D4 line up for the stare down, eyes fierce focused on one another referee watching both for any sign of it boiling over then suddenly They simultaneously undo the drawstring out of their shorts and the shorts drop and out of their groins grow Mayweathers and Pacquaio's heads respectively.

ShahenshahG wrote:

superflyweight wrote:That's it - the oxing forum has finally hit rock bottom.  Commenting on respective had sizes.  Christ all fu*king mighty.

Some sort of surreal c0ck measuring contest, Trussy and D4 line up for the stare down, eyes fierce focused on one another referee watching both for any sign of it boiling over then suddenly They simultaneously undo the drawstring out of their shorts and the shorts drop and out of their groins grow Mayweathers and Pacquaio's heads respectively.

I'm objective about Mayweather......I have doubts about him also.....Always said gear is rampant...

But this head size crap is bollox..no way would anybody under Heavyweight use that !!

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

milkyboy wrote:morales 3 in nov 2006, just before manny turned 28. Fight at 135, ringweight 144.

Cotto nov 2009, just before manny turned 31. Fight at 147, ringweight 149.

5 lbs in 3 years, during the period paulie is claiming he bulked up suspiciously.

Floyd didn't move up from super feather til he was 25 and stayed at lightweight for a couple of years before bulking into a welterweight. He only likes to fight in one town. Is that suspicious? Marquez turns up for pacquaio 4 looking like arnie with acne. Is that suspicious?

These things aren't worth mentioning apparently for paulie.

Hey I've no idea who's juicing. Given the nature of the sport, the gains for success, the costs of a defeat, the pitiful testing... the pressure on guys to dope (especially if they think others are) must be huge. Personally, I'd be surprised if it wasn't rife. 

Whichever, it Doesn't seem like a particularly balanced statement from paulie. I guess he comes from a moral high ground. We know he wasn't on peds... Well if he was I hope he got a refund.

WRONG

COMPLETELY WRONG

Floyd fights in Vagas because.....................thats where the MONEY is nothing suspect happening there

Marquez passed ALL drug tests before and after fight with Pacman and uses a urine based diet that helps to build protien in the muscles

Paulie is brave to speak out about Manny and this is precisely why the fight with Floyd never happened when it should have because quite frankly Manny is a little dodgy. Lets not forget that before finding GOD recently Manny was a degenerate gambler with a drinking problem who used to frequent nightclubs a lot.

It is a myth that he rejected drug testing, he did not. Floyd wanted control of it with people he brought in and wanted it to be random up to fight night. Manny argued that they should do it with accordance to the regulations of the boxing board. How is that rejecting drug testing? He also then excepted Floyds offer but asked for the random tests to stop two weeks before fight as giving blood effected his training, and then to do blood and urine tests after the fight. What could he have taken in those two weeks that would have given him an advantage and would not have been picked up in the after fight tests?

Its cowpat. Floyds super ducking PR machine. Why are the drug tests no longer an issue in more recent negotiations?

tunes666 wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

milkyboy wrote:morales 3 in nov 2006, just before manny turned 28. Fight at 135, ringweight 144.

Cotto nov 2009, just before manny turned 31. Fight at 147, ringweight 149.

5 lbs in 3 years, during the period paulie is claiming he bulked up suspiciously.

Floyd didn't move up from super feather til he was 25 and stayed at lightweight for a couple of years before bulking into a welterweight. He only likes to fight in one town. Is that suspicious? Marquez turns up for pacquaio 4 looking like arnie with acne. Is that suspicious?

These things aren't worth mentioning apparently for paulie.

Hey I've no idea who's juicing. Given the nature of the sport, the gains for success, the costs of a defeat, the pitiful testing... the pressure on guys to dope (especially if they think others are) must be huge. Personally, I'd be surprised if it wasn't rife. 

Whichever, it Doesn't seem like a particularly balanced statement from paulie. I guess he comes from a moral high ground. We know he wasn't on peds... Well if he was I hope he got a refund.

WRONG

COMPLETELY WRONG

Floyd fights in Vagas because.....................thats where the MONEY is nothing suspect happening there

Marquez passed ALL drug tests before and after fight with Pacman and uses a urine based diet that helps to build protien in the muscles

Paulie is brave to speak out about Manny and this is precisely why the fight with Floyd never happened when it should have because quite frankly Manny is a little dodgy. Lets not forget that before finding GOD recently Manny was a degenerate gambler with a drinking problem who used to frequent nightclubs a lot.

It is a myth that he rejected drug testing, he did not. Floyd wanted control of it with people he brought in and wanted it to be random up to fight night. Manny argued that they should do it with accordance to the regulations of the boxing board. How is that rejecting drug testing?  He also then excepted Floyds offer but asked for the random tests to stop two weeks before fight as giving blood effected his training, and then to do blood and urine tests after the fight.  What could he have taken in those two weeks that would have given him an advantage and would not have been picked up in the after fight tests?

Its cowpat. Floyds super ducking PR machine. Why are the drug tests no longer an issue in more recent negotiations?

I know all about steroids...These wallies think you pop a pill and become Popeye..............Steroids are taken in the OFF season to be useful......They add muscle and weight...........Not good when you're cutting.........Though substances like Deca, Winstrol and primo could help make you leaner.....They would still add water weight..

Why bother with drugs. I always found the best way to increase head size was to put my John Thomas into a vacuum pump.

milkyboy wrote:Why bother with drugs. I always found the best way to increase head size was to put my John Thomas into a vacuum pump.

Is he a relative ??

superflyweight wrote:That's it - the oxing forum has finally hit rock bottom.  Commenting on respective had sizes.  Christ all fu*king mighty.

I am not sure how this compares with anyone else's research, but if offer it up in the hope of moving these scholastic endeavours forward, but I found a wooly hat I used to wear a about six years ago when I worked early mornings. I was going to wear it to watch the football at the weekend, but when I tried it on it was a bit tight, a phenomena I cannot remember from my previous usage of it.

I have not taken any PED's in the intervening period.

Sorry Tunes but the whole two weeks excuse because it affects his training is a load of garbage, the majority of high profile athletes and cyclists get tested on the day of competition. Also rejecting USADA testing is rejecting testing but the reasons for the request in the first place are up for debate. Ask Floyd Landis what you can take that undetectable within 24 hours.

Will also point out again that Jimmy Mclarnin started out at flyweight and then decimated the usually durable Young Corbett III in one round. Worth pointing out that Mclarnin couldn't stop Pancho Villa when he was literally a walking dead man and that he had 30% knockout rate.

With regards to Mayweather moving up the weights, instead of focusing on weight you'd be served considering his freakish dimensions for a former 130lber. The only champion at the weight with a longer reach was Oscar De La Hoya so his frame allows him to move up through the weights.

Again Pacquiao had the frame to pile on the pounds and comparisons to Chitalada for that reason aren't relevant, he was also a young man draining himself down which Sot wasn't, comfortably making weight into his late 20's.

What Middleweight aside from Bob Fitzsimmons could knock out Cruiserweights and Heavyweights, Golovkin for instance wouldn't make a dent in Marco Huck or David Haye.

Rowley wrote:

superflyweight wrote:That's it - the oxing forum has finally hit rock bottom.  Commenting on respective had sizes.  Christ all fu*king mighty.

I am not sure how this compares with anyone else's research, but if offer it up in the hope of moving these scholastic endeavours forward, but I found a wooly hat I used to wear a about six years ago when I worked early mornings. I was going to wear it to watch the football at the weekend, but when I tried it on it was a bit tight, a phenomena I cannot remember from my previous usage of it.

I have not taken any PED's in the intervening period.  

Never boil wash a beanie, rowley

Really do hope TSMR has not done anything like that Milky, think with the work of my fellow scholars on here we are on the cusp of getting this issue nailed down once and for all. I would hate to think my own contribution to this breakthrough lacked the empiricism and academic rigour of what has gone before it on the thread.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Sorry Tunes but the whole two weeks excuse because it affects his training is a load of garbage,  the majority of high profile athletes and cyclists get tested on the day of competition. Also rejecting USADA testing is rejecting testing but the reasons for the request in the first place are up for debate. Ask Floyd Landis what you can take that undetectable within 24 hours.

Will also point out again that Jimmy Mclarnin started out at flyweight and then decimated the usually durable Young Corbett III in one round. Worth pointing out that Mclarnin couldn't stop Pancho Villa when he was literally a walking dead man and that he had 30% knockout rate.

With regards to Mayweather moving up the weights, instead of focusing on weight you'd be served considering his freakish dimensions for a former 130lber. The only champion at the weight with a longer reach was Oscar De La Hoya so his frame allows him to move up through the weights.

Again Pacquiao had the frame to pile on the pounds and comparisons to Chitalada for that reason aren't relevant, he was also a young man draining himself down which Sot wasn't, comfortably making weight into his late 20's.

What Middleweight aside from Bob Fitzsimmons could knock out Cruiserweights and Heavyweights, Golovkin for instance wouldn't make a dent in Marco Huck or David Haye.

Manny was a flyweight at 21..............Duran was a lightweight at 21.............

Fully grown men..............No way should he be rocking Hatton with every punch at 140 and yet Flyweights could take his punch !!

It's just complete bollox..........

Was Mclarnin 21 when he fought at Flyweight ?????????????????????????????????????????????

I bet he wasn't !!!

Oh look he fought for the Lightweight title at 21 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jog on................

Sorry rowley. I'll retract the accusation.

Due to the sagging of ageing cartilage, ears and noses give the appearance of continuing to grow throughout adult life. Consequently both face-on and in profile, with protuberances appearing to grow, heads will appear larger...

...And rowley's hat a Little tighter due to his enlargened lug holes.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

superflyweight wrote:That's it - the oxing forum has finally hit rock bottom.  Commenting on respective had sizes.  Christ all fu*king mighty.

Some sort of surreal c0ck measuring contest, Trussy and D4 line up for the stare down, eyes fierce focused on one another referee watching both for any sign of it boiling over then suddenly They simultaneously undo the drawstring out of their shorts and the shorts drop and out of their groins grow Mayweathers and Pacquaio's heads respectively.

I'm objective about Mayweather......I have doubts about him also.....Always said gear is rampant...

But this head size crap is bollox..no way would anybody under Heavyweight use that !!

Maybe you need to go back and retake PED's 101

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When your head gets bigger.....Does the brain stay the same size ??.........

Means you could have days where you feel like you've got a roulette table in your head !!

superflyweight wrote:That's it - the oxing forum has finally hit rock bottom.  Commenting on respective had sizes.  Christ all fu*king mighty.

You seem out of your depth in this conversation.

Using the old Boxrec you'd also notice that within four years of beating LaBarba at flyweight he was beating Mandell at lightweight, seems like quite a meteoric rise through the weights to me.

LaBarba at flyweight to Ross at Welterweight is quite staggering and I would wager he's the only boxer in history who could have achieved such great wins. We're not talking about going from Sasakul to Cotto, we're talking about beating genuinely great boxers at a 32lb difference.

You can hold a narrow minded view based on age but Mclarnin was able to do far outstrips what Pacquiao has done, he beat genuine world champions of 7 different weight divisions. With a four belt, 18 division system, it's feasible he'd have been a world champion in 9 or 10 divisions.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Using the old Boxrec you'd also notice that within four years of beating LaBarba at flyweight he was beating Mandell at lightweight, seems like quite a meteoric rise through the weights to me.

LaBarba at flyweight to Ross at Welterweight is quite staggering and I would wager he's the only boxer in history who could have achieved such great wins. We're not talking about going from Sasakul to Cotto, we're talking about beating genuinely great boxers at a 32lb difference.

You can hold a narrow minded view based on age but Mclarnin was able to do far outstrips what Pacquiao has done, he beat genuine world champions of 7 different weight divisions. With a four belt, 18 division system, it's feasible he'd have been a world champion in 9 or 10 divisions.

There is also the factor that he is a very good fighter. Not sure why that seems to be ignored...

Hgh doesn't lead to improved performances though. It creates an anabolic atmosphere for muscle to grow, yes, but without the adequate range and length all that really happens is hypertrophy. It certainly has no influence on joint strength and joint stability, if anything anecdotal evidence shows it weakens it, by making the muscles grow faster than the joint can function with in a stable manner. Hence so many wrestlers from the 90s having so many muscle tears of two joint muscles

According to numerous reports it is looking like Cotto Vs Mayweather for May 2nd. F.....g joke.

Sorry to put this here but there are enough threads about the 2.